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Rainbow Youth is a queer youth organisation that has been running for 21 years. It's based in the Auckland region in at 2 81 K Road, where its current drop in centre is. It gives education throughout the greater Auckland area to high schools and universities and organisations. It offers teacher training. It [00:00:30] is run by youth for youth. There is a board of 10 young people under 27. All of the members are under 27 and they vote for that board. It also runs. Some of those members are also volunteers and they facilitate groups. We have nine groups currently. About two of those groups are just about to start and some of those groups are regional and some of those groups are based in the centre and it also is involved in [00:01:00] advocacy giving information to young people. Um and it has three staff members, um, a full time executive director, a full time educator and a part time administrator, and we're the only organisation in the country Currently, that's a queer youth organisation that has a salaried educator that goes into schools and [00:01:30] what sort of young people do you get coming into the centre. Um, it's It's hugely diverse. I mean, yeah, I. I wouldn't say there was a specific type of young people. We we get all sorts of people coming in for all sorts of different reasons. Whether it's to find out educational stuff or just come in and hang out and use, like, you know, we have lots of different resources here, like the Internet and, um, book and, um, movie library. Like a lot of young people just come and hang out because I think it's just a really [00:02:00] cool space. Um, but yeah, I. I mean, it's really varied. You know, I couldn't really say that it was more one than the other, if that makes sense, But maybe mostly queer or yeah, yeah, yeah, Mostly queer. Um, we get a few people coming in who will, uh, possibly aren't queer, but they'll be looking for information. They might be doing a study or, you know, just want to get a bit more savvy to what's going on. Um, but predominantly. Yeah, quite. Yeah. So you both work in the office, and you must [00:02:30] be fairly flexible about people coming in and talking to you when you're working in that kind of thing. That's an interesting topic, isn't it? We have a very unique work in office culture. Sometimes the staff, I can't quite tell if they're actually queer youth, um, youth who are actually part of the centre. Or if they're staff members, they can be just as as, um, quirky and upbeat as our members. Um, [00:03:00] I guess no. Yes, staff. As staff members, we have young people. They just walk right through the front door. If if there's no one in here to talk to, they just come straight into the office and they seek out whomever they please on the day to talk to some. Usually it's not me. Um, I'm the executive director, and so I'm the oldest in the room. I guess that gives me the Almighty, um, wise old person. Look, that's just not cool. They usually ask if Sam, I think [00:03:30] it's the glasses and the grey hair. But if Sam or Priscilla aren't there, they'll ask after them, you know? Oh, where's Sam today? And they'll go, I don't know. I don't know where Sam is today. Usually just because you know, I, I just love how they actually have so much ownership of their space that we are granted the right to work in it. You know, um, that this is literally their space, and And if they need something, they basically come in and tell us so an example would be on [00:04:00] Tuesday, we had probably five people in the office, and they came in saying, Tommy, we want to change the office around. This place is a mess. And I was like, OK, and we gave them jobs, and, um and originally, they they they were a bit upset because they didn't like the poster being up in the window as long as it had been. That's in the window at the moment. So I did explain to them that that would change shortly. And would they like to clean out the back area? And they basically cleaned out the centre and [00:04:30] were really helpful. So you know, I, I guess, as as as, um, employee, we kind of had to facilitate that. Have you done anything to, um make them feel that this is really the place, or, um, do you think it's just happened? Or I think I mean, you know, I'm one of the the newer kind of additions to rain by youth. But from what I have seen, [00:05:00] I mean, I think that there is, you know? I mean, it's such an open space like it's such a cool space because people can just come in here and they can hang out. And there is such a sense of community, and particularly when you see new people coming in and the other members that are already here are always welcoming and always talk. And I think I think it's more than anything else. I get the feeling that it's it's the young people that that give the other, you know, young people, that sense of ownership and that sense of community and really push that it is this [00:05:30] space, which is really cool. And how did you come to be working here? Um, have you always done community work? I've done a little bit out of the past, Um, but pretty much I saw advertising for a position, and I harassed Tommy mercilessly. Works quite well. And have you always done, um, youth work or queer queer work? Or, um, who did you harass [00:06:00] for a job and the board? Um Actually, if if you ever go for a job at Rainbow Youth, I'll tell you what. Going and meeting the board when you're over 27 is really kind of You have to be quite staunch. You know, the board are, um uh, I. I got the job. Um, I applied, and I was convinced by friends and peers in the community. I did a lot of work in communities in the queer community with trans youth. Um, and [00:06:30] I've worked with trans youth for years and years and years, which involves queer youth work as well. Um, but it's all voluntary. I've never had a paid job, so it was quite a weird experience to get