The title of this recording is "From Bisexual to Skoliosexual - Proud 2016". It is described as: Audio from the workshop: From Bisexual to Skoliosexual. It was recorded in University of Otago Wellington School of Medicine, Mein Street, Wellington on the 10th March 2016. This is a recording of an event and features the voices of Bella Simpson and Melissa Gibson. Their names are spelt correctly, but may appear incorrectly spelt later in the document. The duration of the recording is 1 hour and 10 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: Audio from the workshop: From Bisexual to Skoliosexual. The content in the recording covers the decades 1980s through to the 2010s. A brief summary of the recording is: The abstract for this event captures the essence of a workshop titled "From Bisexual to Skoliosexual - Proud 2016", which took place at the University of Otago Wellington School of Medicine. The focus of the discussion was on the broad spectrum of sexual identities that have emerged over the decades, particularly from the 1980s to the 2010s, and the inclusivity of "ignored identities" within the LGBTQ+ community. Rather than a structured presentation, the event favored a collaborative and discussion-based format where participants shared personal experiences and discussed ways to support and validate non-mainstream identities. A key feature of the discussion entailed exploring the fluid and multifaceted nature of sexual orientation and gender identity, recognizing that individuals may not fit neatly into traditional categories. The workshop addressed challenges such as erasure and the lack of visibility for certain identities, emphasizing the importance of creating supportive networks, resources, and safe spaces for all individuals, regardless of how they identify. Throughout the workshop, participants highlighted the necessity of education on a variety of levels, from inclusive sex education curricula in schools to teaching respect and kindness as fundamental values. The dialogue touched on the importance of history and the contributions of various groups within the LGBTQ+ community, as well as acknowledging the ongoing struggle for recognition and rights. Anecdotal references and personal stories enriched the conversation, driving home the message that while progress has been made, there is still work to be done to ensure that all members of the LGBTQ+ community feel validated and celebrated. Suggestions for moving forward included the creation of culturally appropriate resources, leveraging social media platforms for visibility and community building, and continued advocacy for systemic changes in educational strategies. The engagement of allies, listening and elevating diverse voices, and fostering an environment of continual learning and allyship were also emphasized as critical components of advancing the inclusion of all identities. The summary of the event captures the dynamic, interactive, and future-focused nature of the discussion, highlighting the collective wisdom, aspirations, and strategies proposed by contributors for creating a more inclusive and understanding society. The full transcription of the recording begins:  So I'm Melissa, Um, and with this workshop, we did have some ideas of how we could like present information. But then, to be honest, I personally thought, Well, that's not the best idea for me, because I still have so much to learn. Um, this is my first pride event ever. I was thrown into it. Thanks, Bella. Um, but I think you know, it's going to be very much like a collaborative, discussion based workshop sharing personal experiences. If you feel comfortable to do so, Um, and things that, like affected you and your journey, Um, to where you are now, wherever that may be, Um, and largely talking about how And I think that was, like, a consistent theme this morning as well. Um, we can make sure that the sort of more and we've been referring to them in our planning as ignored identities, um, are included far more in the community and how we can more ensure as well that we reach out to people who do identify with those different identities and how we can make sure that they get invited in, um, as opposed to just kind of going Oh, we we're sitting here waiting, Um, because that's just so doesn't work. Um, and so I just really keen to hear from everyone some action points of what each of us could maybe take away personally to our friend groups and family groups. Um, but also, in terms of, like, our wider networks, um, be at work or, you know, volunteer groups and how we can make sure that we really provide that information as well for young questioning people who might be struggling, particularly because there's a lack of resource or education around those identities. Yeah, all right. Do you wanna start like with a round of instructions of everyone, though, um, the first thing we'll do is we'll just sort of establish a rough sort of to establish that this is a safe space. Um, there's not too many of us, I think, just like the basics. What said in here stays in here affecting everyone else's opinions? Um, and things along those lines Does anyone else have anything pressing that they feel needs to be shared or, like, said as a no? I guess one thing would be if you're aware that you're someone that likes to talk quite a lot, but just remembering that there are other people who might find it a little bit hard. Thank you. So the first thing we were gonna I thought we could do is maybe draw and do, like, the sexuality spectrum. Um, and we can sort of talk about that because I feel like what? We're learning different identities of each other, which is a great start. So we just use the whiteboard, I think. Yeah. Um, so how I sort of saw it on my head, but we can discuss this more. Was that on one side? It is very. And then on the other side, it's very Oh, yeah. And then we've got, like, a And then we've got, like, a romantic download, the bottom. Um and so then it's kind of like a spectrum between all of that, and there's a range of identities that will fit in different parts of this, I think. And then it's also sort of the idea that it's very fluid. So sometimes you may feel very like this side, like, right here in the centre. But then other times, you might feel very much more like down over here, you know, and so in the middle. That's I thought, as a group, we could discuss different identities. Yeah, Um, I don't think this encompasses diverse genders, because how do you define a sexual person? Their Their relationship is neither hetero or homosexual, So that's the centre. So if we've got, like, from a very point of view and then right, so then this is also a point of view, but like, same sex to opposite sex. Um, but then in the middle, this is where, like, pansexual would be. That would be Yeah, but those are sexual orientations, not gender. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're just talking about sex, but they definitely do all intersect. And I think that's the thing is that in itself is something that we need, Like a 3D. Like a plane that sit on top of that. Yeah. Exactly. Therefore, if we need a 3D image, maybe Well, you probably do need to figure a way to work. Yeah, so yeah. And like, um, like trends and then like non binary, but like, some things were just described. Sort of like a So it's you know, I know it's impossible to draw, but it's kind of like that it's a spherical thing. So my plan is is that what we have always done is like an education. Point of view is a always sort of gone home, and we've never look at everything around that. We just look in a clear line. I'm hoping that through this workshop we can come up with a clear plan and we can be to kids like Look, it's not just a straight line. It's literally like I think as well. And this is where I particularly struggle with mental health and just with like my own lived experience is that if people and this is something that, like I think fits with you like buy or pan or if you identify as something which is more fluid as people will look at my relationship and go, Oh, you're in a hetero relationship, you have a boyfriend. Um, whereas realistically, on most given days, I am