The title of this recording is "Participants (part 2) - Shift hui (2016)". It is described as: Rowan Moulder talks to participants at Shift hui 2016. It was recorded in Tapu te Ranga Marae, 46C Rhine Street, Island Bay, Wellington on the 24th April 2016. Elizabeth Kerekere is being interviewed by Rowan Moulder.  Their names are spelt correctly but may appear incorrectly spelt later in the document. The duration of the recording is 26 minutes. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Rowan Moulder talks to participants at Shift hui 2016. More participant interviews can be heard in part one. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: The recording titled "Participants (part 2) - Shift hui (2016)" captures a series of interviews conducted by Rowan Moulder with participants at the Shift hui held at Tapu te Ranga Marae in Wellington. During this 26-minute segment, attendees reflect on their experiences at the event, including the reasons that led them to participate. For many, the desire to connect with like-minded individuals and the opportunity to be a part of a community where they could freely express their queer identities were significant motivators. The participants come from different areas of New Zealand, including Nelson, New Plymouth, and Taranaki. They express a range of emotions and experiences at the hui, from enjoying the food and hating the bus trip, to joining workshops and appreciating the sense of companionship and understanding among peers. The workshops mentioned by attendees are diverse and include practical skills like changing a tire, as well as discussions and learning sessions on transgender issues, Maori culture, and New Zealand Sign Language - an indication of the hui’s wide-ranging and inclusive approach to programming. Elizabeth Kerekere, the chair of the trust which plays a critical role in ensuring that Maori Protocol is correctly used in rainbow events across New Zealand, speaks about their involvement in the event. They mention facilitating two workshops and participating in another, all aimed at promoting inclusivity and contributing to a national rainbow strategy. One key point raised is the importance of including youth voices across the spectrum, particularly those who may not frequently be heard in other forums. The goal is to capture the full range of interests and concerns of these young individuals. Further discussed is the concept of creating a safe and inclusive environment for all attendees. The organizing team took measures to ensure that qualified personnel were available to support participants experiencing discomfort or trauma. Kerekere emphasizes resilience and the cultivation of skills that enable individuals to thrive even in uncomfortable situations. They also stress the need for diversity among the organizing team, especially representation from Maori and Pacific Islander communities to truly reflect an inclusive event. As the recording concludes, Kerekere reflects on personal favorite moments from the hui, including spontaneous conversations with attendees that occurred after workshops. They express pride in the youth leadership and the importance of intergenerational learning within their community. Kerekere points toward the future, advocating for the development of stronger relationships with Maori and Pacific Island groups and suggesting the hui may require larger venues to accommodate the growing interest. The full transcription of the recording begins:  Now we'll start with you. Ashley. What brings you here to the chef TUI today? Um, experience. Friendship, maybe. Love? No. Um, it was my friend had, um, told me about it a couple of days before registration had closed, and I I've never met anybody like myself. And it was I just thought that it would be really, really, really, really cool to meet people like me and, like, wake up and have, like, people and just be like, Hey, all right. And what about you? What brings you here to shit? Um, in the beginning, it was about it was just to be with the group, which I'm here with. But then I was just like, Oh, I'm here with a bunch of queer people. I love it. Yeah, that's great. And you do same as came with U from Nelson. And yeah, I really want to come because I'm really gay. Yeah, me too. Same. All right, So you've come from Nelson. Where have you two come from? I'm from New Plymouth and Taranaki. You're Nelson as well. Ok, that's great. Now, what's been your favourite part of the shift so far? Um, I, I like the food. Um, and I like I love hanging out with everybody and hated the bus trip. Um, but I'm gonna love spotlight, which is tonight, and I like snuggling with my best friend. To be honest, the food is amazing, but the workshops are good too. I just changed a tyre, which I've never done before, but it's good. And, um, there was a trans workshop thing listening to people. And that was good. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, have either of you had a favourite workshop? So far, I haven't actually gone to any of the workshops I was supposed to, but my friends kept distracting me, and then I as soon as, like with the trans hour, they had to They go Wait, Did they go all the way around? No. Oh, I thought that they were because I didn't want to explain my story. Oh, well, I ended up going down with my friends, and we played handshake game. That's cool. Is there any workshop that you're looking forward to that you're going to go to? Um, probably the dress up. I don't know, but there's how I don't I'm not even sure what workshops are Tomorrow. Do you have a favourite workshop. One that you've had so far? Um, no. Is there any that you're looking forward to? Yes, Um, the down time? Um no. The, um there's a thing tomorrow for, um, introduction to New Zealand. Sign language. And and I'm I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, that one sounds super interesting. And Jake, you mentioned changing a tyre before. Is that your favourite? That was really good. Yeah. Um, intro to New Zealand. Sign language and morals. Maori. Sounds good. