Do You Like What You See?

The recording, titled "Do You Like What You See?," features a candid conversation with David and Ian Kember, two gay photographers discussing their work and experiences in Wellington, Aotearoa New Zealand during the 1980s and 1990s. In the 15-minute podcast, they delve into the unique insights gained from photographing individuals in intimate settings and events, revealing stories and backgrounds that may otherwise remain unspoken.

The photographers discuss the distinctive qualities of photography compared to other art forms such as painting. They reflect on photography's capacity to capture split-second moments, the role of chance, and the balance of input from both the subject and the photographer. This medium allows for a spontaneous and even unpredictable portrayal of its subjects, different from the more controlled and interpretive nature of painting a portrait, where the artist's influence is much more pronounced.

Additionally, the podcast addresses how the act of photography at events, such as the 'Beacons of Hope,' transforms the photographer's experience. Being behind the camera alters their emotional involvement, enabling them to capture high-quality images and perfect technical details while often missing out on the event's emotional resonance experienced by participants.

An interesting tension arises in the photographers' interactions with their subjects. They highlight the varying comfort levels among members of the gay community with being photographed and identified at gay events, contrasting with the general nonchalance of straight allies present. This apprehension reflects broader issues within the gay community, such as internalized homophobia and the fear of being outed publicly, as a photograph is a permanent record that could be circulated without consent.

The conversation moves towards discussing the complexities of scheduling and working with gay men and their partners, noting a cautiousness in committing their partners to be photographed without consent. This reflects a broader conversation about consent, respect, and confidence within interpersonal relationships and societal norms.

The photographers further discuss the role of the Lesbian and Gay Archives of New Zealand (LAGANZ), which once operated out of the Gay Rights Resource Centre and contributed significantly to the Homosexual Law Reform Bill in the 1980s. Despite arson attacks, valuable materials were safeguarded by the chief librarian of the Turnbull Library and preserved for public access, though under restricted and controlled conditions to protect the privacy of individuals.

Lastly, the photographers emphasize the importance of creating a visual history of the gay community — to celebrate diversity, to acknowledge accomplishments, and to document the societal dynamics which fluctuate over time. There is a recognition of the precarious nature of the community's societal acceptance, which, as history has shown, can recede as swiftly as it advances. Documenting and archiving serve as pivotal means for ensuring the visibility and legacy of the gay community in the societal narrative.

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