The title of this recording is "Kennedy - Beyond Rainbows". It is described as: Kennedy talks about pan-sexuality and being gender queer. It was recorded in Nelson, Aotearoa New Zealand on the 1st November 2013. The duration of the recording is 16 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Kennedy talks about pan-sexuality and being gender queer. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: In the podcast "Kennedy - Beyond Rainbows" recorded in Nelson, Aotearoa New Zealand on November 1, 2013, Kennedy speaks about pan-sexuality and being genderqueer. Over the course of 16 minutes, this narrative addresses internal divisions within the queer community, examining the hierarchy that sometimes imposes arbitrary criteria on what it means to be considered "trans enough." Tensions described include the hurdles of transitioning, including hormones and surgery, and the stigma attached to non-binary and genderqueer identities within both queer and mainstream communities. Kennedy discusses the varying levels of acceptance faced depending on geographical location, noting a stark contrast between the more accepting atmosphere of larger cities like Wellington as opposed to smaller communities like Nelson. Identity, Kennedy asserts, is complex and expansive, yet even within the queer community, there is often a lack of understanding and acceptance towards those who identify as non-binary or genderqueer. There is a common misconception that being part of the queer community equates to a comprehensive understanding of all gender and sexual minorities, leading to a lack of willingness to learn and accept new perspectives on identity. One poignant aspect Kennedy touches upon is the struggle with pronouns. This is underscored by the desire for recognition of non-traditional pronoun preferences such as 'they/them' which are often dismissed or disrespected even among fellow queer individuals. The podcast highlights the significance of accepting and using the pronouns individuals identify with as a basic form of respect. A personal and often challenging aspect for Kennedy has been the process of renaming, a liberating step towards aligning their identity with their external presentation to the world. Changing one's name is underlined as a powerful element in the journey of those in the trans community, aiding in their self-realization. However, this process can be fraught with difficulties, such as the dilemma of not being 'out' to one's family and the need to navigate different aspects of life with varying degrees of openness. The discussion further addresses the fears and potential repercussions of coming out as part of a gender minority to unsupportive families. Kennedy illustrates the burden of living a 'double life,' wrestling with the need to maintain secrecy in certain environments for self-preservation. Kennedy calls for a radical shift in the queer community, advocating for genuine listening, respect for people's chosen names and pronouns, and ceasing invalidation of others' gender identities. Advocating for understanding rather than fear, they stress the importance of the community taking itself seriously in order to foster true inclusivity. The conversation ends with Kennedy's reflections on interpersonal relationships and the mixed levels of acceptance from different spheres of their life. They convey hope for a future where being authentic to one's identity does not require navigating hardships, and where understanding and acceptance are the norms. The full transcription of the recording begins:  Do you think that the queer community is very accepting of people that are in gender and sexual minorities within it? Uh, sometimes I would not say all the time. Um, there's a I think in terms of gender stuff, there's a lot of kind of trans sectional kind of stuff like and all that. And like people like some weird hierarchy where some trans people or some queer people or something, have decided that you have to be trans enough to be considered trans at all. What do you mean by trans? Like you have to have transitioned and had surgery and be on hormones? Or at least be willing to do that until you can be considered trans enough, like there's a lot of sectioning kind of stuff and it's not Is that from within the Trans community itself? Yeah, yeah, And, um, you know, the rest of the community is not all that accepting. Um, I guess it differs where you go. Like I I've been a lot more accepted in, say, Wellington than here in Nelson or anything smaller. Um, and you know, it's not. It's not perfect anywhere, but, um, the queer community and other places definitely seem more capable of understanding that identity is very large. Do you think that that is something which is specific to being in a big city? Do you think it's generally more accepted in larger cities? Um, I think so. Um, I couldn't say why. I think it's I. I think it's just more of a, um, you know, there's a lot more diversity in a big city. Um, whereas in small cities, kind of, you know, everybody knows everybody. Um, if anything changes, then everybody knows And that kind of stuff, and often it scares them in smaller cities. But in big cities, there's kind of, um, yeah, you know, more diverse. You've got to you've got to learn to be more open to things. Not that everybody is, but, you know, So you talked about, um, people being scared before Is that people within the queer community do you think or people more in mainstream communities? Um, probably I'd say more in mainstream. Um, but definitely in the queer community as well. Especially, um, because queer people kind of, you know, say, I, um I told somebody in the queer community that I was gender queer and they kind of tried to accept it, but not quite. And I think that's more of a, um there's a lot of I don't know, Like I said, stigma or something around it, Um, because it's just not heard about much. And, you know, I think where people kind of hide behind Oh, well, we're queer. We know everything. Um, and use it as kind of an excuse to, um, not learn about things and to not stop being afraid of these