way more over here. It's just that I actually happened to connect with another like a male. Um and I think that makes it really difficult, Um, in terms of like your personal identity and, you know, and if I refer to myself as queer or something like that. And people kind of look at me and they're like, Hm, But are you you know, and I'm like, Yes. Um, yeah, What do you think? Like, what's your experience? It's it's people are like, Yeah, but no, you're not because you're in a in a relationship with a guy, so yeah, yeah, And I think that's something which we'll talk about later in the workshop as well. But like how to, like, maybe have conversations with partners and family around that, because that's something that you know. And to be honest, I'm really wanting to learn off other people as well, because I've had I've had no support network in terms of that. And so when I started dating my boyfriend, I was like, Look, we have to have a conversation. Um, because he totally knew that I am queer, But I was like, You have to not just accept this, but celebrate it. Um, you know, And just how you have those different conversations as well as something we can come to. How do you find? So, were you talking about acceptance of general society in saying, Oh, if you've got a if you're in a relationship, then we define you as that. But, um, it's also quite excluding in the LGBT. Absolutely. And I mean because there'll be people who go, um, and and it's a bit about, like, feeling more entitled, I think like because, um if if, If you've got a a visible gender identity or you've got a a really obvious sexual orientation that that you don't have any flexibility in that, then you'll be, um you may have different struggles. I mean, yeah, and and I wonder if you've had that kind of being ostracised from the LGBTI community because of people who might say, Well, you can just hide it totally. That's really a thing, as people have, like a lot of, um, sort of this idea of passing almost, um, which I think, though for me, I. I just see that as actually a, um of my identity. Um, and it's something that for a long time, and I'm gonna be real brief because I don't want to be the only person talking. Um, but like for a long time, I really struggled with as well because I dated a girl in high school, and then when I left high school. I had, like, three boyfriends in a row. And so we're on the street. Oh, it was just a face. Oh, look, she was just, like, gay for a year. Um, you know, and so I actually posted, like, a profile picture was like, actually, no, I'm bisexual. And these are, like, a bunch of, like, the myths, which I really wanted to spell. Um, but it is definitely that you did. Thank you. I was really nervous. I actually turned my laptop off for, like, half an hour afterwards. And I was like, I'm just gonna let that sit there. Um, yeah. Um, but no. Totally. And I think though it is something that I'm still trying to learn about because I think it's so, like, on one hand, you can't just say to someone. Oh, you're not queer anymore because you're in that relationship. But at the same time, you know, I do actually accept that, like, you know, I can walk down the street holding my partner's hand. Um, I wasn't didn't used to, you know, but I can now, but it's realising that as well and kind of going No, actually, I do. Really? I understand. Especially I think sometimes, like it comes out of a place of hurt for people. Um, who, like, you know, want the same thing? Um, yeah, but that's a really interesting point of discussion. Do you have any ideas on that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel kind of similar to you. It does, like, I think, affect my own identity. Um, sometimes even I'm like, what? What's that phase? You know, because I was like, I've been in a relationship with him I for two years now, So I'm like, Well, I don't know. Perhaps if, um, if I felt more supported by the community, I might celebrate my own identity a little bit more totally. Yeah. Sorry. I just want to come back to the next thing I was gonna say. Um, well, then what if you looked at it so that then we took these two away and we put them in a separate line and we put male and female or, like, sis non stuff? I don't think Ace and a romantic are opposite. True. What's the definition of a romantic? There's no romantic connection with people that are just sexually attractive to people, so I don't know. I sort of saw them as opposites because one was like romance. One was sexual, but I wasn't too sure that was an assumption, which I probably shouldn't have done. But we have a discussion about that. Um, yeah, I was gonna ask the same question. Let's just ask and and also, can one of you please explain what is What does ace mean? So a is a Yeah, we did explain it just before you arrive. Good question. Yeah, we all have that question as well. Some of them Do you want to come sit here like while we're doing this? Because you can if you want. You don't have to, but so the opposite of asexuals sexual and then you'd have another one for a romantic and romantic. So because would that be like too many things? Yeah, like asexuals and then sexual and then a romantic and romantic. I think I've always thought of sexuality. The sphere is even better, but I've always drawn a big circle and everyone's a dot somewhere in that circle, and everybody is probably a little bit different to everybody else. That's what we trying to do. And so it doesn't sort of matter necessarily if you get it perfect, which paradigms? But everyone is, you know, as long as they're they're perhaps they're all labelled there somewhere, like a star diagram. We need one of those holograms moves around with. Yeah, that's it. Does anyone else see us like while we were talking about it before? Like, it's sort of in our minds? Has anyone experienced being in a relationship that maybe doesn't make visible like the entirety of your identity and therefore, like, have dealt with assumptions or stereotypes and things? I think from an A an asexuals perspective. People don't really appreciate the importance of the close friendships that you make. And they think, you know, if you have a platonic friendship with somebody of a different gender that they'll think, Oh, you know, why aren't you? Why are you having sex? And particularly, I suppose, um, it's also difficult that there are really a very few in the wider body, very few as six people. So the chance of two of them meeting each other and understanding each other is is low, whereas, um, a sexual person may meet a sexual person and not understand them and want to have a sexual relationship with them and feel really hurt. I think that it's really interesting because I'm a part of a couple of different, like as Facebook groups and internationally there's only 7000 people in one of them, and that's like the biggest set of both. And that's an international Facebook group type. And that's like the first thing when you type into Facebook that will come up, which I think is really interesting. But I'm like, pretty sure that there is far more people. Yeah, one of my plans this year and I think Alex is gonna work with me a little bit on it and through inside out, Um, I want to set up So it was probably a Facebook group and then move into, like meetings monthly. But I can ignore sexual identities and non sexual identities, um, like group, because I'm sure that there are multiple identities out there, but we just like there's no visibility for it. So I think that that's like the biggest issue is that there just isn't the visibility, and that's something that we've been talking about in terms of like one of the sort of discussion questions that we had was, like, What sort of resources have been available? Like to you like, through your sort of? I call it a journey, but that implies it has destination. It doesn't necessarily have to have a destination. You can just be moving along. Um, yes, you know, But just in terms of, like, what information was available or like, have you seen available to people Because, like, to be honest bisexuality, I'm gonna like class it in, like the fairly mainstream group, you know, in terms of, like, ignored