The title of this recording is "Kail - Q12". It was recorded in Auckland, Aotearoa New Zealand on the 9th February 2012. The duration of the recording is 15 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Kail talks about being young and gay in 2012. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: In the podcast titled "Kail - Q12," recorded on the 9th of February 2012 in Auckland, Aotearoa New Zealand, the speaker discussed their experience of being young and gay in the early 2010s. Throughout a 15-minute conversation, the speaker – a 20-year-old who identifies as gay – shared their journey of self-discovery, coming out, relationships, and navigating both the joy and challenges of their identity. The speaker realized their sexuality at a church event, where the attraction to other males became clear and led to a feeling of being different. This realization was kept a secret at first, but later the storyteller came out to their mother in a spontaneous moment before meeting their father. The reaction was one of confusion at first, but ultimately there was a sense of support. In contrast, when revealing their sexuality to their father, the initial response was one of disbelief followed by acceptance - though not without awkward silences and repeated confirmations. Coming out to the wider community was less eventful for the speaker, as many had already assumed their sexuality. This led to feelings of offense initially, but eventually those feelings gave way to relief and an indifference toward others' opinions, emphasizing a deep personal understanding and self-acceptance. In terms of relationships, the speaker had very specific attributes they looked for in a partner, likening their ideal to a Prince Charming archetype. Despite these high standards, they longed for a meaningful connection with someone special, underscoring a desire for traditional romantic intimacy. Contrary to outside perceptions, the speaker had experienced support within their community with no mention of organizational assistance. However, they did reflect on the positive influence of attending a camp and an outbound course, which provided environments where they could express themselves more openly. With regards to dealing with homophobia, the speaker highlighted a resilience to societal abuse, which typically came in the form of verbal harassment rather than physical. Optimistic about their identity, the individual brushed off negative comments and focused on the support they received from their true friends. Professionally, the individual expressed aspirations to become a singer and was already involved in the performing arts. The creative environment seemed to offer both a refuge and a platform for expression. The extended network of friends gained through their involvement in the scene was something the speaker thoroughly valued. Discussing the gay scene at the time, the speaker identified an overwhelming presence of drama often driven by hostile personalities vying for dominance, something they noted as an area for growth within the community. By the end of the interview, the speaker had spelled out their vision for a happy, self-determined life, undeterred by the dramas of social politics and buoyed by a rewarding social circle. The full transcription of the recording begins:  So it's the 19th of February 9th. I mean, God, I'm crazy. Um, it's ninth of February. Um, how old are you? 20. What gender or cultural do you identify with gay boy? Gay boy? What is your sexuality? Gay. So when did you realise you were gay? 17. 16. 17? Um, yeah. How did you realise I was at church and all the guys were just really hot. How did you feel when you realised different? Different? Yeah. Did you feel that you had to keep it a secret? Have you, um, come out of the closet? Have I? Yeah. Yeah. So, um, what's your story of coming out of the closet? Wow, It's stupid. Um, had been days that I had been planning going to my dad's house for the weekend. And before I went to my dad's. I wanted to tell my mum, and so my dad came to pick us up a day earlier. Then my dad said, Oh, no, no, no. My dad just came to pick us up, and, um oh, no, My dad was supposed to pick us up on the certain day, and that's when I was going to tell my mum but I didn't tell my mum. And luckily, my dad didn't come. So the next day, my dad definitely had come and before we had left, um, I went to go hug my mom and was like, I'm gay, by the way. And then she was like, What? So I told her again and she just said Shot. And then later that day, I went to go put on a face while at my dad's. And then I came out of the room and I was like, uh, Dad, I know that this may not be, um I know this may be obvious, but I'm gay, and then he's like, Are you gay? As in happy? Are you happy? And I was like, Yes, but no, I'm gay and I like boys And he's like, Are you sure? And I was like, Yes, And then I was like in an awkward silence and nothing was said. So the next day he brought it up again and was like, Are you sure? And asked me about if I had been with a guy or a girl? And I said no and I understand where he came from. And he was like then how do you know? It's just a certain feeling that I guess homosexuals have. Um how old were you when you came out of the closet? 18. 18. Ok. 01. How many people are you coming out of the closet to right now? Everyone? Everyone. What was the initial reaction? Have you got, um have you gotten from other people apart from your parents? It was obvious. I'm an obvious guy, the obvious guy. So when I came out, actually, they actually thought I had already been out. So I was offended by that. So, yeah, everyone knows. How did you feel about that? About about, um, being out and, um, people knowing relieved. And how how did you feel about the reaction? I didn't really care. Apart from the you felt offended for them. Well, I don't actually care. Like I don't care about what anybody else has to say. It's more or less my family that I care about just because if there's so many, then who do I have? Really? But I don't really care what what others say about me because I know who I am. Did you have any support? Everybody supported me. Yeah. Did you have any organisation that helped you or something like that? Like Rambo? Ouch. Line. You? No, no. I'd say maybe a cam that I went on PSSP. Um that kind of opened up a lot for me as well as going on a, um, an outbound course where I could kind of be myself. And that kind of helped me just to come out a little bit more as well. Ok, now I'm gonna ask some more personal questions. Um, have you been in a relationship before? No, really, Actually, Yeah. Yeah, actually, no. Like, really? Yes, I know. I'm stunning. Well, I'm so shocked. Um well, that just rules out the next question. Um, well, any relationship I know, um, has any of this, um is any reason why you haven't been with anybody? I'm kind of really picky. Um, he's gotta be, like, six toast. 