The title of this recording is "Adrian - Beyond Rainbows". It is described as: Adrian talks about pan-sexuality and gender identity. It was recorded in Wellington, Aotearoa New Zealand on the 11th November 2013. The duration of the recording is 21 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Adrian talks about pan-sexuality and gender identity. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: Recorded on November 11, 2013, in Wellington, Aotearoa New Zealand, the podcast titled "Adrian - Beyond Rainbows" explores the topics of pansexuality and gender identity through a personal lens. Adrian, who identifies as a pansexual transgender person, candidly shares experiences with these facets of their identity. During the 21-minute podcast, Adrian explains that, unlike bisexuality which traditionally refers to attraction to two genders, pansexuality is an attraction to people regardless of gender, encompassing the whole gender spectrum. As a transgender person, Adrian has experienced a journey from being assigned female at birth to transitioning toward a male gender presentation, including undergoing physical changes. The podcast sheds light on the complexities of existing within minority groups, even within the queer community, where misconceptions and resistance are not uncommon. Adrian discusses facing misunderstanding from both the queer and heterosexual communities. Despite greater acceptance within the queer community, some individuals still express reluctance or lack of comprehension regarding pansexuality and transgender individuals. Adrian’s experiences extend beyond the queer community, facing aggression and hostility in their small hometown of Featherston. They describe the challenges of transitioning in public spaces, referencing incidents where youths would yell slurs, and adults would show disdain and distance themselves from individuals they perceived as different. Understanding and tolerance seemed more prevalent in larger cities like Wellington, although stares and discomfort persisted. Opening up about the concept of "passing," Adrian articulates it as the ability to be publicly recognized as the gender one identifies with, rather than the sex assigned at birth. This is a significant facet for many transgender individuals, deeply tied to alleviating the discomfort known as dysphoria. When discussing coming out, Adrian emphasizes the emotional toll and the varied reactions from family members, from understanding to outright distress. The act of coming out to friends and peers involved a range of queries, curiosity, and sometimes an uncomfortable interest in their personal journey. The podcast delves into how the ideal world would negate the need for a coming out process, seeking a society that accepts changes in self-identification without fanfare or distress. Advice for people encountering someone coming out as transgender includes listening, avoiding emotional outbursts, and providing support and understanding. Adrian further describes the desire for more queer-friendly groups and spaces across New Zealand, urging for solidarity across different identities within the queer community. The ideal is to move beyond limiting societal "boxes" to embrace the diversity of human experiences. In conclusion, the podcast "Adrian - Beyond Rainbows" offers an intimate and poignant depiction of a person navigating gender and sexual identity within varying degrees of acceptance and understanding. It underscores the importance of creating inclusive communities that uphold dignity and respect for all individuals, regardless of their gender identity or sexuality. The full transcription of the recording begins:  What's your name? My name is Adrian. And what sorts of minorities in the queer community are you a part of, uh, pansexual and transgender for those of us who don't know. What does that mean? Uh, so if bisexual is when you are attracted to the two genders of male and female, then pansexual is when you're attracted to all the genders, which can be neither gender, both genders, bits of both. Just anything in the gender spectrum you can be attracted to and being transgender. I'm a trans man. It means I was born a female. But now I present myself as a boy, and I'm going around making changes to myself physically. So I will physically be a boy as well. Is being a part of those minorities difficult for you in existing in the queer community? It's a little bit difficult when you kind of have to explain even to queer people. What? Um what the terms you're using are and yeah, it's a little bit difficult. I mean, the queer community is a lot more accepting, but there are some people who are kind of a little bit against pansexuals and transgender people. Why do you think it matters? Well, I've had a couple of gay people come up to me, and they kind of use the greedy You, um, greedy for wanting both, um, sexes. They say they want You want both sexes to sleep with them. Doesn't it make you pansexual? Bisexual. So and so you're trying your best to kind of explain to them how it's different. And you'd think that they would be the people that would be more accepting of, uh, people who don't fit within the sex assigned to them and that have a different, uh, sexuality than straight. But they're a little bit, uh, close. Some Not all. Not everyone, but some members of the gay community are quite close minded with it. And, um, I know, um, quite a few gays and lesbians that have been freaked out because I've been when I came out as transgender and just and they kind of yeah, freaked out a little bit and thought it was quite odd. What about in the more mainstream community? Oh, jeez. They're horrible. Um, I live in I don't I don't live in Wellington. I just go to school here. I live in the in a small town called and it's pretty. There are lots of little thugs running around in Featherston. Um, so you'll be walking down the street and somebody will know that, uh, you're gay or you're pansexual. You're bisexual. You're Trans, and they'll just scream at you. They will throw things at you. And these are just the kids. The adults are more. They're not as physically abusive, they're more, Uh, they kind of look at you with this disdain, and they make their Children walk away from you because, you know, obviously being gay is contagious, but, yeah, it