The title of this recording is "40 Years Since Homosexual Law Reform". It is described as: Audio from the Rainbow Wellington event held at Parliament to mark the 40th anniversary of the introduction of Fran Wildes Homosexual Law Reform Bill. It was recorded in Parliament buildings, 1 Molesworth Street, Wellington on the 11th March 2025. This is a recording of an event and features the voices of Benjamin Doyle, Fran Wilde, Sam French, Shanan Halbert and Todd Stevenson. Their names are spelt correctly, but may appear incorrectly spelt later in the document. The duration of the recording is 32 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: Audio from the Rainbow Wellington event held at Parliament to mark the 40th anniversary of the introduction of Fran Wilde's Homosexual Law Reform Bill to Parliament on the 8 March 1985. Thanks to MP Shanan Halbert, Rainbow Wellington and the speakers for allowing this event to be recorded and shared. The content in the recording covers the decades 1960s through to the 2020s. A brief summary of the recording is: The audio recording captures an event held at the New Zealand Parliament on 11 March 2025. Organised by Rainbow Wellington, the gathering marked four decades since the introduction of Fran Wilde’s Homosexual Law Reform Bill to Parliament on 8 March 1985. The event brought together political leaders, activists, and community members to reflect on the past, acknowledge progress, and address ongoing challenges facing the LGBTQIA+ community in Aotearoa New Zealand. The event began with a karakia and formal acknowledgements by Sam French, who represented Rainbow Wellington. French paid tribute to the pioneers of law reform, particularly those who had passed away, including Bruce Burnett, Carmen Rupe, and Georgina Beyer. French also recognised the efforts of historians and archivists in preserving the stories of LGBTQIA+ activism and history. Attendees included community leaders, politicians, and members of various organisations supporting LGBTQIA+ rights. Labour MP and host, Shanan Halbert, then addressed the audience, expressing gratitude for the work of past activists and political leaders. Halbert emphasised the intersection between politics and LGBTQIA+ rights, acknowledging key legislative achievements such as civil unions, marriage equality, the banning of conversion therapy, and gender self-identification laws. However, Halbert also voiced concerns about the current political climate, particularly the actions of the government regarding transgender rights, access to gender-affirming healthcare, and the removal of relationship and sexuality education guidelines in schools. Halbert criticised the presence of groups like Destiny Church, which he accused of promoting discrimination and intimidation against LGBTQIA+ communities. He urged continued advocacy and solidarity to protect and advance human rights. Dame Fran Wilde, whose efforts led to the decriminalisation of homosexuality in New Zealand, then spoke. Wilde reflected on the challenges faced during the 1980s, particularly the widespread prejudice and misinformation about gay men. She highlighted how public perceptions changed as more individuals came out, demonstrating that LGBTQIA+ people were ordinary members of society who deserved equal rights. Wilde also expressed concerns about the rise of conservative and extremist movements both globally and in New Zealand, warning against complacency in the fight for human rights. She encouraged younger generations to remain vigilant and proactive in ensuring that progress was not undone. Following Wilde’s speech, Benjamin Doyle of the Green Party addressed the audience. Doyle, who identifies as takatāpui and non-binary, spoke about the interconnected struggles of marginalised communities, particularly Māori, transgender, and non-binary individuals. Doyle also shared personal reflections on parenting a transgender child and the need for continued advocacy to protect young people’s rights and access to healthcare. Todd Stevenson of the ACT Party then spoke, acknowledging the significance of the event. While avoiding direct engagement with specific policy criticisms raised by other speakers, Stevenson affirmed the party’s belief in individual freedoms and encouraged open dialogue on LGBTQIA+ issues. The event concluded with reflections on progress made and the challenges ahead. Speakers emphasised the importance of continued activism, political engagement, and community solidarity in ensuring that LGBTQIA+ rights remain protected and expanded. Attendees were reminded of the struggles that had paved the way for legal and social change and were encouraged to keep advocating for a more inclusive and equitable society. The full transcription of the recording begins:  I'll open with a karakia and then I'll hand it over, um, to Sam and the team. Nō reira, mi inoi tātou. Manawa mai te mauri nuku, manawa mai te mauri rangi. Ko te mauri kei a au, he mauri tipua. Ka pakaru mai te pō, tau mai te mauri. Haumi e, hui e, kāe ki e. Ngā mihi nua ki a koutou katoa. Kia ranginui rau a kaupapa tūānuku. Tēnā koutou. Ki ngā tīna mate kua haere ki te pau, haere, haere, haere. Ki te whare paremata e tū nei, tēnā koe. Ki ngā mana whenua au tēnei takiwa, te atiawa, ngā Taranaki whānui, tēnā koutou. E ngā mema paremata, tēnā koutou. E ngā rangatira au ngā hapore anewanewa, tēnā koutou. E ngā mema o Rambo Wellington, tēnā koutou. Rau rangatira, mā, tēnā koutou. Kua honore, honore ahau. Nō Engarangi mei kotirana okitipuna, nō Warapa au, nō Tinui te kāinga, ke te Whanganui -a -Tara au e noho ara. Hei kaiwhakahaere au e Rambo Wellington, ko Sam Brinch ahau. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Kia ora and welcome very much, um, on behalf of Rainbow Wellington, uh, this evening. And thank you very much, first of all, to Shannon and the Labour team for hosting us in their caucus room here. Um, just agenda in terms of what we're gonna do now is... I'm just going to acknowledge some people and a little bit of history, and then we'll hand off to Shannon and other MPs who want to speak. Um, and then we will let you get back to it before Shannon kicks us out at 7 . 30. Um, firstly, I just wanted to acknowledge, um, those people who, um, have passed away and, um, who fought so hard for us to be here today. Um, especially those who, um, passed away from HIV and AIDS. Um, so some people such as Bruce Burnett, uh, Carmen Rupe, and Georgina Beyer. Um, I wanted to thank Dame Fran Wilde for being here. The woman of the hour. Um, when I was googling and found an email for, um, Dame Fran on the internet and sent her an invitation, I didn't actually think she would respond, but she did very quickly. Um, Dame Fern is on a million different boards and um, has been in Auckland today um, with one of them and um, has come back early to come and join us. So thank you very much for being here. Um, once again, thank you to the MPs who are here, um, Shannon will, uh... know them better than me and, um, point them out to you. And then finally just some apologies of people who, um, wanted to come were, um, Mayor Toi Whanau, um, and Des Smith and John Jolliff who, um, are amazing activists, um, who were very involved, um, the whole way through and are basically the reason we have Pride Festival. Um, they wanted to come, um, but, uh, John's mobility is a little, not quite what it used to be. Um, and then, um, our amazing Grand Marshal from the Pride Parade, Willie Smackintosh, um, um, Em Darling and, um, Hannah, um, Darling, uh, they send their apologies as well. And then just some of the people in the room who I know were very involved at the time, I want to acknowledge, um, Bill Logan. I saw a great picture of Bill, um, and Dame Fran, um, at the, from the time, um, and we have Brett Warnsley. Where's Brett gone? And my research, um, probably something that, um, Gareth or, um, Gavin wrote was, uh, that Brett was the original secretary of the Dorian Society. Set the first, um, gay group set up in New Zealand in 1962. 1962, when he was 19? 18? It happened before Grindr. And like I mentioned, I would not know some of those things without the amazing record keeping from the people from Kawemahara, the Queer Archives of Aotearoa. Um, Gareth at PrideNZ . com and, um, of course, Gavin Young, our esteemed historian, who we're very much looking forward to, um, reading his book when that comes out. Um, this room is an amazing mixture of Rainbow Wellington members, members of Parliament, and community leaders. Uh, there are people from... dozen different rainbow community groups in this room. Um, so thank you very much for coming. Um, we also have some people from, um, our Rainbow Wellington corporate members, um, such as Martin Jenkins, um, Gibson Sheep, um, Peter Mata, uh, consulting, um, DPMC and NEMA. Um, But, thank you very much to all our members, um, for supporting what we do. We managed to give out, I think, over $8 ,000, um, in grants over Pride Festival. Um, and that comes directly from your support. Applause Um, and I just wanted to also thank Tiana from Shannon's office for the work in helping me, us organise this, um, and my spamming her. So, thank you very much. Um, I will hand over to Shannon now. But, um, thank you for having us. Takatāpui mā, whānau mā, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, mauri ora ki a tātou katoa. And thank you very much, um, Sam and the team for enabling us to host you here at Te Whare Pāremata, the New Zealand Parliament. It's wonderful, uh, to have you all here. Um, it's Pride Month, so happy Pride, everyone. It's a chance for us to, to celebrate, to be together, um, tu whanaungatanga. Um, and to talk about the issues of the day. And you will know that I'm a believer that politics has a place in pride. That's how we got to where we are today. And no doubt, you know, it absolutely hasn't been easy. And I'll come back to that. Can I acknowledge Dame Fran Wild? E mihi atu ki a koe e te mā reikura o te whare nei. Tēnā koe. Thank you for the work that you did so long ago. Um, and thank you for being here tonight. Can I acknowledge, um, our