63 dark hair, green eyes, chiselled face, great teeth. Really nice guy who loves the family but, you know, can take in anybody, um, know some stuff. Definitely. See, this is just what I would say. I know that it's not gonna come true. We're looking more Prince Charming. exactly, but just somebody who's really nice, really, But no. Yeah, I tend to just see what I want and pull away, OK, This, um, interview saying to become like a little advertisement. Why is that? Oh, I like this guy. Oh, not a yeah. Um Oh. Bless you. How do you meet other people? How do I meet other people? Yeah, like other people in the gay community or other people that you might date or something like that. Hey, no, no, no. Um, I think being a drag queen kind of helps with getting to know people and because people come and see you. Rather you going to them? Hm? Um, did you ever go on to sites like NZD or Manhunt or grinder? Yes. But that's only because as soon as I started becoming a part of the gay scene, all my friends were a part of it, So I was like, Why not? You know, isn't this there was nothing about peer pressure or anything? I was just like, Why not? Are you a virgin? Yes. Is there any reason why I kind of want my first time to be really special? I was the first guy. I just want my first to be with my first kind of like, It's like the old fashioned way. Like, would you want to be married first or No, I just want to have that real connection. Um, have you gotten or experienced any, um, abuse or abuse or abusive behaviour because of your sexuality or gender identity? I guess that's an obvious question to say yes, because of society and blah, blah, blah, blah. But, um, I'm pretty resilient. So I dealt with that in my own way, kind of just fucked it off. But, um, like I said, I know who I am. I'm proud of who I am, and it's always the really ugly guys who have something to say. So I'm just thinking, when they said that to me, I was really, really pretty. So they wanted me, and they want me to touch them to Can you give me examples of the abusive behaviour that's being treated against you? I hate that word. Um, nothing really physical. It was just small words. Yeah, something just quite a loud, mainly stuff that happens on the street that, like when you walk past Yeah. Wow. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, actually, yeah. Can you tell us more about yourself personally Specify. Well, you don't have to say your name or anything. Just like talking about who you are, your interests and stuff like that. What do you do for a living? Well, I reckon reads hell, Um, I'm a performer. I'm an inspiring, aspiring muzo because I want to become a singer. Um, I'd like to help people as well. Kind of just give back. You know, uh, I just like to hang, really be in a hippy environment. Really, really love to help friends and their time needs kind of thing. You know, just it's just a thing that you obviously do, but, um, I think it's a tad shallow, but I tend to, uh, careful. The harder press and more. Yeah, it's a way of life. I know. Um, do you have any other comments that you would like to make? Um, just be happy. Do you have any, um, questions you would like me to ask or anything like that? Answer the questions. You answer. Do you want me to ask any other questions? Now I'm asking you to answer the questions you asked me. Do you want me to Do you want me to do? I'm just pain. Hey, let's, um, do me. No, no, I'm pretty good. But a good thing. Um yeah. I've seen you perform before, haven't I? At with me? Yes. Yes. What was it like working with him? Um, interesting. That was good. It was good. Um, I was happy with the experience that I got from it. Uh, met plenty of people. Made some really, really good friends. Still talked to now as I and actually catching up with one tomorrow. Um, but, uh, pretty happy, Pretty happy with what happened. Is that, like, your main dream to be on a stage or, um, performing stuff like that? Pretty much. Yeah. Try that scout, though. But, um, that could be a start, actually, that will be a start. So, sex. So, in your opinion, what do you think it's like to be on the gazing? What are some of your experiences? Well, at first, um, I was kind of overwhelmed, so I'd understand why straight people, especially straight guys, would be afraid. I mean, I was afraid at first I was like, Oh, my God. I guess I was just more afraid because that's what I wanted. And I didn't want everybody to know. That's what I wanted anyways. So carry on from that. The scene seems to the scene seems to be just drama. But I guess that's just typical. Yeah, So you think it's, um Do you know, what do you think causes these dramas? Well, I think a lot of gay guys are quite a I just really, really mean people. But some of them, you know, we all know those ones, those ones that make up lies, that think they better than everybody else. That tends to say one thing, but actually sees another or lies to their friends or, you know, hooks up with another guy's friend or boyfriend or whatever. You know, Um, it's just really sad sometimes. But it's just what's the question? What is your experiences And, um, what do you What's your view on the gay scene? Well, from my experience, the gay scene hasn't really done anything to me yet, so I'm pretty happy with what's happening for me personally. I mean, I'm part of an amazing group that's really established within the gay scene. Um, people know who I am? Uh, that's what it's confidential. Yes, cos then I just totally sound up myself. Um, again, this is a little interview to tell yourself. Exactly. Um, no. But my experience is really good on the scene so far. Made really good friends. Um, made a lot of new friends come with some kind of interest, you know, Um, but right now, pretty good with this year, I think last year was one of the best years that I've had. And that's just because of the scene. Just what it has given me, really, Just more or less friends that I have gained from the scene. Really amazing people. Um, but I think this year is gonna be better. No, I know this year is gonna be better. So, um, going back to what you say? Um, there's a lot of dramas happening around this gay scene. Do you? Do you think it would be possibly meaning that there's so much personalities out there that there's a lot of conflicts? I want to say a lot of personalities, I'd say the same personality, so they tend to kind of override each other by being a better personality. than what they are. You get what I mean. Yeah. So they try to fight each other when they're the same. They're trying to be, um What is it called? The head wolf or something? Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Um, they just don't seem to see that. I guess. There's also stuff tinges as well. You know, that's probably one of the main reasons. Big reasons. Really? Gosh, everyone has issues, but homo tend to triple them or, like, you know, could triple them and make them more worse than they actually are. So that's just something they need to learn on. But, um yeah, I guess it's just more or less the same personality trying to be different. Does that make sense? Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah. Um, thank you for coming along. Or even though? Yeah, but yeah. Thank you for having the interview with me. You're welcome. Do you have any other comments? No. No. OK, have a Have a good day. Yes. Have a great day. Thank you. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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