was really difficult, especially when I came out at school. Um, in high school, I came out as being bisexual because I had no idea what Pansexual was at the time. And I didn't even know it was a possibility that I could be pansexual. And, uh, it was quite weird because you would walk through, uh, the quad, the concrete block at school, and all of these kids would just kind of separate to let you through all of a sudden when they didn't even look at you twice before because they kind of wanted to give you this five metre gap between them because you suddenly became this scary different thing. And that's what I guess people are afraid of. They're afraid of people being different. They're afraid of not understanding. Um, do you think that attitude is something which is specific to small towns like feathers? Oh, it's not to do with small towns at all. I think it's, um I just guess it's because every in the small town that I'm in, everybody knows everybody, Um, and most of us are related. So, um, my town is full of Goss. Well, we have one shop which I work out. And when I came out as a gay there, of course, the old ladies behind the checkouts were telling everyone. So the word got gets around faster. But in big cities like Wellington, I found that if you most people are a lot more tolerant towards it. But they do look at you quite strangely, and people are a little, um, trying to get the word. They're very hesitant to allow people to be different. Um, like you could be walking down the like if a guy was walking down the street wearing a dress. So this is a trans woman, and she's walking down the street wearing a dress, but hasn't quite she doesn't quite pass yet. People will point her out, and they will think she's odd that you will get second glances. But it's a lot less, Uh, people don't point it out as much. They don't go. Oh, you are a and then curse or whatever. They're more likely to kind of just give you this weird look and edge around you. They don't want to confront you when there's all these other people around that could then confront them. But I'm sure if you've got somebody alone or just with a small group of people that you wouldn't have that much difference. It doesn't really matter about big town, small town. It's just a kind of about the person that is mocking or the person that is doing the thing because not everyone is bold enough to kind of point someone out for being different. But some people are, and they will do that, and that can be very painful. You use the word pass before What does that mean? Oh, to pass um, in the world of transgender people is to be able to go out in public and to be seen by everyone as the gender that you are and not the sex you were born as, um So it basically means you're I don't wanna say doing a good job of being transgender, but I'm really lacking words. It's, um yeah, so that you are able to be seen in public as the gender that you are wanting to be as the gender you are and the sex you want to be, Um, without people kind of thinking otherwise is passing important to most trans people. Do you think, uh, I don't know about everybody, but I'm pretty sure it's important to the majority of us who are at least the trans people who are, um, one gender or another gender. I mean, there are people who are non binary, which is totally cool, and they have their own kind of thing. But if you're wanting, if you're a if you're born a girl and you want to, um, be a man, then you kind of wanna have everyone call you a guy and stuff, and it's really weird when they when you go into a supermarket and you order things and they kind of go, Oh, thank you, ma'am. And that's Yeah, it's, uh it's when it comes down to it. A lot of it's due to dysphoria, which is the discomfort and pain that you get by being in a body that doesn't fit you. That doesn't, um, match what's in your head. And you're wanting to be this person that you have in your head. You want to have the person that you are in your head to be visible to everyone else. But you can't quite. You can't have that happen because of your biology. You can't. Um, yeah, it's quite heart wrenching to just walk out on the street and have people kind of immediately go. Oh, that person has a high voice. Must be a girl. That person has boobs. Must be. I mean, I understand why I understand that you know the majority of people, so people just make assumptions, but it's it it it It's still quite painful when, uh, people do get your pronouns wrong and stuff like that. What would you say to people in terms of advice for if someone that they know does come out as trans, uh, for the people, for the people that they're coming out to or the person that they are or the person that's coming out. Um, but the people that they're coming out for the people, um, they're coming out to. So if somebody is coming out to you as Trans, please try your hardest not to cry in front of them. Is that something you have experienced? My grandmother burst into tears. Um, I come from a very religious family. Uh, my mom and my dad are pretty good. They're they're pretty Chill with it all. I'm not my dad's first, uh, queer child. He hasn't, um I have an older half sister who's lesbian, and so it's kind of OK, And so II I didn't come out as Pan and Trans at the same time. I came out as, um, pansexual quite a number of years ago. And only this year I've come out to my parents as Trans only a few months ago, and I've been slowly building up courage to tell the more religious parts of the family. And, uh, my mum cried. Not when I told her, but a little while after, and so did my grandmother and I understand the theory about why they would be sad, but I don't understand actually, how they are, Um, I get that in their heads. Sometimes it kind of happens like I'm losing a daughter. This is horrible. She's like dead now. But in reality you still have your daughter. It's just your daughter is a son and they're just telling you that. And that's quite a difficult thing for them to hear. Um, when someone's coming out to you, just listen to them. It may be a little bit difficult at first, and it is probably gonna be a bit of a shock. But if they have gotten to the point where they are willing to tell you and they're ready to confide in you and this is noting that this is one of the most terrifying