The male couple who founded CUBSS, the Civil Union Bill Supporters Society, are delighted the bill has passed its first hurdle. John Jolliff, 75, and Des Smith, 64, have been together 18 years. Both were disturbed at some of the comments made by MPs during the debate, which included an inference from NZ First deputy leader Peter Brown that gay men shouldn't have access to children. The couple, both fathers, say they plan to take advantage of civil union legislation if the bill passes. "We do know it would involve family and friends and would be a very special occasion," says Jolliff. "You don't get into a legal relationship with someone you want to live with, you get into a legal relationship with someone you can't live without."