things. And instead of actually opening up to it, they just kind of hide from it. But they have some excuse for it. Um, would you say that you face more discrimination or or oppression? Um, generally than someone who would be part of the more mainstream queer community being a minority? Yeah, I guess so. Um I mean, I guess from outside communities. Yeah, um, I guess a lot of, um you know, even in queer communities, the big issue is pronouns. Um, what are pronouns for those who don't know, Um, basically, what you prefer to be referred to as so say, um, like, he she they they here that kind of stuff. Um, and I use unit pronouns. And, um, you know, so you prefer to be called. They and them. Yeah, Um, so, you know, I think a lot of stuff around pronouns is difficult for people because, um, I think they're so used to having a like, kind of binary pronouns being used all the time. I can understand being used to that. But, um, I can I can't understand refusing to try and use other pronouns for the people. Like, um, I get mis gendered all the time in terms of pronouns, like people just using the wrong ones. When I specifically said not to, um in the queer Community Queer community as well as, um, the more mainstream community, It's, um not, you know, desirable and II. I have said some stuff about it, but, um, I feel that because people don't necessarily understand a lot about gender identity, um, even in the queer community, they're not, You know, they're not all that prone to accepting it. And therefore, I guess they find it difficult to respect somebody's identity because they don't I. I also say they don't agree with it, but they just don't They don't get it. They don't get how important it is. Would you say that it's more, um, an issue of understanding than of purposefully being hurtful. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Um, I think a lot of the people that I've come across anyway, um, have just had more difficulty understanding a lot about identity. You know, um, a lot of them have, um you know, they just kind of become part of the queer community, and they don't, um, you know, they're not as, um, kind of, well, educated about all the stuff, as others are that have been in there for a while, or, um, you know, so I think that they're just new to it, and they don't really know it. And I think there are some of them that, um, you know, as time goes on, they realise, Oh, you know, this is really important. I need to I need to start, um, respecting this and trying to do it and correcting myself if I'm not. But then there's other people who just I think it's not intentionally hurting people. It's just they think it doesn't really matter because they don't get how you know how hurtful it is. So, in an ideal world. What do you think it would be like to come out as someone who is in a gender minority? Um, in an ideal world, I guess it would just, you know, you wouldn't have to, or you could just, you know, say to somebody, um, you know, Hi, I'm non binary or something like that. And I use these pronouns and I'll just do it And, you know, at least attempt to do it and then correct themselves and everything like that, and actually kind of respect how you identify and respect that it is a real thing, not just something that you've made up to be quick and different. Um, I mean, we're a long way from it, I guess. But, um, I think with the queer community not really trying as hard as they could to understand and respect non-binary people, we're even further away. Like they really need to. Um, you know, nobody's really gonna take us seriously about it if we don't take ourselves seriously. And how do you think we can achieve that? So, what steps can we take as people who are part of the queer community to try and make it a more accepting place for people and minorities. Um, I guess just not kind of just really listening to them instead of just kind of hear it. Like, really, really hear what they say. Um, you know, if, um, if somebody calls you out on pronouns or something, then listen to them and ask, You know, if you know, ask what they prefer you to call them. If somebody changes their name to something that they, you know, feels a lot more comfortable for them, don't use their old name or tell people their old name or something like that and disrespect them. Um, I think we just need to kind of stop, I don't know, like stop, um, kind of invalidating how people feel by saying, Well, you know, we're putting the blame for us screwing things like, you know, screwing up pronouns or names or something onto the person whose name or pronoun we're screwing up. You talked before about, uh, names. Do you think names are very important to people who are in the trans community? Yeah, definitely. Um, I know that for me, Um, changing my name from what my parents called me, um felt really freeing and, um, more independent. Especially because, you know, I haven't told them that, um, I'm doing. Graham told them that I've changed my name for people in the queer community and my friends and all that kind of stuff. Um, and so that was really kind of freeing and made me feel like I've actually got my own identity like I am, you know, my own person. Um, and it's, you know, the name that I have now is a lot more neutral than what I did have. Um and I think that's really important to me. Um, having a kind of a neutral name, because I can I don't know what I'm gonna be every day and that kind of stuff. Um, And I know that because, you know, names are what you are always associated with. It's a like, you know, your main identifier. Um, you don't want that Not, You know, you are clashing with how you feel and who you are. You talked before about, um, your relationship with your parents and telling them that you are part of a gender minority. Is that something which is difficult or a lot of people have to go through. Do you think in your situation I think that it is? You know, it's really difficult, um, being not in the closet, I guess. But not being out because, you know, I've got a kind of signal to my friends, and they come over like, you know, don't