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds super interesting. So just to wrap it up here, um how have you guys enjoyed the organisation of the today? Good. Yeah, like the planets and stuff you guys find that really good. Well, I'm I'm an Uranus, which is my favourite. And we made the greatest mascot that we could. It was so amazing. What was the mascot do I want to ask? It was a but with a rainbow coming out the butt. Astronauts and rocket. That's the appropriate we had. What we we we made what we could. The planet theme is quite cute. And things our mascot was better. By the way, what was your mascot? Our mascot was sat in with actual rings on it and it said with one ring we had we had Uranus. It was just on the flag that was on the boat. Anyway, um, so the badges we have don't have the rings or the ring of satin on it. So we wrote don't on it because they don't have the ring. Now it makes sense. And don't is our mascot nice. And, um yeah, but it was Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So we'll just wrap that up here. Is there anything else that you would like to say before I stop recording? Everybody better come back next year. Alright? And I am here tonight with your name, please, Elizabeth. Alright. Elizabeth, could you please tell me a bit about your role here at the partly? It's, um as a chair of trust, uh was which is set up for and we play a role in this country around supporting and making sure that Maori Maori Protocol is used correctly, uh, around in rainbow events and activities. And so the first part was coming here to support the as we came on to the marae and then through the I've been ran uh, run two workshops and taken part in another. Uh, and they're the kind of the main areas that I work in. So one was around, and so that's explaining what that is. And then looking at how kind of, from a treaty point of view, what things to take into account when groups are wanting to make their their groups their events more inclusive of. And so that was the first one. The second one is as, uh, head of I'm leading the development of a national rainbow strategy, and that's about coordinating our effort across the country. But being really specific about what are the key issues for different parts of our community. So I've been talking and planning and thinking about this for about a year. This was the first formal workshop, because what I want, uh, to make sure is that our young people are involved and laying the foundation for how this will move forward. And as I said with the I don't believe in having a youth voice. I believe in having multiple youth voices, uh, and particularly to make sure that we hear the voice of those young people who do not get heard in so many other environments and situations. And so we had an amazing workshop and it was really vibrant and brought out a whole lot of different information. And we just discovered, What is the magic in the room? What are the things that our young people are interested in? Because, of course, they're not just interested in stuff to do with young people. We are all really complex people. We have different identities, different skills and talents, and they're engaged with so many different things. And in terms of the strategy, then there's many, many areas I'm not interested in, confining our young people to young things or things are impacting on the youth community. And of course, they're all a range of identities where homophobia, biphobia and transphobia affects them. Uh, and that's something they share with their routers with other people from and and across other cultures. So that was the second one. The third one. we work with members of inside out, uh, around a relationship workshop. What does a healthy relationship look like? And so they ran the workshop for the first part of that and then handed it to me and my partner a lot to talk about how how we make a healthy relationship work. And as part of the earlier project with Rainbow Youth and the You Meet US Resource on healthy relationships, I provided what Elizabeth S top relationship tips. And so we kind of went through those and how that plays out A in our relationship itself, but also how that plays out, uh, when for other people and that it's relationships. It's partly the intimate relationships that we have with the people we share our lives, our bodies with, uh, but also the people in our community, the people we're in groups with the nature. What I was trying to do is get to the core of of relationships. Uh, because what we do well, in our home, we do well out in the world. Yeah, so that's what I've been doing. And I guess just being around, uh, for people to come up, ask questions, get advice. I'm learning a lot. Um, So I was wondering if you could maybe please talk a bit about, um, what the has done or what you have done in your role at the to help it be a more safe and inclusive space for everybody. So the organisers have made sure that there are people