Labour Party Rainbow representative, Michael Gibbs, who's here tonight. Our members of Parliament, Labour's Rainbow Caucus. Aisha, I see you there. Glenn, I see you there. Tangi, I see you there. Uh, Labour Caucus that are here this evening. Deputy Leader, Carmel Sepuloni. Tēnā koe. Um, to Benjamin and to Todd, our Rainbow members of Parliament. Tēnā koutou, welcome to the Labour caucus room. But as we celebrate pride together, uh, I'm concerned, and I know you are too, that we've got some big challenges in front of us with the government of the day. And, uh, while we celebrate the success of our past and the progress that we've made tonight, Recognising and acknowledging and remembering homosexual law reform. Decriminalising sex work. Civil unions. Marriage equality. Banning conversion therapy. Self -ID. Ending HIV action plan. Those are the things that have led us to where we are today. And it has been done collectively. But can I acknowledge some key people? That I stand on their shoulders in the role as Labour's Rainbow spokesperson. Georgina Beyer, Tim Barnett, Louisa Wall, Chris Carter, Grant Robertson, Can I acknowledge Claudette Hawiti who's in the room, Tamati Coffey and Kitty Allen. Key people that have helped us all achieve the progress that we have wanted to see. You might have seen this morning that I was, uh, in a rumble with Mark Mitchell. And I'm okay with that. But because as many of us have celebrated pride across the country, we've been confronted with the hate of Destiny Church and Brian Tamaki, a gang, a group of thugs. They intimidate, they damage property, they storm libraries, and they stand outside our kids' schools telling them that they can't be who they are. I don't accept that, and I don't want to, and I know you don't either. But something has to change at the moment, and so my job is to hold the government to account, to hold Mark Mitchell to account as the Minister for Police, saying, Good, you might be managing the situation at each event. Thank you very much. New Zealand Police do a great job. Splendid. But actually you need to do more. I want you to apply the same methods that you do to gangs to Destiny Church to intimidate to make people feel unsafe I want you Mark Mitchell to uphold the commitment that you made to make New Zealanders safe in their own communities. There's no exception for the rainbow community. There's no exception for us. Similarly, I don't accept that Minister Erica Stamford has removed the relationship and sexuality guidelines in our schools, the thing that's, that guarantee the safety of our kids, that teach them about consent and good relationships, that she has removed those, and despite a commitment to replace them in Term 1, she hasn't. And she refuses to meet with our rainbow groups that have asked. I don't accept that. I don't accept that the government have taken an attack on our kids accessing puberty blockers. I just don't. We committed to gender affirming care. We want people to be who they are. Before it's too late. Before they have to go backwards. I don't accept that that's turned into a political debate. Not actually one about good health practice. That's advised by health practitioners. That's supported by whānau. They're the right people to make those decisions. I don't accept that that is a cabinet decision. It's just not acceptable. And those are only a handful of things. And I don't say those things tonight just to fight against the government. Because politics in this instance isn't actually going to achieve the outcomes that we need for our rainbow community. And nor is fighting. It's the, in the spirit of solidarity and kotahitanga, that we need to come together as Aotearoa New Zealand to agree on what we need, how we support each other, and how we rebuild communities in this country. And that includes all of us. It includes all of us. Tātou katoa. But the other thing that is important in acknowledging that I stand on the shoulder of our rainbow giants, and Fran Wild, There's loads more progress that we need to make. Dealing with the here and now, and looking to the future, and what do we need to achieve next. And tonight we celebrate and recognise homosexual law reform. But it's now our job, all of us, to stand up, support our trans whānau, support our non -binary whānau, and support our intersex takatāpui whānau. We must do that collectively. We have to do it together. So finally, can I just thank each and every one of you tonight for coming along. To sharing in this kaupapa, there's plenty more wine and lots more food to chew the fat on. But thank you for coming and sharing this space that is your space, the people's space, and highlighting the importance of what is in front of us and setting our sights on the future of what's to come. Nō reira, e mihi ana kia koutou, tēnā koutou, mauri ora kia tātou. Um, I'm gonna hand over to... Uh, Dame Fran Wilde, just for a few words, because I can't possibly do any better than she can. Um, but one of the quotes that she said, that it was the gay men who came out that were