call me this Here, um, and use these pronouns and all this kind of stuff, Um, and try and, like, section off different parts of my life for my parents. And, um, I did uni applications, and I used, uh, Kennedy on those, and they got sent home and I had to try and get the mail before my parents did. And that kind of stuff, um and so that's it's really hard not being out. But at the same time, I think it's easier than it would be if I was because, um, you know, now I've just got to kind of hide things, But should they find out at this point, you know, they're not very accepting of that kind of stuff. Should they find out at this point, I don't think that it'll be it'll go down very well. Um, I don't really like to think about what would happen? Because I feel like maybe a blow out of proportion, but I'm just really scared of it. Um, and I know that a lot of people in the same situation, um, often, you know, they're really scared to. Not necessarily. I think it's more than not knowing what would happen. Um, because, as I said before, people are really scared by this kind of thing. Um, it's not something you hear about every day. So especially with parents, Um, you know, you feeling like your identity doesn't exist and them not thinking that it does, um, you know, coming out to them or something they've never heard of is just going to be finding for them, and they may not react. Well, I mean, I've heard good stories of, um, non binary people coming out. Um, but I think for me, I'm just kind of scared of what could happen. Do you think it's very fair that people have to live in this fear? I not at all. I don't think it's, you know, it's not fair at all. I mean, I've become a really good liar, but, um, and it's, you know, I guess you kind of gain certain things like knowing how to hide things should you need to and that kind of stuff, But it's not desirable. I mean, I just want, like, I don't want to have to live in this kind of secrecy. Like, I feel like I'm living some weird double life, but I'm not like it's kind of him. Um and I just, you know, I, I think I think everybody just needs to like, I If I could I would just make it so that everyone just knew about this stuff like they wouldn't have to go through with the education and the stages and stuff they just knew. And it was just OK, but, you know, no. How, um are your friends and peers at accepting who you are because you've talked about your family? Um, most of my friends are really good about it. Um, mainly the ones in the queer community and some others. Um, I, um when I got together with my girlfriend, um, a while ago, I was still going by my old name to her, and I was really worried because everybody else was calling me. Um, you know, this other name and So I you know, she kind of approached me one day and I was really scared of telling her because I was afraid of what she'd say. I was afraid that she wouldn't accept it and all that kind of stuff and had all these fears. And then she kind of approached me one day and said, Would you prefer that I call you this Because everybody else does. And I'm not too sure if that's, you know, a preferred thing. And I just said yes. And then she did. And so that was really nice. Um, most of my other friends have been really kind of accepting, and, um, go along with it when I change my name and respect whatever pronouns I use that day. Um, and then there are others who don't know, and I've or others that say, You know, um, I know you as this. So I don't want to call you what name you prefer, because it doesn't feel comfortable for me. Um, I guess it's a mixed reaction. I try to hang out with the ones that you know are good about it. What about other aspects of your life? So school or work. How do people understand or treat you because of your minority at work Nobody really knows about. You know, they all call me by my old name, so they don't really know about the gender side of things. But is that a choice you've made? Yeah. Um, I think I just couldn't deal with the, um, with all the drama around it because they're all people I work with are very, um, kind of heteronormative and, um, all that kind of stuff. And, um, I yeah, so they, you know, they use my old name and, um, female pronouns and that kind of stuff, um, which is fine. Um, I've learned to kind of accept it at work. Um, but then I get really nervous when people kind of like people that I know, like from the queer community. Come in. And they call me this name, and I'm like, Oh, no, OK, I. I do them first and all that kind of stuff. Um, I don't really know how I could take it if, um, people at work found out, but, um, like it just because when they found out that I wasn't straight, they, um, weren't exactly you know, there were some of them that were kind of, um they were fine with it, but fine with it in the way that they wanted to parade me around to all their friends and go Oh, look, I've got a I've got a gay friend and all this kind of stuff, And then there were the other ones who just kind of refused to talk to me and were really horrible about me and set their friends on me. That kind of stuff. Um, so I just don't want to kind of go through that again with gender, Um, at school. Um, well, I go to an all girls school, so that's, you know, wear skirts and stuff. And that's not really good on days that I don't like, just can't wear skirts. Um, and they all use my old name and, um, you know, female pronouns and all that kind of stuff. But, um, again, I've just kind of learned to accept it there. Um And I run a QS a at my school, and some of the girls that come to the QS a also attend the group, the community QS A in which I'm known by a different name than I am at school, so that's difficult. And I have to kind of come out to them whenever they come along there. And it's confusing and you see why I feel like I'm living a double life. It's, um I guess it's it'll be a lot easier when I can kind of leave and just just use whatever name and everything works for me. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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