things I can think of, Um, just as a necessity to keep going on and living a happy life is, you know, and then for somebody to kind of retaliate with anger or sudden sadness, what they really kind of want to hear. Is that OK? I know it may be a little bit difficult to get used to but I'm gonna try and be OK with this and just gonna need to take some time and just think it over and and then hugging because, God, they need a hug. Um, what was coming out to friends like or peers rather than family? I kind of cheated. When I came out, I didn't come out to my friends in person. I came out to my friends on the Internet. Um, because my friends are on the Internet. Um, I have two mates that I consider my closest friends. And they were the first two people I told and I told them in a mass chat. But it was just the three of us in the chat room, and I was like, Hey, I, uh because for a while I For a while I knew that there were. For years I'd known that there was something not quite right gender wise with me, and I kind of always put it down as either I was neither gender or both gender, but I didn't know when they had already known before that I was going through this kind of weird gender weirdness in my head. And when I came out to them. They were kind of like, Oh, I'm so happy that you figured this out. I'm so grateful that you're no longer mentally kind of hitting your head against a brick wall trying to discover yourself. How was that for you to hear? Oh, it was amazing. They were the first people that I told so to have instant. Yeah, that's fine. And just instant, somebody just taking it. And then they started calling me, um, by male pronouns immediately. And, um, I think one of the first things one of my friends says was Can I help you pick a new name? And I just burst out crying. It was the most amazing I couldn't have asked for, Like a more confidence boosting first coming out as training. What about two people your age that aren't your close friends? Uh, I've had to come out to my class. Um, but luckily I am in a drama school. So, uh, a little showbiz little mantra is Everyone's just a little bit queer in drama. So, um, they were pretty alright with it. Some people still call me by my birth name, and but I get that because you know they? They have known me for about a year before I go in. And you can't just expect people to suddenly switch. It doesn't work like that. It takes I still call myself on my birth name sometimes. Um, but they were pretty OK with it. There were some people who were a little bit, uh, not OK. They they weren't They were OK with it. They just weren't They just didn't understand it. They weren't pleased with it. They weren't comfortable with it. They were kind of curious in a way. And when when you come out, I guess, um, people tend to think of Oh, there must be fun talking about everything. So they ask you really personal questions about being trans and your sexuality, and you just kind of wanna tell them to bugger off. Um, but you can't because, you know, they they they are. They're not being curious to harm you. They're being curious because they want to understand. And as frustrating as it is that they don't really understand, you have to be a person and help make the world better by allowing them the opportunity to understand if that makes sense. So it's telling people my age is kind of less frightening than telling, um, people older than me. People older than me tend to be not as open to the idea of people with their agenda being different than their sex and different sexualities. But people my age are pretty much OK with it. So yeah, I've had a I think I've had a pretty good round with people my own age. So in an ideal world, what would the perfect coming out process be? Uh, the coming out process would not happen in a perfect world, Um, because it's just terrifying. I guess, um, coming out in a perfect world would be just it being a thing as simple as I'm going to dye my hair brunette, and I'm going to keep it like that kind of thing. But it it's not because, yeah, I it's people make a really big deal out of it because it is a really big deal. But in a perfect world, you'd kind of hope that it wouldn't be. You'd kind of hope that it's like, OK, I respect that. I understand that Let's carry on with our lives. Let's move on. But that's not how things tend to happen. What can people both queer and and more mainstream communities do to try and make the world a more perfect place for people coming out as either gender weird or sexuality wise? I think I think having more places that are kind of queer friendly. I've only recently discovered, um, trans groups in Wellington and I really wish there was more of them around New Zealand because, like, it's, it's, it's it's great to kind of be among the community and with, um, people that are more mainstream gay. I guess it would be nice if they just kind of went OK. Now this person is struggling with You know what, people kind of what people call normal. They're struggling with fitting into their these perfect little boxes that society has for them. They they don't fit either. So let's just support each other. Let's not go well. You didn't fit into their boxes, but you don't fit into our boxes, either. Let's just get rid of all the freaking boxes and just everyone has. Everyone has their own box, so we don't have boxes at all. Just it's it's silly how people can just go? Well, yeah, I'm different, but my kind of different is better than you're different. My kind of different isn't as abnormal, my kind of different. You know, I've had people saying to me that God was OK with me being gay, but he isn't OK with you being Trans, and I don't understand that at all. It's M, mainly because I don't really understand the whole bringing God into sexuality and gender. Anyway, that's just a whole different topic. But yeah, just realised that we're still humans and all humans should not be mean to other humans. When we're just trying to, everyone's trying to figure themselves out, and some people are just stuck in situations where they have figured themselves out. But they just can't physically get to that point where they are themselves, physically or mentally even. And yeah. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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