the real heroes. Please put your hands together, Dame Fran Wilde. Thank you. Kia ora katoa. Um, hello everyone, all my friends here. Um, I can't name everyone in the room. All the members of Parliament, if I try I'll miss one of you out. Good to see you all here. Um, and I particularly though do want to mention Bill and Brett and Gavin who were part of the team back Was it 40 years ago? But I'm not that old. I just, none of us are. Bill and I are just saying it's just nuts. But actually, um, but I actually want to talk about it now. It was the gay men who came out because, um, most New Zealanders then thought they didn't know any, there were no gay people, they were all perverts. The few of them that there were were all completely... You know, child molesters. And when, um, people started coming out, they realised that people they knew were gay, and actually they were just ordinary guys that, you know, they're friends, workmates, brothers, sons, husbands in some cases, and they were gay. And they were just ordinary Kiwis, and they deserved to be not criminal. But I do want to talk about today, because I'm really worried about where we're going. Um, so I've just been in Auckland for a couple of days. I chair something called the Asia New Zealand Foundation. We've had a big meeting in Auckland of our honorary advisors, who are all these, the great and the good from around Asia, but they're all, uh, so they're academics and Um, business people and even the Minister of Defence from Singapore. And all of them, to a person, are really worried about what's happened in the US, and the implications of that for all of us, for the whole world actually, and how to manage it, like none of us know how to manage it at the moment. But the interesting thing that was said was, this wasn't just Trump being elected and doing all this. This was actually building up and actually it should have been addressed and the, frankly, the Democrat should have done something about it and talked, you know, done something, but it just was let go and this big head of steam built up and then Trump was elected and although he's moving much faster and in a most terrible way that anybody else would have. The, the trend is there and it's kind of, you can see it in Europe too. And frankly, I think we have to be really vigilant and, um, make sure that this, well it is happening in New Zealand, we know that, although destiny seems to have got a bit out of favour, which is great. Um, but, you know, it's there and we can't let this sort of thing happen again. So, um, I'm just really, I don't, I'm I'm not really old enough to retire yet, I'm not retiring, I've got other things to do. Um, but those of you who are a lot younger, you have to really make sure that we don't let our society go the way that the U . S. has gone now, where they're basically in danger of a civil war, because of the real issues that we care about, that are really important. Human rights issues, fundamental human rights issues, that are important to everybody. And they're now being trampled all over, you know, by the government, the elected government of the day. So, please, can we make sure that Aotearoa doesn't go that way? Um, and, uh, look, um, I don't know what to say. It was, we ran a campaign to change the law then, it was much easier because there was no, no social media. Do you agree with that Bill? It would have been just so ghastly with social media. I can't imagine what it would have been like if it had been today. But, um, now it's more complex, um, young people in particular have got, it's much more difficult for them. You all know this, um, And, uh, I've got grandchildren and, you know, my granddaughter's 20. She's at uni in Amsterdam, actually. But she was in New York and all these things were going on. Glad she's not there now. But, you know, we need to make sure that we look after our society and make sure it goes the right way. And we don't let the nutters take over. Uh, the, the kind of destiny church use them as the stereotype of all of the, that kind of senseless, um, uh, thought that, that, So, thank you everyone for all the work you're doing. It's fantastic that there's still a really strong Rainbow community. Um, there are many, many issues still. I mean, you know, we've, um, Shannon talked about the different, you know, thresholds we've had of, you know, civil unions and gay marriage and da -da -da, all the rest of it. There's still more challenges, and particularly for young people, we all know that. And, and that's really where I think we should be focusing our... Our energy at the moment. Um, and making sure that they're looked after and nurtured and have a, have the space to be whatever they want to be. Um, and that's to me is really the most important thing. So, thank you all for being here. It's really amazing, 40 years, would you have imagined it Bill? Nah, I mean we, ha ha, we're even still, we're still not 6 foot under which is good. So, you know, it's a good place to be, it's above, not below. And um, Brett and Gavin and anyone else