paid to do this sort of work. Um, it's a real privilege, you know, You sort of think Wow, I've got the greatest job in the universe. Um, and because it's such a powerful environment, um, and and I, I applied for the job, and, you know, I got it. Thankfully, um, the board hired me through through the regular [00:07:00] process. You go through employment, you don't have to do, there's no there's no hazing or any kind of you don't have to dress in chicken suits or anything like that. You just kind of apply for a job like normal, and you get it. Um, and and yes, I was part of the process of employing somebody like Sam, Um, and and it's really hard to find people that really understand the community so well, and I think that's what's happened with, um, Rain with Rainbow Youth. We work really hard to ensure that the culture of the organisation [00:07:30] isn't run by staff. It's run by the members, and that's a really we're a human service. So we take every single approach in a human way, so sometimes our process can be really kind of jumbled looking or chaotic. But it means that we're doing things that young people want to do. Anything in particular that you do that would be really different from other places that are staff run and staff focused rather than community or membership focused. Yeah, the [00:08:00] way that the groups run, Um, we we don't I don't have a lot. The staff don't have a lot to do. Like the Facebook page, for instance, is run by facilitators and is run by by volunteers. And so the facilitators are the young people. They're not yourselves. Yeah, The facilitators are all the young people, and the board is all under 27. The whole model is And I think this has been studied in the past because it has been the organisation has been around for 21 years. Um, and every single project [00:08:30] goes to the members, so members can be involved on any level they want. Um, and the strategizing of the organisation is all comes from, um, feedback from the board. That is feedback from the groups. So and research we do is aimed at young people and part of our values and the mission and vision of the organisation is, um what what used to be called youth participation but we just say is youth perspective as youth point of view is young. That's young people doing [00:09:00] stuff, to be blunt. Yeah. Why do you think Rainbow youth is important? Oh, I. I mean, there are so many reasons. It's important. I'm educating, you know? I mean, not just young people. I mean educating everyone. I think that so even with law reform and civil unions, there's, you know, there's still a need and Yeah, hugely. I mean, particularly in small town New Zealand. [00:09:30] I mean, we have a lot of young people, right in that, uh, you know, not from Auckland or Wellington or not from places where I guess education or support, as accessible as it is in the main centres. And, you know, for them to be able to have a place that they that they see that they can go to where they can get this. I mean, it's so important. Um, you know, there is a lot of homophobia out there still, and there is a lot of work that we have to do. Um, and also, I mean, providing a safe [00:10:00] space and a space for I think one of the most important things is peer support. So a place for young people to come together, meet other young people that they can share experiences with and they can relate to. You know, that's that's something that I don't think happens in schools as much. And in other, you know, I. I think this is quite unique. Yeah, so yeah, quite an amazing thing. Do you know how it all got started? How does it become I? I suppose [00:10:30] it started small. And now it's, you know, you've got three paid staff, three salaried staff and actual kind of premises that are, uh, solid and won't go away. We pray, um, to the universe. So, um, as solid as any other community group. Yes, Um, in these times of hard to find money, Um, the way it started was a group called Auckland Lesbian and Gay Youth called Algie. Oh, lovely. [00:11:00] Nice. Kind of. I think it was quite edgy, you know, for its time, Um, and Algie was from the university crowd, so it's kind of probably what What is today? Uniq, Um, and algae formed just after I think it was 85 86 or something like that. Um And then in 89 they changed the name and [00:11:30] to to to give it more of a I think they were looking at youth issues in general, and that started to be rainbow youth. Then Rainbow Youth started employing a part-time youth coordinator, and it went through a number of phases where there was a house. There used to be a rainbow youth house because big issues back then were homelessness. Not that they're not now, But there was funding for things like homelessness, suicide, and, um, the house ended up not working out. Um, lots of people [00:12:00] in over the past 21 years have done a lot for rainbow Youth to get where it is today in the community. Um and yeah. So I think it was 1989. It changed to Rainbow Youth, and they actually got became an incorporated society and got a Constitution and all that jazz. What would be some of the funnest parts about your job? My job? Um, the funnest parts are playing Wii. Um, I was reminiscing the other day. [00:12:30] We is the, you know, the computer game, the TV game. Just to clarify, um, I'm very competitive, so sometimes I have, um if if a bunch of people come in that aren't so comfortable, you know, a good game of Wii will get them going, like, good game, competitive tennis or bowling. Um, and I remember when I first started, one of the members left because they were moving house. They left the guitar hero here, so I remember I used to hide on the beanbags behind the couch and play [00:13:00] guitar hero after dark when no one else was in here. Um, that's I'm just kidding. Um, I was, you know, it's interacting with young people is my favourite thing. It doesn't matter what I'm doing. Um, sometimes occasionally