who are qualified and trained to deal with, uh, young people who may be experiencing trauma or, uh are feeling unsafe or uncomfortable. Uh, so there's kind of and and having elders around that have those kind of skills. Uh, so there's that layer of safety and and different mechanisms that exist in the way that workshops are run and starting to teach young people, um, how they can look for help in those situations. I think in terms of safety, I think it's really important. And I think it's something that could be worked on. More is about building resilience to say, How do we in this? Make sure that we strengthen ourselves So when we're uncomfortable, Um, how we can find words, what needs to be said and and then being able to, And even if something is so uncomfortable or triggering that you need to take some time out, then those kind of techniques that we've all had to learn, uh, to be able to make ourselves feel better, feel safer and stronger, to be able to come back and keep taking part in terms of being inclusive. I think that there's a huge range of identities at the in terms of sexuality and gender and it's predominantly school age kids. Uh, from my point of view, from a treaty point of view and a what I always recommend, uh, to organisations. If you want to have Maori Pacific Islanders represented your events, you need Maori and Pacific Islanders on your organising group, that is, that is a given and so. But however, it's not always easy to find those people. So I always recommend that if you can't get the people and also with those skills and networks, it's not like every Maori knows every other Maori. And so you know you can't put those pressure on everyone just because they to that particular culture. That's not not cool, either. Um, and then you develop relationships with people who have those networks, and it's really good. If that can be developed over time. It's never good to come to people just before and go. Hey, by the way, send us some brown people. No, it's never gonna work, but you know, so it's that thing. And again, the advocating of developing relationships because I think that this is, um is very inclusive. Uh, but there's still more people, and there's always gonna be more people. So for the next year and moving forward, then what are the kind of relationships that can be built up over time? Um, and even with some of the groups who are here, uh, who have come as participants, there could be a place for them taking up more of a leadership role. Uh, so that that the work also and the burden is shared. Alright, so we're almost at the end of the weekend. Would you like to talk about your favourite part? So far, my favourite part of the weekend has been after different workshops when young people have come up and just started talking and asking questions. So either they've been in a workshop I was in or we happen to sit down beside each other and we just start chatting. And so that's the thing I really valued. Uh, and also I have only really beginning to learn about, um, AEX and a romantic identity. So that's something that in then we encompass all the different, uh, sexualities genders and sexes. that our people encompass and embody, uh, so coming into a more predominantly space, uh, and community where that terminology and the languaging is really important and operates a little under the radar. Uh, it's really important for me when I'm representing and being involved in Rainbow Communities that I understand it from that point of view, and I make sure that my language gene is correct. And so I've really appreciated that when people are at who who identify in that way, and that is the nature of it when you're the the few that are at something and you have to keep on, uh, representing it until the rest of us pick up and we can start to speak to it as well and be the allies that are needed. You know, I'm a CGE uh, lesbian fe. And so my primary identity is, uh, but I know that I present in a certain way I'm in a monogamous, long term relationship with another lesbian. Uh, so there are relationship forms that I'm I'm not involved in, and so but my role and when I see many of us who are allies in this community or members of the community. Full stop. Uh, we need to make sure our languaging is up to date. We need to make sure we represent and speak to all of the different communities and all the different identities who are here. That's fantastic. Uh, just to wrap up the interview here, uh, is there anything you'd like to see? Uh, change or be added to shift in the future? I would like to see perhaps if it's inside out, building some strong relationships with other Maori, Pacific island, uh, groups and to increase their representation in the leadership and which, of course, I'll be talking to them about and helping them do because I'm not into just telling people something and leaving them do it. I also think we probably need a bigger venue. I think there's a lot of young people who want who want to come into this space. And, yeah, we just might need some biggest bigger spaces, and it would be good for everyone to be sleeping closer together. Uh, yeah, I think it's It will just keep going from strength to strength. We're getting more and more diversity groups out in the country. And as our young people are becoming more confident and stronger, and our schools are finally getting on board and increasingly getting on board. Then those the people wanting to engage in this conversation and having the space to be together, uh will