here that was involved, thank you very much. It was an amazing campaign. Um, and, uh, it was a great collaboration. I'm sorry that Dez can't be here and John. Dez was incredible. He worked in my office every night. I was the labour whip and, uh, he worked, came in every night and helped us. And came out. We all knew he was gay, of course, but he had to come out. He was, he came out. He had to, somebody said one night, Des has got something to tell you, and I said, oh yeah, okay, right. Okay, anyway, look, thank you all for the work you're doing, keep it up. Uh, it's not over, I mean, it's just humanity, we're never going to have a perfect society. There will always be struggles of different sorts. And I think this is a really critical one. Um, I'm going to the Featherstone Parade on Saturday. And, um, You know, I just thought, oh God, wouldn't it be terrible if Destiny turned up there? I don't know what they'd do. I'd be instant, but anyway. So, so, thank you all. Thank you for doing this, and good to be here tonight. So in the spirit of kōtahitanga, I'd like to invite my friend Benjamin Doyle, Rainbow spokesperson for the Green Party. And can I just acknowledge Benjamin, he's, uh, since he's stepped into the role, he's been a real trooper at working collaboratively, keeping in touch, ensuring that him and I are on the same page, uh, for better outcomes for our rainbow community, so. I'm loath to follow such, like, excellent kōrero, but ko te mea tuatahi e rereana te mihi, uh, ki a koutou i tēnei ahi pō. He mihi kātika ki te mana o te whenua, uh, ki ngā rau rangatira mā, tēnā koutou. Um, ae, pai te kōrero. Tino hariko a taku ngākau i te rongo, i te kite ki a koutou. Ko waiau, ko Benjamin Doyle tōku ingoa. Ko they, them ōku tūkapi. He tangata whaikaha. He takatāpui. He pāpa ahau. He mema paremata hau ahau mo te pāti kākariki. Ae, koina. E mihi ana ki a koutou. So my name's Benjamin. Uh, my pronouns are they, them. Uh, I'm a very new member of Parliament for the Green Party. Uh, I hail from Te Tai Tokerau on my mother's side to Ngāpuhi. To Waikare, the Hokianga and Kaikohe. On my father's side, I am Irish, hence the last name Doyle. Um, I am living currently in Kirikiriroa with my, my tamaiti and my partner. And, um, obviously I'm really privileged to be here. And it's a, it is a privilege that I don't take lightly. Because our community requires such, um, advocacy and strength and elevation in this place particularly, and it's my responsibility and Shannon's responsibility and all Rainbow MPs to actually elevate and amplify the voices of our communities, which is why it's such an honour to be here. And to speak in the presence of such, um, incredible advocates throughout the generations. And I just want to mihi to those people who are here who have worked so hard in the past, uh, so that we may be here. Uh, in my maiden speech, I especially honour Faya Georgina Beyer, um, who, um, the day prior I had been thinking of as it was Trans Day of Awareness. Um. And it was also the day, or the week after the Hikoi Mo te Tiriti. So there's this real, um, Confluence of really important kaupapa that we must resist, but also that are interconnected. And I think we must acknowledge that, you know, this struggle for trans, takatāpui, rainbow liberation is connected inherently to our struggle against colonization, against... Um, the tirade of capitalism, which seeks to suppress our minority communities most severely. So, it's important that we shed light on those who are most negatively affected. Many of us have privileges which keep us safe from the most extreme, uh, violences of the state. And so I really want to, uh, speak to that here and bring that into this room, that our, uh, black, brown, indigenous, trans whānau are suffering disproportionately, our homeless whānau are suffering disproportionately, and we must continue to talk about that. We cannot let them... evaporate from our thoughts because they are not in the room with us. So I just want to bring that into our consciousness today. I am Takatāpui, non -binary, and I am a parent of a trans tamariki. And my child is getting to an age now where they will... potentially want to access gender -affirming healthcare. And it's so important that we keep our tamariki at the forefront of everything we do. I just, um, can't help but bring my tamariki with me into the chamber when I'm there. And every conversation I have, because every decision that is made by this government will affect my, our, mokopuna. And so when we are debating the existence of trans and non -binary people, when we are debating whether or not there should be relationships and sexuality education that include Curriculum guidelines around sex, sexuality and gender, not just consent and healthy relationships. About who we are and how we exist in the world, I'm thinking about my tamariki. And I know that many people here will be thinking about the mokopuna that they carry with them. I just want to finish by saying that, uh, Tonight, I feel very reminiscent about a brief but, uh, exceptional