identities, because it is still, you know, something that's widely talked about. But my school counsellor was like, Oh, does that mean you have a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time? And I was like, you, I'm not the person I need to be talking to right now. Um, but just in terms of, like, does anyone have, like, really positive experiences of education available, Or maybe not or just, you know, thinking about that as well? Because I think in terms of, you know, um, being a and stuff, maybe it's just that a lot of people go, I'm feeling like this, But maybe there's just something wrong with me. Or maybe like, Is this even like a thing or what's just wrong with me? You know that that information that I found, we know certain things that, um, people do totally erase the the asexuals identity and just say, Oh, just because you can't get an opposite sex partner or any partner that they're just like Oh, it's just because you're a loser. You know, it's it's It's a human nature to want to have sex. That's what the argument is, and so it's just completely erased. It's really hurtful as well. How did you go about finding that information then? If you want that, probably just Google it and it comes out just looking. I don't know it. It's not like I didn't know what to Google. That's what I'm saying, though it was like, you know, I probably found it through an article about something completely different. No, because I think that's so often The problem as well, particularly with the ignored identities, is you know, if it's not actually talked about, or like if the idea isn't presented to you, kind of like that Facebook group that I said before, you know, someone might just be going. Oh, like, this is just a thing about me and because it's they really do think it's just a thing about them. They're not going to sort of go ahead and look for that information. Yeah, Yeah. It's like for me with, like, kind of figuring out my non binary trans identity. Like, I pretty much just assumed that when I didn't feel that I was a woman, that I must be a dude until I met other non-binary people. So and because there was no, there's no language for it in wider society generally. So it was just that thing of and yeah, I don't know how you changed that. Anyone else. Jason, what kind of like, you know, you being in a political party and things like, Do you have many educational resources? And if you do, so, um, 2. 5 years ago, we spent when we formed first of all four months trying to, um, even put some definitions together. So 2. 5 years ago, we we in Australia, GL BT. I was being used. We, um after three or four months of of research landed with the LGBTI Q and we thought the Q, um, covers the A pluses. Um, some people think it does. Some people think it doesn't it just I mean, it's fine. The whole letter thing is, and people didn't really understand even 2. 5 years ago in the the broader community what all the letters meant and we've actually had a. Now everyone uses the LGBTI Q in Australia. And now there's the the the eight pluses being added in there in some places as well. And I think that's been really good. So but that, um And then we spent 18 months researching what needed to happen for full inclusion and celebration of LGBTI Q people in Australia. And there were 30 pages and marriage is one paragraph. We don't have marriage equality. Um, we don't even have adoption equality in most states, and most they just passed it in. Um, we still had. We only just recently had the decriminalisation of people had sex offences for engaging in same same sex recently as well. In the last 12 months, Um, in some states in Australia, it was only a few years ago that you could, um um, have the defence over. Someone came on to me and they were saying you killed them. Yeah, that got away with it. Not for a long ago. So So this, um uh, and I ask the question, Answer. I answer it properly. That I'm sorry, I don't wanna just in terms of educational resources. And then you also get them out to people who maybe aren't out yet either. Or don't. Even so, our our audience is 40% heterosexual, Um, and we believe our whole process has been in education. So whether you go through our policy strategy, which is on our website, there's, you know, 30 pages of of of information. It's about it's positively written, too. So it's almost like you implement all these things. Um, and Australia is a fully inclusive, beautiful society. I understand that legislative change is not the same as social change, but they they they're connected. Um, so it's all the way through. It's been an education process. There are, you know, and and the in particular Trans, um, issues have had a lot of focus in recent last year or so, which is a good thing Uh, and the fact that people are, you know, not easily defined. And it's OK, and there's nothing wrong with being, um, everything it is about education, everything. And I just tried to learn, and we we actually went and just, you know, listened. And the and the team is not just the gay people, they're They have a broad spectrum of people, you know. So it's, um, and some straight people. Did I answer your question? Yeah, I'm just trying to think, like, in terms of inside out as well. It was really good. Yeah, I'm just sort of and like, Totally. And I think this is stuff that we can work on as a group is how do we get, like, resources on, like, you know, the sort of ignored identities Or maybe like, not so mainstream identities out to people, you know, to help them figure it out. You sort of get what I'm saying. Yeah. I think things that are outside the norm tumble is quite popular. If you ever heard I was waiting for someone to bring it up because you don't have to know like exact keywords you want because of your like sex sexuality or non conforming gender, and then because it tags things to, um, it will it will categorise it and OK, Oh, this is what you might be looking for. It just takes you on a journey of like, Oh, I wasn't looking for that. But OK, you have to do a giant list and links to articles on to office. It's pretty cool. Um, and the other issue, though, is that there aren't actually a lot of resources, right? Like that's the biggest problem, and it turn out is the goal to do those things in the future. But at the moment, it's like prioritising what's urgent and what we've actually got like statistics on to get the funding for. That makes sense because at the moment we've done like the, um, how to support gender diverse young people in schools. That's because we've actually got statistics to back up a lot of the work, so it's easier to try and get funding even though we were turned down for funding. But you know, so I think that that's like the next plan programme in Australia and all of us, but it's been canned as of this minute. It No, it hasn't been. It won't be canned. Um, but the federal government is investigating it now, and they may withdraw its funding for it in my state. Um, the state government has a goal of having it implemented in every school by 2018. So it's different everywhere. But there's the religious right, are very much, um, hung in. Um, they've sexualized it completely and made it, uh, in in parliament. They've come out and said things that are grooms, paedophiles and and they use the phrase Penis tucking and and breast binding like there's some evil concoction that we're encouraging the other 90% to do. We have had this programme and it's made a massive difference in public and private schools in the last 2. 5 years, and hopefully it won't be, but the federal government may actually can funding for it. We spend $1. 2 billion every four years on chaplains, government chaplains, and we spent $8 million over the same period of time on the same schools programme. 1. 2 billion, 8 million. It's like it's like a 1. 