I'll turn up at a group. Um, you know, and, you know, share some information, give them. You know, II. I don't turn up at groups often, but it's them coming in and saying things like, Tommy, I've [00:13:30] I've, you know, got a a plus on my assignment. And it's a young person who, when I first met them, were shrivelled up like a little pebble and wouldn't even talk, you know? And they'd sit on a couch and I'd be talking at them for about 20 minutes. And now they come running in and tell me that they've got an A plus and an assignment and and that they're getting on with their lives and they're really they're really amazing people. And they just needed that moment to say to somebody, Hey, you know, what do I do? Um, and [00:14:00] another part of it, I really like is getting out into the community and getting what organisations outside of the queer organisation sector um, to understand what the hell was happening for us and to get us in track, like involved with Youth Line Youth town. That stuff is really exciting for me getting young people who aren't queer, understanding what it is. And it's no different to them. You know, um, that's kind of exciting. And also the diversity of [00:14:30] we have a culture here which is so diverse and so interesting. Um, we have problems like everyone else in gathering that information and gathering that diverse structure, but I think we have a real commitment to building that. So it's sustainable and and so that we continue the the nature of a diverse culture in here. Apart from funding, what would be some of the big challenges kind of facing. We're facing [00:15:00] Rainbow youth. But I think also kind of the queer youth groups and sectors and that kind of thing, um, homophobia in schools, safety in schools. It's a huge challenge. Just, um, getting schools to recognise that homophobia is a form of bullying, that it is prevalent, and it is affecting students to the point where they're harming themselves. Self-harm suicide, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, [00:15:30] um, homelessness, uh, that that it is, you know, and it's so subtle making education around sexuality and gender identity compulsory in schools. Um, if if we didn't have to teach it that education, if all we were doing was giving resources to schools or getting involved on subcommittees in Parliament that you know, getting other queer youth organisations involved in subcommittees in Parliament to make sure that that was part of the health curriculum, that [00:16:00] that was actually a behaviour that was not just about sexuality and not just about gender identity or about sex and how people have sex, which is actually talking about relationships and how people relate to each other. You know, if that became part of the curriculum that would make homophobia just would disappear. You know, it would be easier for kids to go to counsellors and say, Hey, someone's being a bully and throwing pies at me as one example, or [00:16:30] I have to leave the school because somebody's I'm in a relationship with someone, and the parents are making me me are saying we can't have that relationship so I don't get my education that's affecting a whole person's life, not just the school. Um, so recognising our young people's needs in those schools is a key element of that. And one of those things is that that being part of the curriculum of sexuality and generating identity being part of that curriculum, um [00:17:00] uh, issues around young people and homelessness still occur. Um, we need and and drug and alcohol use so prevalent in our community at such a young age, we need the government to help visibility around our community. We need young people being seen as same sex attracted people or trans youth being seen as the identity they prefer. You know, [00:17:30] um, and we need government support to help achieve that. We are a minority within the community. And I think sometimes we've been it's been sort of, um, shelved a little bit. Um, statistics research is really important. We need research on our youth and that research needs to be aimed at them for them, not about them. Um, and, uh, we need, um we need a national body for the queer youth in general. [00:18:00] Um, queer youth ourselves have been talking about it. Uh, Rainbow youth have done some research which we're finalising at the moment. The recommendations for to to begin that process. But we need a queer youth network that's relevant to the those young people now, Um and, uh, yeah, basically, I. I hope that in five years time we have regular funding from people like Ministry of Youth Development and Ministry of Social Development. Ministry of Social Development to actually get some of these [00:18:30] things up and running, um, and that we don't have to scrimp and save just to be able to get our educator into schools. That there's educators in all our youth groups that there's a position available every region for sexuality and gender identity educator, because it is compulsory in schools to have that topic. Um, so it's hard to say what the other issues are outside of funding because so many of these issues require funding. But we we're working in many ways, we're [00:19:00] being very creative to combat these issues. Um, the campaign, which looks at healthy relationships, strength based approaches, we're following the youth strategy, Um, and including youth voices in as many projects as we can that are that are from the broader community. Um, we have a GL BT drug and alcohol network, uh, working group in Auckland. Um, that has that is, you know, pulling together resources between the organisations, um, to talk about these issues [00:19:30] raise awareness of these issues in the community. But we can only do so much until, you know, until it starts to become the need for a campaign. So what are some fun parts about your job, Sam? Um, you also hide hide behind the beanbags in the couch and play guitar