The title of this recording is "NAGS Nelson - KAHA Youth Hui 2009". It is described as: Wai Ho talks to Tabby Besley about NAGS in Nelson and an unidentified person talks about a workshop on sexuality and gender. It was recorded in Tapu te Ranga Marae, 46C Rhine Street, Island Bay, Wellington on the 23rd January 2009. Tabby Besley is being interviewed by Wai Ho.  Their names are spelt correctly but may appear incorrectly spelt later in the document. The duration of the recording is 5 minutes. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Wai Ho talks to Tabby Besley about NAGS in Nelson and an unidentified person talks about a workshop on sexuality and gender. The content in the recording covers the 2000s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: This summary provides an overview of an audio recording titled "NAGS Nelson - KAHA Youth Hui 2009," a 5-minute podcast which involves an interview with Tabby Besley conducted by Wai Ho. Recorded at Tapu Te Ranga Marae, Wellington, on January 23rd, 2009, it captures a conversation about the experiences of individuals within the Nawland Alliance of Gays and Straights (NAGS) - a queer alliance group in a college located in Nelson. In the interview, Besley discusses their involvement with NAGS, starting from when they joined the school 200 years ago. The group enjoys considerable support from both the school staff and students, as illustrated by a recent initiative where they made a new banner filled with signatures from around the school - particularly the juniors. Family support is demonstrated through the active involvement of Besley's younger sibling and mother, who is an employee of the school and contributes to the cause. The conversation delves into Besley's broader engagement with queer communities, including their attendance at the SS4Q in 2007, and covers a workshop they attended that deals with positive and negative messages surrounding queer youth. Throughout, Besley conveys the notion that despite the potential for negative messages and challenges, the response has been to meet them with laughter or clever retorts, and they have not experienced significant negativity themselves. Additionally, the unidentified individual who joins the interview discusses a workshop centered on the complexity of sexuality and gender labels. The discussion highlights the difficulties people face due to a lack of understanding or exposure to diverse identities, particularly within the transgender community. There is an emphasis on the wide variance within the trans community, the misconceptions held by people based on limited portrayals in media, and the challenges faced by those who seek to transition amidst rigid public perceptions. The conversation also addresses gender stereotypes and the pressures of conforming to binary gender roles. The limit these expectations place on individuals is highlighted, alongside the struggle of challenging entrenched norms within society. The workshop session seems to have facilitated a sense of community among diverse trans individuals, emphasizing the importance of such gatherings where individuals can find support and pride in their identities. The audio recording shared by Out There! - the National Queer Youth Development Project - provides an insight into the growth and support structures for queer youth, the educational discourse on gender, identity, and coming out, as well as the impact of societal expectations on queer individuals. The session ends on a note of gratitude and celebration of the diversity and resilience in the trans community. The full transcription of the recording begins:  So here we have someone from nags tell us about nags and where Nags is and what nags is, um, Nags is nail and the lines of gaze and stripes, which is, uh, Alliance group in college in Nelson. And yeah. And how long have you been a part of that group? Um, 200 years since I started school. Really? And how how's that been? Is the school fine with it? And other school people Fine with it. Yeah, There's heaps of support from the staff in the school. Like this past year. We've made a new banner was filled with signatures and we went around the school and got, like, heaps of signatures, especially from, like, the juniors and stuff. So it was really cool. And how are your family with it? Great. Um, my younger sister, she's year nine or year nine last year. And she's part of it, too. And my mom is on the staff, and she's really supportive. And so this is your Is this your first kind of big queer meeting kind of thing? I went No. I went to the SS for Q in 2007, so that was really cool. And you've just come out of a session. What was What was your session? Um, it was about positive and negative messages about queer youth and gay people and stuff like that. And what were some of those messages? Pop quiz. Oh, I don't I don't know. Yeah. Did you find that you had to deal with any positive and negative messages for you? Um, I think there's always gonna be negative, like, messages and things that go around school and stuff like that. But I don't really care about it. Just kind of laugh at them or come up with a cool come back. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So your school and your family have been really supportive. And have you Have you ever experienced anything negative? Um, not so much. No. Wow. That's fantastic. Yeah. And how well did you sleep last night? Um, not too well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you very much for talking to us. Cool. So you've just come out of a session. Can you tell us a bit about that session? It was about sexuality and gender and the labels that we call ourselves and the labels that other people call us and So what are some of the so for someone who wouldn't know someone who's straight and who isn't Trans? What would you tell them? Or what would they want to know? Elaborate on that, Um, just kind of They're like, Whoa, what What is that? I think a lot of the time we tend to stick with the labels that most people at least heard of, like the more diverse ones don't really seem to get us that far. So we'll stick with trainee Homo gay queer, hetero Trans partner, that sort of thing. And usually they'll just ask us questions from there, and we can elaborate a bit more, but yeah, generally, the big labels are seem to be the ones that people understand a lot more, and there's kind of, um, a whole lot of mixed messages or a whole lot of information. But then a whole not a whole lot of information about trans people out there. How does that kind of impact on some of the identities of your young people and on you and that kind of thing, I think, even within itself, the trans community is extremely diverse. But most people who have just seen things like Priscilla, Queen of the Desert have this really strong idea of that's what it is. And a lot of the time they don't even realise that there are FT MS out there and, you know, they just think we're all lesbians and it's really hard on our young people. Like I know a young guy who wants to transition, and he's just he's like I can't Everyone will just think I'm a drag queen and that's really hard and trying to challenge that, especially with young people who just haven't had the exposure to the information. And it's just really hard for us trying to support him and say, It's OK, You can do what you need to do. But have that be OK with his peers as well? What are some of the problems or some of the limits? I guess around around gender stereotypes around what it's meant to be a man and what it's meant to be a woman. Um, it's just so binary like, You know, if you're a man, you are straight, you're masculine. You do certain things, you act a certain way, and if you're a female, you're feminine, and it doesn't really leave room for things like being effeminate, being even really being queer within gender, like I know a trans guy who is a gay man and people don't think about that. They think if you want to be a man, this is what you want to be like. If you want to be a woman, this is what you want to be like. And even just within queer stuff and even queer Couples, you know which one's the man? Which one's the woman? This is how you're gonna act. So who's going to take it and who's going to give it? And it's just ridiculous. But it's been that way for so long now. People just don't even really think about it, and it's actually quite tiring, constantly challenging it. But it's something that needs to be done, and we're seeing the results. It's just a really slow process. So what was something quite cool that came out of that session before, even for me, meeting so many diverse trans people, Um, I don't really hold any of those stereotypes, but just actually meeting such a wide range of people was really, really cool for me, you know, the trans men, trans women, different sort of partners, different gendered partners. It was just totally awesome just knowing that they are out there and they're proud of who they are. Thank you very much. This audio was brought to you by out there. For more information, visit WWW dot out there dot org dot NZ. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. The tags are seperated by a semi-colon: 2000s ; Drag Queen ; FtM ; KAHA Youth Hui (2009) ; Nayland Alliance of Gays and Straights (NAGS) ; Nelson ; Out There! 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Tabby Besley also features audibly in the following recordings: "Tabby - Q12", "Queer-Straight Alliances - Marriage Equality Conference", "Participant Reaction - Marriage Equality Conference", "Rainbow Pride Community Honours (2015) - Part 1", "NXT:15 - LGBTIQ Youth Leaders Conference", "Beyond Rainbows panel discussion", "Open mic sessions - Queer History in the Making", "Tabby Besley - Queer History in the Making", "Wellington Pride Parade (2016)", "Part 2 - Opening ceremony at Parliament - Wellington Pride Festival 2016", "Beyond Rainbows panel discussion - Shift hui (2016)", "Tabby Besley - Shift hui (2016)", "Leaving a Legacy", "IDAHOBIT 2017", "LBGTI+ education forum", "Launch of the Rainbow Crossing in Wellington", "Tabby Besley - Rainbow Voices of Aotearoa New Zealand", "Rainbow Voices of Aotearoa New Zealand documentary", "National Schools Pride Week", "Hikoi to Out in the City (2021)", "InsideOUT Kōaro -10th birthday", "Elizabeth Kerekere farewell from Parliament", "InsideOUT Kōaro - Navigating the hate", "InsideOUT Kōaro at Out in the City (2024)" and "Protect sexual education resources in schools". 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