1 million difference. I think Just go to the schools, public schools, public schools. But how is is the country defining itself as a state? It's ridiculous. We have a right wing government, has too many of them, and they have too much folk. It's disgusting. What they say is disgusting. And I was on a in the audience of a TV show the other day and Trans, it just kind of been relation because it's really the The stuff that's more salacious to the straight person is the trans stuff in the school in schools. Um, but there was no trans voice in the audience, and it's wrong. I think the point is that these are these are choices I I In my opinion, religion is right there with gender identity and sexual orientation. In terms of you have a choice to identify. It's a lifestyle to be religious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And therefore you could. 11 side of the argument could be to say, OK, if we're considering ourselves to be a secular state, then we won't teach religious. We won't have religious teachings in public schools. On the flip side, that that gives the same reasoning to teaching gender diversity in schools, and they'll say OK? Uh, yeah, but so So either you could say OK, well, we should We should teach religious. We should have religious teachings in school of all religions so that people can inform themselves and choose what they associate with the same. The same. The same funding on teaching. No, that's real good, I think. Somewhat like shifting it back. No, no, it's all right. Um, I forgot. I was gonna say, um, no, I think it's interesting because I've always just kind of gone like, Oh, there's heaps of resources. We just need to get them out there. Like I've just always assumed that resource is one that if you haven't seen it, you should contact safe schools and get it, because it Very good. Yeah. I think you said Nathan about Tumbler is really interesting because I think, Yeah, a lot of people sort of have this idea of tumbler, but I actually think it is really, really good in terms of people exploring who they are and figuring those things out. Um, do you get much bigotry on there? I think that it's too, um, left side for that. Majority of people are, um yeah, it's very much, almost like a community of people who and then even people on there who identify as gender and straight like there's just so much on there that I think if they really were to, like, try and even be mean, they actually would just get completely shut down. And so it is done by voting, right? You thumbs up or thumbs down it? No. So you can just do the, like, read blog posts or you like them. Um, And so yeah. And so, like, there's heaps of really cool blogs as well. So there's, like, one on like demisexual dot tumblr dot com, Um, and lots of different things like that. But because that's where we get most of our, um because I run. Sorry, Um, that's where we get most of what you in the other day. Um, yeah, because because I was looking for resources for, um people. And because a couple of you came to me like we want to know if this is us or you know what we do about it, or do we do anything or how are we meant to be feeling I was like, leave it look, um, and I couldn't find anything. And there was just, like, one book, and it was a shit book I recruited paying for it. Um, and it was basically like, um, your sexuality just hasn't kicked in yet. Basically, it was what The person saying I was like, Oh, I'm not gonna give that to Yeah, but it was, like, so on. Tumbler, like I. I just in the sense you just put, um as, um And it can follow people who have real life experience. And also they found the resources to work for themselves. So they kind of whittled out the crap kind of thing. So they've kind of done the hard work for you. And there's tonnes of pages just dedicated to it because again, they're probably pushing an awareness. And like, Well, I did this resource when I first got myself. Where is everyone else? So let go. It's good like that. So how do you guys think? Maybe like just everyone as a group, could we because, like, this is the thing is we're trying to look like as a community. How can we go back out to like our own networks and really promote like, awareness and education on these things in terms of resources, not existing. Like, Do you think we should just write them ourselves, or do we just find, like, really good ones and kind of like information share? Or I think part of carry on. Part of it would be kind of if we find resources from overseas that they're not necessarily going to be culturally appropriate here in town. Um, so that could be an argument for making our room. I think the thing I like about self determination and like, you know, you guys doing your survey with youth and stuff is, you know, maybe the community could put it out there for people to say what they think. You know, when we first came in and people were saying, What does that mean? Or what does that mean? You know, actually, people just describe themselves how they would what they see these teams, meaning and what they feel they would feel it. So you get terrible. Why that? Um, you know, New Zealand based diverse because, I mean, everyone will have different opinions, but I guess trying to find some commonality within that. But you need to ask people first so that they can say this is what it means to me when I say I'm queer. Like for me, for example, most people just assume I'm lesbian or, um, you know, and that and I'm all right with that, doesn't I? Don't particularly care that much, but it's that thing of someone else who queer might be non binary or someone else might be gay or, you know, so there's already a multiple number of different within that one word. But, um, and other people might have different things around bisexuality or various other. And I think that's where um, like, I'm the student counsellor here at med school, and I've had people come to me and it's that thing of I don't say hello. I'm Denise and I'm a lesbian or I'm just talking to them about their concerns. But if you know those issues come up, um, you know, that might be a time when I talk about that or not, depending on, you know, because sometimes it's not appropriate. But, um, I have had someone who ace and feeling very isolated, and I was really pleased they talked to me about it, and I didn't pick up on it at all, and then they just start talking. I always ask people about their relationship history. That's just the way I go into it, because you don't want to assume or and sometimes people find it very difficult. If you come direct at them around sexuality, they can feel quiet in the way. We've got a lot of international students here where it's unsafe in their home countries to be of a different sexual orientation. So that's a way that I find works for me as a councillor, and I've had a history of working in mental health and the DH BS. Prior to that, and again as the lesbian working in a child abuse mental health service, I used to get all the queer clients get put to me, and I used to get really shitty with the rest of the staff, saying, You need to educate yourselves and this is what you need to do in order to not everyone's going to relate to me just because I'm queer. We're not all the same, you know, um, and you know, you guys need to find ways of, you know, because there there might be a limited resource, like people are talking about endocrinologists or whatever, or psychiatry or things like that. And not all of them are going to have that range of diversity to be the right person to see. You know, Um, so I'm a great fan of trying to It comes to that kind of, I mean, my fantasy. It would be that we didn't even need to have LGBTI Q that we could just have sex, sexuality and gender diverts. And everyone was in that, you know, But that complete utopian, because everything's not equal at the moment. So we have to have this to achieve that equality. But I think that's where I'd like to see it kind of somehow move that self determination and that can be around. All sorts of things raise gender, sexuality, and I I'm fortunate to be working alongside doing some research, but insects, um, in New Zealand and trying to get some change around how things are happening in that arena. And again, that's another area where people feel very, um, um, you know, when you talk about not having awareness or people not responding or, um so again, it's really tricky. But I'm not an person myself. So it's that thing of, um, you know, you don't want to speak for other people, but you also want to support