hero. No, I haven't played Guitar hero yet. Um oh, lots of like, I think, like, to me, like being able to, like, chat and hang out with, like, young people makes me feel younger. Um, no, it's [00:20:00] really cool. Like it doesn't make you feel older. I feel that happens to me. And I'm like, What? What does that word mean? We were out here the other day, like just talking. I mean, you get to have these amazing conversations, which is just really cool, and you get to see people come out of their shell, you know, as they get to know you. And as they get more comfortable within the centre, and it's so awesome. That's so cool. Um, and I really enjoy in a really sick kind of way. Getting to, like, do all the stats and stuff like I know, I [00:20:30] know it's You should see someone about that. Yeah, I know. But like, you know, sort of like I really get this weird kick from being able to help put together like resources and look at making rainbow use sustainable. And, you know, like there's so many awesome things that are happening here and being able to be part of that and seeing that we're putting or implementing these processes that will last, you know, like I get very excited. Um, and also, I mean, like, I occasionally get to go out, um, [00:21:00] with Priscilla to be involved in her education sessions. And they're amazing, like, That's so cool. And it's so, so much fun to be in like a room full of, you know, like 14 15 year olds and watch this collective light bulb go off in their heads. You know, like you can you can see it like in this group of people you know, when they realise you know what homophobia is or what's going on, or you know that how they can make a change and that they need to. And that's so awesome. Yeah, [00:21:30] So there's a lot of cool things about being here you mentioned. Or someone mentioned, Um, they are the nine groups that run. Yeah, I can. The groups are ID for over eighteens, and that's in the Centre GQ for under Eighteens. And that's based in the Centre and Gender IQ, which is a gender identity group. Those three groups that are based in the centre tend to be centralised tend to have, um, you know, lots of people from the different [00:22:00] regional groups meeting as well. They come to these these groups. So so the regional groups include out and about, which is in East Auckland out West, which is in West Auckland, and Queer for Shore, which is in the North Shore. And then we have activity groups which are like Queer Nation, which is a bunch of people that meet and watch animation That's queer, and they'll be going to, um, Armageddon this year and joining youth line at the table to, you know, so they're involved in the outside community as well. It's one way we get [00:22:30] our word out. The other group is go active, which is kind of like basically, the ID group wanted to do something outside of their support group meeting because activities in A in a support group don't really match. So they do things like go laser tag, bow temp and bowling I all sorts of picnics and all sorts of weird stuff, but they they do that in different times. You know, Um and then, uh, another group would be a women's focus group, [00:23:00] which they haven't figured out their their name yet. Um, but the whole idea there was that some of some, some at times, like the gender, sort of the the gender of people turning up to groups can fluctuate so it can never flow between male identified and female identified. And, um, at 1.1 ID, the older over 18 group was becoming very male dominated. So we thought, well, to help [00:23:30] create a bit of safety and make you know the younger women feel comfortable about coming back into the centre. We will have a girl focus group, so at times we can just when that happens, it doesn't sort of we don't lose that sort of the female energy from the organisation, So that's exciting. Um, and I think that's all of the groups. Um, but groups can appear out of the blue. Um, groups are devised by young people. We don't think of them. The the [00:24:00] young people say what they want and they develop the group and they have posters. They have a web, they have their Facebook page. Every group has a Facebook group on it, and they have members who join that. So there's this whole social media sort of realm to the groups as well as the actual live group. And then it's all been put on to curious dot org dot NZ, which is the national hub for queer youth website. Um, and and then it gets, you know, they've got post, you know, their [00:24:30] posters and they just liaise with me or the facilitators of the groups telling me what they want to do and what they need. Um, and the groups that meet regionally tend to meet in cafes, so they tend to be smaller and just conversational based. So that's why we maintain lots of, you know, the groups that meet at the centre there can be up to 30 to 40 people attend that group, um, in in the larger groups and some of the members will attend three or four groups. So they're busy. [00:25:00] They have a busy social schedule so that, you know, there's a lot of communication required, very vibrant part of the organisation and kind of, um, I guess queer communities are really, really diverse. And sometimes there can be tensions, I guess, between gay men and and lesbian women or sis people, sis, queer people and trans people. How are some of the ways, or are those tensions ever apparent with the young people here? And or is it is it just an [00:25:30] older person thing? And if there are, how how are those tensions dealt with? Or do you see that at all? Or we We see that in the sense that people are coming to our centre who are younger, and they might not have explored or understood any of those issues they may not identify as lesbian or gay, they might be bisexual. They might have questions around their religious beliefs. All these things get discussed within the groups, and you'll hear them having