increase because we know for some of them. So with the safest space when we talk, we started at the beginning about making this a safe and inclusive space that for many, this will be the first time they've been around so many people with this diversity and, uh, which makes it a life changing experience for them. And I think you can't give that to enough people. And so I'm sure that it will continue to go from strength to strength with a like this. What is awesome and amazing to see is the strength of our youth leadership that the range of skills of talents and wisdom this is an opportunity that we can see that at work. I come, of course, from a Maori point of view, where with, uh, that it is intergenerational, that our young people work with our elders and with my generation, even though I get called an elder, uh uh that that then they have the opportunity to also learn from They're not operating in a vacuum, that they get the opportunity to learn from and be supportive of, those of us who are older and who have done what they have done and have to tell the dale, uh, and survive the things, the issues that we went through to get to where we are and because some of them are the same and some of them are dramatically different. Our young people are growing up in a completely different world. And so that's something that I will always, uh, advocate for. Is that that intergenerational things that young we've got 13 and 14 year olds at this, uh so I always want to be able to support and be there for our youth leaders because I see I organise 09 and so many of the ones who are doing playing leadership roles in our communities at the were young people at that, and it's amazing for me to see that. And so I am just really proud. I'm very proud of our young people. So this piece that I'm gonna freelance this, so I'm gonna make this stuff on the floor. By the way, I am feeling about being here. So being a performing artist, you know, we look at things in a whole another perspective. And this is how I'm feeling now. At the moment, um, about everyone myself. Yeah, just about the whole in general. Ok? Do you like the number one or seven? This is the actual question seven. OK, seven colours make the rainbow. Being in the LGBT Q community, Rainbow has a big impact effect. So seven colours make the rainbow seven letters makes us friends. Seven wonders make the world seven days make a week a week, week by side looks and nudges from numerous judges. They look at me with a certain assumption reciting Who am I Who am I? I am the queen. Why am I the queen? Because I have such high self esteem. I'm making my mark on the world by a new revolution of gender. Trans What is chance? What is chance? What is chance I'm asking you is, um I kind of consider it to be anything that is outside of that cisgender box that we get given at birth. Let it sink into you like it has sunk into me, draining the confidence of the human that remained your eyes Seek intention. But I seek intention. Five. I was categorised to be oversized, which was never to forget. I hope you regret for this neglect three. I am free. You don't know who to refer me to. And one shifting count your blessings. That's just me freelancing and how I'm feeling at the moment. Being brought into this place and not knowing anybody besides the people you come with trying to get to know other people is a feeling that is indescribable. Um, I've enjoyed being myself being free. No, I wanna be. But I'm free here. I feel like there is no pass of judgement. Sometimes I just feel free, free being around people. That is similar to me for the fact that we are all equal and we are the same that there is no hierarchy. That makes me free. I've kind of laid behind the scenes a lot and watched how you and your team run it. You have taken to my eye quite a lot because you've you've stood out a lot. I see the I see the things you do for your group. I see the things you do behind the scenes. You know, when we're not in group chickens, et cetera. And I think you're amazing. Thank you. Sorry. First and foremost, I have to clarify that. And I think that you're so, um, you interact with each and every one of these Children. You make an effort to go to all these workshops, which goes to show that you're an amazing leader. How can how can somebody like me aspire to be somebody like you? Um, I don't know. I think one of the things that has, uh, this is my first time at shift and as a as a, um I've gone through something that has had, like, a similar emotional outcome for me, um, at my old university, because I've actually, um I'm Wellington by way of Seattle by way of Auckland. Um, yeah, yeah, my mum's my mum's the American half. And so, you know, I was born. I lived here for a bit, and then I moved to the States, and now I'm back. And, um, at my university in the States, we had this process called The Queer Experience. Where we, um we were just trying to like, um, we all wrote memoirs about our our experiences in our lives. And we spent a whole like month and a half process of, like, meeting every week and, um, unpacking our experiences with each other. And, um, it was just the most validating experience. And, uh, just felt really well held and that, and we just cultivated a space where we could be vulnerable with each other. And, um, it was really, really life changing experience for me and this and is the closest that I've ever come to experiencing that again. Um, and, uh, so that's the first part of it. Um, like, So I've just those ideas