within that wider community to get heard. So gone off a track now. But I guess it's that thing of trying to find a way, because when I you know, I suppose coming out as a lesbian in the eighties, it was completely different. And I totally get what you know the bisexual people are saying about, because it was sort of that sort. You make up your mind and they used to be lesbian clubs and they sort of have to show your ID at the store. Are you really, truly a lesbian or bisexual or all that sort of stuff? Ridiculous, you know, But it is that people do get in their little camps, and it's really hard to try and shift them. I really want to find a nice way of presenting all that diversity, because when I'm talking with doctors, they only have blinkered binary on. And my what I'm wanting to hope my research is to shift them from thinking beyond, because that's the biggest barrier in my mind is the blinker binary vision, and they just can't get their heads around that other way of seeing things. And that's until we can shift that. And I think that's also true in the general population that someone was saying in the human rights, but about we need to How are we going to get everyone on side? Because they're the people who kind of put up the blocks. You know, I paraphrase something you said earlier. I just want to check that it's OK how I paraphrased it. I just said when describing cells describe the labels that we are using as well, how we would use them Is that Is that OK to that? Yeah, I think, um, labels is a big like a question by that because I think to debate on because some people love them. Some people hate it, and I think that's something that, especially within ignored identities, as almost as much. You know, it's like Are they empowering or are they limiting? Yeah, that's like self determination. It's kind of like not saying a label, but it's sort of yeah, I think just like another point that I picked up that was really awesome. Um, and I totally want to hear from everyone else if they, you know, if it struck anything with them. Um, but how you said that you will ask people about their relationship history and not directly like their sexuality? Um, I thought that was really good. And I think sometimes, like in terms of thinking and just, like, very small networks, especially, um, you know, be it friends or people that you meet, and you kind of want to say like, Oh, so you know, like, how is your partner or things like that? You know, you want to find stuff out about them or you want to know Hey, can I talk to you about this? Um, that that particularly, was a really good way of doing it. And I'm just wondering, like, you know, does anyone else have any, like, ways that they ask people about that or even slip it in personally? Because I know that sometimes if I'm talking to a young person who I think you know, might want to have a conversation about something and they go, Oh, my ex-girlfriend said something. They go. I really like that show, you know, and they'll be like, Oh, ex-girlfriend, you say, You know, And then they'll start talking to you about that. And it wasn't about that. It was about, you know, some other thing that I made up to try and talk to them about that, Um, but just yeah, just sort of thinking about that as well, in terms of it also being like a safe conversation. So, you know, do you personally have any other, like, sort of ambiguous questions that you ask, Or I just kind of, you know, say, I just say about What's your support network? Have you who are your friends? And, you know, I guess it's that sort of moving from the inward out or, you know, how do you feel about yourself and just generally moving out from that? It's really hard because it depends on the person in front of you. But I guess I always try to just be myself without feeling like I have to tell them everything but be myself and just create a safe environment. And, um, yeah, I don't know how he is. It's hard. There's not a particular phrase as such, but I just I think that totally. When you put the focus on yourself, it really makes the other person feel more comfortable. But there's a really fine line to treat along that hidden in professional context. As you know, like, um because you can't have all your clients knowing all about you and you, you can't have your client. You can't be, uh, like you can't be squashing your client's issues with your own. It's kind of probably a better word is you got to be real rather than necessarily self disclosing about. You know, um, you know, being an older lady, I don't kind of go in there and try and get all the hip language of all the young folk that you know, because I just sort of think straight away, you know? And I got a Facebook and all that sort of stuff, and they just go on now they're doing their things and they come in. I'll put that in there for you today, but, um, you know, so I don't try to be what I'm not, you know. So I think being real is really important. It's not like you see straight through a group or something, because I think that was like, The main thing is just also, how do we start conversations? Um, which I think is an interesting one. But that's really good, I think, Um, like, as a takeaway. Did anyone else have anything to say in terms of that as well? What time are we meant to be? Finishing up? Cool. Alright then, um I don't know. I'm just trying to think as well in terms of, like, action points and things. So, like, what would actually go into? I don't know. What resources do you wish were available to you though, Like growing up? Because I think before we even create resources, what resources do we think? Work? What? Don't do you know what I mean? Like, is a booklet really going to be the most effective thing or in terms of that just talk? Yeah. I don't know if this is the right place or time to say this, but going back to what you going to what said before about schools in Australia, maybe instantly thinking to myself. Yes. I wish we had that kind of programme in my school when I was in high school kind of programme because I had the first kind of instinct, if you like. In my feeling in my mind, Yeah, I like that. They're they're cute. They're cool. Yeah, Yeah. I didn't come out till I was about 20 or three women, I think. So we think. Can you tell us what are doing in terms of, like, resources in schools and like, school programmes? You help me too. Um, at the moment, the education is like basic gender identity and sexual identity. Um, and I've been quite busy at the moment, so I haven't had a chance to start pushing that, um add more to these things. But, like, I have a list of things I want to be taking forward, starting with, like the Facebook group. Then it, like, shift away. I want to do a workshop similar to this, but with the young people. So then they know that their identities are valid because that's something that that guys quite often, it's quite invalidating if you don't hear about these things. So they are the things, but like, um, as an organisation, we're very like that's important. We're going to do that sort of thing, you know, and we make sure that we are including the other voices, So, yeah, in terms of the resource that already exists Do you deliver that, like, as a workshop? Or are you like we can do or, you know, readily available online is not the inside out online and skills can resource that you can download. It has, um, the one. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I think it's interesting that our next few points, but what's going to get kids to access that? Because that really wordy document that's online somewhere. How is that actually going to need some of the things like the train resource? They're not for students. They're for teachers to be better educated. Because if the teachers don't know what they're teaching, then the kids are going to learn sort of thing. So, um, and it's also about thinking that, like, we educate like a year 13 class this year on issues, But then there'll be another class next year, so you've got to get it from a higher up level. So then you have to keep doing it like, you know. Yeah, because I think like, uh, action point that, like I personally like, would work towards the like with my political party personally like we want is to have it, like within the actual sex education curriculum and making sure that, like, you know, I think it was like NC a was redone. Um, in 2010, um, to make sure that we included, um, the Treaty of Waitangi and like Maori, um, issues like right throughout the curriculum, whether it was like, literally every subject, it was integrated into the curriculum. Um and so I think that would be like a big vision like action point that I think would be cool, like, I don't know if other people agree with it would be cool. It's not as like a community to push, but then that's also such a huge thing and not necessarily always effective either. Don't even know just sexy. Because I found out today that Leonardo da Vinci was gay and I was like, I didn't know that That's quite cool. Yeah, And so it's like simple things like that. That's actually something quite key and quite important that should be discussed or even just mentioned when you're learning about these things. So that's maybe like, and like you said something in your presentation, you said English like you don't talk about queer writers, that there was a conference I went to years ago when I was a lot younger. And there's massive discussion about the fact that there's so many people, Um, and like, so many things that are talked about, but you never, ever hear the queer side of things, you know? And so, like, you talk about the French Revolution, But you won't talk about how it affected, like the community back then or whether there was a community then, you know, And so, like, one of the presenters here Yeah, this this evening or tomorrow night is a lecture about Robin That was such like a side point in history. I remember learning about it and just like in one lesson, they were like, Oh, yeah, And they didn't like gay people or disable people very much either. And I was like, really? Like that was like, that was it was like, Oh, yeah, they just didn't really like that much either. And I was like, Oh, OK, that was all, like the extent of how much it was discussed. Yeah, so because when you're teaching about those things and then It's just like validating your identity more right and it's just making you feel like, Well, if these people were hundreds of years ago, then that means that it's totally fine for me to feel that way. So, yeah, I mean, I think the cool thing that I've seen about the inside out resource, um, is that they are trying to get it into all schools. It's a start. It's not be all and end all but it's a start and it's a video and it's fairly short and sweet. And it's a discussion starter for classes. And I think, uh, you know, So the students in the class can talk about stuff, and I think that's really good and the same with, you know, the ministry. It's not necessarily a a queer thing per se, but there's the issue of consent that being a part of sex education, you know, to actually include that sex positivity and that that's not actually mandatory within our and I know that they're trying to push that, and that's for all consent that absolutely has to be in there. And I think I was talking to someone the other day and he said wouldn't it be good if they spent even just 10% of all classes on learning how to be kind and respectful to each other? You know, having sort of I don't know how you call it, but, you know, just just as much as we let's go and do our sport or let's go, you know, So and I think that's sort of another again, it's moving it to that wider element. But that's really gonna include all those sort of about appreciating difference and diversity. That's what really interests me, because I don't know. I'm just a bit sceptical, I guess, about human nature, especially people growing up who internalise so much hatred that that teaching them about stuff isn't going to change their thinking. It might be helpful for the people who relate to what they're learning. I think that's what education can help. I think it can help more people feel accepted if they are a minority, but I don't think it's able to solve the discrimination, but it can create a safe space. So what the all of us does is it creates a safe space for people with diverse sexuality and gender because it makes them visible. What's invisible and example is I went to they stand up. I went to one last year, Um, lunchtime at a school where I taught and two years before they didn't have this programme. There were 12 or 13 students in that group, including one boy who's now transitioned to a girl who made that public comment in that lunch time statement. And so it was just It's just giving them permission to exist. You, Actually, that's what it does. And then that then brings change because you suddenly have straight students or non Um, LGBT Q students Who, um, then now stand up for the queer person and don't allow that that language to exist. It really I think that's what we saw with the marriage debate. Is it actually like, Personally, I think it wasn't so much. I mean, don't get me wrong. It's great, Great. We can get married. Um, but at the same time, it wasn't so much about that. It was about that discussion to the country, you know, like it became like we worked on it for a term in social studies. Um, yeah, and and it's having that conversation and then all of a sudden, so many high school students were like, Hang on. My parents don't support this, um, where previously they might not have actually even realise that. Yeah, and and having those conversations, Um, And like, I know so many people through that year myself included. That came out because all of a sudden there was this rallying cry, and you could see exactly who it was that was going to be there to support you or perhaps not support you. Um, but you went Oh, there actually are people that if I wanted to talk about this or even suggest that I might be feeling this way. Actually, they are really supportive. And that's what the education does. Is it actually sign posts the safe places? Because my primary school there was no visibility, there was no discussion. In fact, all you've heard was there were no role models, so gas is bad, but it was never talked about, because that's what I think. Yeah, Yeah. Role models, I think, are quite important as well. Like when I was at school, there were no gay teachers, and like of course they were. But they obviously didn't feel comfortable being out themselves. Yeah. And you heard about everyone, Like the people who were around like, um, opposite sex relationships. You know, they talk about all the time. Like, Oh, I went for dinner with my wife. Oh, I did that. So if I had a teacher, that perhaps that that could have been a role model for me, especially if they were a teacher that you like. Yeah, it was possibly made it worse out of my school because there was this teacher who everybody thought was gay and he was an awful teacher. So people associated that with my English teacher lesbian. I know now because I've seen her in recent years. But they gave she couldn't I remember Gay thing came once someone said something like or whatever, and she corrected them. And I remember That's it. That was the only time I all of high school. But I remember I got I got awards and I got given the Oscar Wilde compilation. So obviously they were trying to say, Jason, it's OK that you are who you are. Even though I wasn't out and obviously I had written all over my forehead or something But it was just. But in hindsight, it was funny. They gave me that that collection of writings, but that's all they could do. There was no there was no, I think it is that multilayered education. It's role models. It's older folk like myself. I've got an 11 year old son. So I started meeting, went to school camp down. All the teachers were saying, You know, they say they all ask what you're doing and then I'll start doing some research around and see Oh, you know. So some of they start asking about that, and then they feel this is what my experience is. I usually feel they have to then say to you that I'm a good person. I talk about this to the students and, um so you know, and it's saying to them because, um, in a primary school