Opportunity I had to spend about a year, uh, taking care of some of the AIDS memorial quilt panels when I worked for the, uh, New Zealand AIDS Foundation, Burnett Foundation, Aotearoa. And I travelled around a little bit with those panels, especially those of our Takatapui elders. And those panels were... Taonga, of course, because they represented our loved ones and our tūpuna, but also because they were a portal for young people to connect with the generations from the past who we have lost, and whose stories are not being spoken aloud enough. And tonight, I feel that, Mauri, and I am reminded of that treasure that I had access to, and that I think, uh, like many of our treasures from the past, deserve to be brought back into the light, so that we can continue to bring them with us into the future. Um, na reira, uh, he mihi maioha, he mihi aroha ki a koutou i tēnei pō, nōku te honorei, e tū ana au, kei konei, um, mā, mā, raro, uh, i te whare, i te rangi, i te mauri aroha, kei wāinganui i a tātou. And then our, our third speaker tonight, can I welcome Todd Stevenson from the ACT Party. Thank you very much, Shannon, for the opportunity just to say a few words. And, uh, thank you to, uh, Rainbow Wellington for putting this function together and for Labour for hosting it. And, uh, to Dame Fran, thank you for being here. I mean, it is important to mark occasions like this, like 40 years. Uh, it's, oh gosh, it's an amazing, um, thing to think back. Um, I was actually a young man 40 years ago, hard to believe. And so, um, I can remember, obviously I was still reasonably young, but I can remember the debate around this law going on in the background. And I remember the kind of current affairs of the day. Um, you know, it's not lost on me that my opportunity to be here as a member of Parliament for ACT, um, is because of, uh, the work that was done back then and all of the other reforms. So, um, this is, you know, a really important occasion to mark. Um, I, I am the, uh, ACT Rainbow Caucus, so there's a lot of agreement. Um, I'm actually, I'm probably the entire, um, government Rainbow Caucus. So, there's a lot of agreement, uh, within, uh, uh, our Rainbow Caucus. Um, but look, I, I do also want to echo what you said, Dame Fran. You know, human rights are... I think increasingly important and I don't think, again, we take a lot of, um, the rights that we have in New Zealand for granted and we shouldn't and we do need to think and look to, um, what's happening in other countries and say these are actually sacred and we do need to continue to protect them and talk about them and so, again, um, I'm not gonna, um, go through some of the, uh, policy and I think you put out, both put out some challenges, uh, tonight and I'm not gonna go through some of the, uh, challenges tonight. Um, but all I can say is my door is always open and I'm always, uh, ready to have a discussion and to have dialogue and to listen, uh, and to learn and try and work through some of these things. Um, so I'm very happy to do that, but, um, you know, very kind of, uh, this, you to invite me to say a few words tonight and be here at this function. Um, but please, uh, always feel free to, to reach out. Um, and thank you. Uh, whatever you think of ACT, we actually do believe in fundamental human rights, and we will protect those, so, I know, good to know, isn't it? Um, um, but they are very important, and as a, as a classical liberal party, they're actually the bedrock of what we believe in, and individuals having those rights protected, and being able to live and be who they want to be, and, and thrive and prosper in their own individual ways. So, uh, thank you, um, yeah, and uh, thanks for having me. Thank you very much to our MPs, um, and Anne Friend for speaking. That was, um, great. Uh, I just wanted to close with thinking about, for the younger people in the room, what's been and what's coming. Um, if you look up on the wall there, you see one type. Of New Zealand Government. And, uh, Brett was telling me earlier today that, um, security in Parliament didn't, wasn't what it used to be. He was, um, popping in and out of, um, Jane Fran's office all the time. But, I'm not sure if at that time, you could have imagined An entire room here in the Labour Caucus room, where I literally don't think there's a straight guy here. Oh, really? I'm ready! Shanil, you're supposed to be on security. Um, did everyone follow the rules and not invite Brian? Um, but, um, at the weekend, um, I was with the Wellington Pride Parade, which, um, Craig did such an amazing job of organising. And, um, I was there with, um, organised the Rainbow Wellington group marching, and I had, um, my fiancé with me, my sister with me. Her, um, kids, and we had carrying our banner, um, some kids from Onslow College, so, um, So, the kids are okay, and if, um, we keep working like, um, Dame Fran said, to look after them, um, they're going to be okay. So, thank you. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. 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