about, like, being just holding each other and like, like, fostering community, Um, and like, actively working on that, like, you know, um, in spite of, like, interpersonal differences because, um, you know that that totally happens. You know, we don't always get along with everybody. And, um, you know, despite that, like, I don't know, I guess I kind of believe that when we're at a when we're in this kind of community space and we're this, like, packed together, we have to work to get along. So, um, how can myself and everybody else around me help you and your team in order to make this Huy better and successful? How can we contribute to help you make it run smoothie, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. I mean, it's like it's really hard because, you know, again, the age difference. You know, this is a for youths, but it's also run by youths. So, like, the age difference starts to get really small at points and places, Um, again. So, uh, it makes it really hard to, you know, have any concept of authority in this place, you know? So it makes it really hard, I think to, um, to, uh, like, you know, get people to go places and to do things the positive attitude, you know. And I guess what I've been going for is that, like, um, the most important thing is to build our relationships with each other. Like, I think that's I think that's the solution, you know, instead of like having a hierarchy and like Tabby's in command and you do what she says and that sort of thing, Um, well, I'll do anything Tabby says basically. But, um But, uh, you know, um, because I love her so dearly, and I'll I'll take a bullet for her, I swear. But, um uh, like, you know, I think it's more important that we build the relationships with each other sort of thing. Um, so that, you know, I don't have to use authority to get you to come to the table and join our chicken in sort of thing, you know? So it's Yeah. So it's more about, like, being, you know, social with you with, you know, as a people and like getting them to want to come to you sort of thing. Maybe, You know, I guess that's more what we can do for you than the other way around that, Um But, um, I guess just reciprocating that maybe, like, you know, working on, you know, talking, you know, talking to the and working on, you know, just building relationships. That's what we're here for. And I think that, like, you know, if we keep that as the central focus of what we're doing here, um, I think that that might be the smoothest way of going about it again. This is my first time at shift, too, So I don't have the experience to I don't have the experience with this particular context to, you know, feel like I'm speaking with, you know, with a little more experiential knowledge on that. Um, but based on I guess my experiences, I think that's kind of and my experiences here this weekend, I think that might be, um, the way forward and conclusions. Do you think that this is going off topic? Sorry. And this is gonna short interview, but you can keep rolling. I just think that you're a beautiful person. You are amazing to down. Um, the passion I can see that thrives through you don't don't Don't ever let anybody else tell you different and just know that passion never sleeps. And I wish you well in life. And, you know, you've really, um, had an impact on my life one way or another. So I just think that when I do something creative and it'll be it's from your influence in one way or another. But no, honestly, you plus me equal solidarity. 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The original recording can be heard at this website https://www.pridenz.com/shift_hui_2016_participants_part_two.html. The master recording is also archived at the Alexander Turnbull Library in Wellington, New Zealand.  For more details visit their website https://tiaki.natlib.govt.nz/#details=ecatalogue.1089743. Elizabeth Kerekere also features audibly in the following recordings: "Alison Laurie - KAHA Youth Hui 2009", "Elizabeth Kerekere - AsiaPacific Outgames", "Elizabeth Kerekere - Decolonise Your Minds hui", "Parliament: first reading of the Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation Bill", "Rainbow Pride Community Honours (2015) - Part 3", "Elizabeth Kerekere - Rainbow Politicians", "Elizabeth Kerekere - homosexual law reform", "Part 1 - Opening ceremony at Parliament - Wellington Pride Festival 2016", "Opening of Out in the Park (2016)", "Speaking Out Proud - Proud 2016", "LGBTI* health plenary - Proud 2016", "Solidarity with Orlando Candlelight Vigil - Wellington", "Closing plenary - Proud 2016", "Takataapui workshop - Shift hui (2016)", "Leaving a Legacy", "IDAHOBIT 2017", "Service for Virginia Burns", "Insight: Gay Rights Beyond Marriage", "Launch of the ILGA World Conference 2019", "Whakarongo: Pride, ILGA World and beyond", "Our Stonewall", "Wellington International Pride Parade 2020", "Elizabeth Kerekere - Rainbow Voices of Aotearoa New Zealand", "Rainbow Voices of Aotearoa New Zealand documentary", "Tiwhanawhana 20 Years On - interviews", "Hikoi to Out in the City (2021)", "35th anniversary panel discussion on homosexual law reform", "Parliament: second reading of the Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration Bill", "InsideOUT Kōaro -10th birthday", "IDAHOBIT 2022", "Out of the Ashes", "Resist Transphobia rally", "Elizabeth Kerekere farewell from Parliament" and "Kawe Mahara Queer Archives Aotearoa - Rainbow Studies Now". 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