there were There was probably, um, nearly a dozen other, you know, same sex families with Children at the school and that, but they always talk about Mom and Dad, so we we would have to go and have a chat to the school when we you know, saying what? What are you doing to make things a little bit more inclusive. And we talk about parents and, you know, just just a little, you know, just so I think it's that thing of doing it wherever you can in your own kind of personal life. Of course it's. You got to feel safe to do that as well. And you don't want any kind of bad reflection to come back and you come to get and you know about it or anything. But I know that there was, um, a child at camp who was talking about his two mums and the kids, and his cabin was saying, You don't have two moms. What are you all about? That's Ridic They had no concept that there was anything other than having a male or a mum and a dad and and And that that little kid, you know, he's only 11 having to say. And then one of his that another friend of mine, uh, son, and fortunately one of his friends who was in the room who has got straight parents but said, No, I've met them. And yes, he does have two moms, and I know other people here that have got two moms and they're all like, 00, OK, then And then they just moved on as they do, you know? But it was that thing of it. Still, like, this is a new, you know, only 11. He's trying to work out. Um, you know, I, I There's, uh, other people who have got, you know, trans Children who you know, still very young, you know, eight or nine, trying to navigate all that in the school situation. And it's it's really, really We all know it's really difficult, but I think it's that thing of constantly just challenging. We had a parent teacher meeting yesterday, and so we just talk to, you know, Billy Woods goes, Oh, cool, you know, because we we just we both rock up, and not that he's embarrassed by us, but he knows we're going to just expect the teacher to be totally fine with that and to be, uh, you know, accepting and also going to be using language that's inclusive. So that's all we try to request all the time. So I think the longer you're sort of, I don't know, like, the more you consistently push things as well. The more people begin to expect it of you as well. And so I remember when I travelled back to Auckland for my younger sister birthday, my 13 year old sister was talking to me, telling me about something that her friend said, and she said, Oh, when I told Mum what she had said, Mum said straight away, Oh, Missy is gonna hit that girl you know, because they were talking about like her friend was going. I'm sure that teachers gay he talks so gay, you know, he's just and my sister was like, You're not allowed to say that, you know, that's what I mean by it. It allows those conversations exactly, you know. But like a few years ago, when I came out given she was like, 10 at the time. Do you know what I mean? But like she was had completely no idea she went. Does that mean I'm gay too? You know, like, Oh, what is what even is this like? Are you always going to be gay? Are you just like you know? And she just had zero idea. Whereas now it's such a normal part of her zone that not only is she like? Oh, I get it. But she's like, you know, just standing up for other people as well. Um, so I think like a takeaway for everyone is sort of like, I don't know, we're safe, like, have those kinds of conversations or, you know, like extend it to your friends and family. And then that's also like a ripple effect. Yeah, we'll bring it normalises it, too. So if there's more exposure to it, the weird label it's just someone's life part of their life. Um, I don't want to sound presumptuous, but I think that we've seen the generation filtering to to to the younger generation being far more understanding of of gay and lesbian, because that's what was happening in in the seventies and eighties, was empowering this movement so that it benefits the following generations. And I think now we're at the stage where we've got these other er raised identities, and that's what we need to push. And I think that's something that I don't know. It's one of those things where I'm not too sure how to fix it, but, like, fix it Sounds like really like that sounds really idealistic, doesn't it? we're just going to fix the world, but no, but it's, um Yeah, I don't know, like I've had conversations with my younger sister and she she must have been 3. 5 4 when I had this conversation with her. And frankly, my mom doesn't know that I had this conversation with her because I was like, I don't know if she would let me have that conversation with her. Um, but she was saying something to me about, like, facial hair or something, and I don't know, she was talking to me basically about gender and stuff, and I said to her, Oh, a actually, you know, a woman can have a bed or not Everyone is a man or a woman, you know, And so she's just always had that in her head. And I showed her the video of I can't remember her name. But the singer from, you know Yeah, you know, and I showed my sister she was like, Oh, OK, you know, cool. She looks like the chick from Aladdin. And I was like, Ok, I don't know where that came from. Um but it's Yeah. I don't know like how we have those conversations and make you safe. I don't know how it's a safe thing to do. I'm trying to think up of an analogy because it's a safe kind of that's not sexuality related but could be applied to that so I can help doctors think about things that without feeling threatened. Um, and it's really hard, so scared to talk about sex. But are we talking about sex or gender as well? Because I think I really like Salient Point, and, um, I'm terrible. His name the guy who spoke yesterday. The Italian. Yeah, he had a really good point in his speech that often as well. It's not actually so much about us and our identities that people have a problem with. It's what it says about them and the challenges to them. Um, and I think that's part of what makes people uncomfortable. Having those conversations as well is because I think people are sort of like, Oh, well, I don't know anything and I don't know how to have that conversation, and I don't know how to not be offensive. Um, I've got my world settled down, you know, I don't want it to be and that sort of I remember in year 13, when I did come out, people asked some really ignorant offensive questions. Um, but to be honest, like, I would spend, like, five minutes giving them, like an answer, which they totally like. I was like, Oh, you're gonna want to sit down and they're like, Oh, I just was asking a quick question, you know? But by the time I Yeah, exactly tough luck. You've asked me now, um, but by the time I actually finished answering them, they actually said to me, Oh, shit, Sorry. That was a bloody rude question, wasn't it? And I was like, Well, yeah, um, you know, and they were like, Oh, no, I'm so sorry. And I was like, but like, yes, it was really hurtful. But at the same time, like that person is now going away. But I also know that, like, I'm definitely not in a situation to do that all of the time, you know? And a lot of the time I don't want to entertain like those questions because I'm like, Well, you should know this. And I think that's also what's really hard is it was mentioned earlier that, like, we have to educate people. Like I had to say to my school counsellor, who was the person that I was going to for help, Like I had to educate him, you know? And I don't know. I think that's a challenge in himself. Yeah, that was a sort of strange change, and I don't know what my point was, but yeah, thank you. Does anyone else have, like, general reflections of thoughts and feelings? Opinions, philosophies, ideas? I think we just got to come out at all angles and, you know, sometimes we'll get it right, and sometimes we may not get it, so right. But it's good that people give feedback. I mean, one of the reasons I came today I was gonna go to I mean, I already, um, linked in with them. But I you know, I was really resonated with me when they were saying to you about You can only have five minutes and that thing of always dropping to the end when it's you for working in mental health, child and adolescent was always the little voice. So compared to mental health. And you, you just you just got dropped in the last 10 minutes. So I totally felt I need to go along and support you in your workshop and also just hear about these different things. So I don't feel like I know it all either. And I'm working with. I see quite a lot of young people here, and I want to be more enlightened about all the different things that are going on in the community. So I just want to say thanks for I widen my knowledge already just from being here today. But I think it's really good that you stick up for yourselves, but it's a pain. You have to do that. I guess. I think also like that's just a really good point that maybe in terms of resources as well, like we don't always need resources for other people, but maybe making resources for each other in terms of like, Hey, like, this is how you self-care and this is how like you look after yourself when you're tired and maybe that's something that also, as a community we need to look at, is looking after each other because a few people mentioned that this morning like being really exhausted and like, you know, we don't get paid more. I say wait. To be honest, I'm talking about people like that as well. Who is like, It's the second job. Like you do so much. It's incredible. Like I was just gonna say sorry, I haven't been really engaging. I'm a little bit tired, but I'm really glad that this is just sort of turned into a massive discussion. That was kind of the plan. It was like we sort of the backup plan was that in case the room is full of, like, old sis white gay men, um, we can educate them. But then if the room wasn't filled with old sis white gay men, we would have an opportunity to I understand. But I think it's also good, though, like, I think I really appreciate and respect that, like you're just learning. You know, I like writing something down like, what is that? What is this like? And that's so important. That's one of the most. Like I watched this really, really good YouTube video, which I was going to try and share today, actually, but I was like, I don't know if we're going to have resources and stuff like that. Um, I can't remember who does it. I think it's Jessa Lee or something. Um, but it's a video on how to be an ally. Um, and it's just there is that sounds like a lot of work. Um, they might just post it on the Facebook page or something. If there's a Facebook page or I'll tweet it with the hashtag. Um, but it's really good, because I think sometimes as well we get so caught up and like, Oh, I'm a part of the community. Like of course, I'm a great advocate for, like everyone else, um, that actually, like, we almost forget that we still need to learn how to be an ally to other people in our community. Um, and one of the big things that she talks about in the video is being able to listen, um, not like speaking over people, but actually just elevating other people's voice. You know, I think she said something like she had a gift of male Moore in that part of the video. Um, you know, but actually letting like if you, you know, like, are really passionate about trans issues and stuff, actually like as a bisexual woman. I can't go out and be like, Oh, transitions, transitions that I can be like Listen to this Trans person talking about their issues and, like, let me, you know, elevate this person and talk about their own issues. And so I think it's really awesome that you have come along and just, like, really listened and, like, contributed and taken it all on. I'm more. I wasn't saying I had to take the 45 to 54 age bracket when I arrived to New Zealand to do that. And I didn't like that 45. So I was like, Oh God, he goes, These labels come up. But the interesting thing that is is that youth is categorised as 25 and under. So then, if you're over 25 and you're under 45 then how, like, what are you? You're like a middle youth, you know? So, I, I need to say I am senior youth. No, no, you could say you senior youth, just keep it you the whole way through and we probably would be in this room without white gay man, because a lot of trans women fought at Stonewall and stuff. So if you saw the movie, I have not seen the movie and I don't plan to which movie and they made a movie about Stonewall, and it's very, um, instead of casting a woman like a Trans woman of colour as the main person who started Star Wars, they cast us this white gay men, and it was like, No stop. If I see what's his name, play one more like No, no, no minority character. What's the guy who was like in the Danish girl? And then he was also like Stephen Hawking. I'm like, What is your What is your deal with? Like taking on these roles? Mm. And I'm gonna have to see him because he's in fantastic beats and we need to find them. I go. I know. I was so looking forward to it. Um, shall we do a closing around? We got seven minutes. So I think it is important to know that we're all of this together and no one is should be demeaned. And no one is less valuable irrespective of their sexuality. So there's no I'm not threatened by, um a person who is different to me and and likewise, people shouldn't be feel that way about myself. But the other thing. But it's, you know, and you know whether whether trans people have done great work. Gay men have done great work. Women, um, intersex persons who are fighting for their right now it doesn't. We're all in this together and nobody is superior or less valuable than the other person. And that's really important to be marginalising. But the people who have gone before us, whatever they however they define themselves have made it better for us now. And we often forget that. And it's And when they went to jail for the same reason I was, I'm more likely to go to jail. You get a police officer face. I'm not sure if you were there on Saturday night. So on Saturday night, there was the 30th anniversary of the message. You want to read out your speech? No. And but one of the comments that was very interesting because a lot of the things that we take for granted, like they are just like some not everything is by law. So a lot of the things that we take for granted could be taken away from us very, very easily. So they we say that we're not going to go to prison. But who knows? Like in the next 10 years, Donald Trump is like already trying to become president of America so things could start going down. Donald Trump is not going to be as bad as if Cruz got there. They have an anti LGBT task force in in his team. Um, the values LGBT in the US. Um, and Trump doesn't I don't want Trump to win. He has said that he wants to repeal, of course, but he he's sort of all over the place. But the other two nominees are actually worse when it comes to I think we should have a final thought. This was really great. And I appreciate everyone being here. It was kind of worried you wouldn't have a big turnout, mainly because there's another bisection thing on at the moment. So it's really glad that you're here. Thank you for coming. Yeah, really good to meet him around. And I feel like I've got a lot to play. So thank him because chat. Yeah, you're all beautiful people. Nice to sit in the room with you? Yeah, and thank you for facilitating. Yeah, I think it's been good. I think, like I have some points to go away with as well. Um, and I hope that it's a conversation that carries on and like that. We continue to think about some of the things that we talked about today because I think we brought up a lot of it's like issues and a lot of things that we're not too sure on how to do. And so it'd be great for, like, people to sort of sit on those and have a think about How can we sort of, like develop those ideas more? I love that last statement that all the issues are as important as each other they become, and is that important? It really is. And I worry that sometimes we fight amongst ourselves too much or we snipe at each other. I think that's coming from a place. Of course it is like. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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