vibrant, energetic [00:26:00] debates out here and you'll hear the trans like for trans youth, for instance who are involved in the wider groups. Um, they'll tell other young people that they're being transphobic and, um, the the discussions between the lesbian and gay male cultures. They'll, you know, you'll hear sort of statements like, You know, that are putting down, say, the young gay males putting down lesbians because it's kind of a you know, something that happens. And the other younger [00:26:30] women will be like, you know, shut up. That's you know, you just that's not cool and and we don't we We don't let young people if we're in the office at times, Um, we don't let young people come in here flouting about how they've been out the night before and got really wasted or making. Uh, if they say something offensive and nobody else is saying anything, we stand up and say, you know, hey, you know, that's kind of offensive, not in a bullish way, not in a mean way. But we're just really clear about when you you talk with respect in the space and that's all about, So [00:27:00] the way we maintain that is this space here. Everyone must respect each other. Um, any group time, everyone must respect each other. If there's a problem and somebody's being homophobic and say a facilitator can't deal with it or the group can't deal with it themselves, they can come to me and they'll can come to a staff member. Um, and then we will say to that person in a really nice way, take them away from the group and say, Hey, look, what you're saying isn't really nice and it might make them feel sad. And usually that's fine. Yeah, um, the other issue that can [00:27:30] come up, though that's probably more of a problem is people in relationships within the groups. So, you know, um, our facilitators are trained to to, uh, deal with that. Yeah. And for the large part, there seems to be a culture where they'll just kind of converse. And that's where a lot of the understanding comes from. Yeah, and I mean, I guess sort of linked into that in the previous question. I mean, there are events and things that happen sometimes. Like we had No, [00:28:00] not that long ago. Um, the intergenerational forum at the Charlotte Museum. Um, which was so awesome because it wasn't just that you know, there were these two sort of parallel age groups, but there was all these different, you know, people, you know, the lesbians and gay guys and Trans and all these people coming together for one purpose instead of, you know, splitting up into little groups. But everyone was talking, Everyone was sharing their ideas and everyone was feeding into this one thing. And it was so cool because everyone brought a different [00:28:30] strength and a different idea. And it was such a great day. And so there are things like that that happen where people do get to come together and they do get exposure to one another's thoughts and opinions, you know? And I think, you know, you get to sort of see the strength that comes out of that. So there's really cool things like that that happen as well. Yeah. What were some of the big things that came out of that that I guess younger people could take away or older people could have taken away from that space that shared space. I think that there was probably [00:29:00] one of the things that came out was the need to communicate and talk. I think that. That's probably something that's personally I believe there's a age or across diverse kind of. I think both, I think. I mean, it was really highlighted because it was an intergenerational thing. It was really highlighted, you know, between age. But I think that it applies to sort of all areas that you know, that need to communicate. Um, you know, where we've come from, you know, our history, um, to communicate, you know, how we feel and how we're [00:29:30] affected as we travel through to each other, because I think sometimes we forget that, you know, um, within our community. And that was really awesome to sort of see. And I think it was a bit of a a reminder, you know, that that we are all in it together and it's really cool what we can achieve together, because there's sometimes a bit of a stereotype or an assumption that young people are, you know, they just want to party, and they're not really interested in history or they're not interested in the stories of older people. Is that Is that something that is, you [00:30:00] know, Did you see that or young people really, really interested and just haven't had a whole lot of opportunities to have yarns or that that that was one of the things that came up and was talked about. And I mean, I think that, you know, there is that generational thing of of young people, maybe potentially not seeking it as much. But then there was also highlighted the fact that I think that that information wasn't passed down in the same way that it might have been by the generation before. You know, there wasn't that emphasis [00:30:30] to really talk about it and to go out. And, you know, particularly things like something that came up was with, um HIV and a I DS that, you know, when that first emerged and the people that it really hit hard, they would go out into the clubs and they would tell the young people, you know, make sure that, you know, you're you know, And it was, but it was really verbal and it was really there, and it was really in your face and that's that sort of waned a bit. We've become quite sort of poster and media orientated now, but you lose that that effect of actually having someone walk up and be like, make sure that, you know, this is [00:31:00] really important. Um and so I think it was just that sort of, I don't know, I guess a verbal kind of, I don't know. The language kind of disintegrated a bit, but it's coming back. I think I think there is an awareness that it needs to be there. And I think from an older person's perspective, I noticed that the older people kind of didn't realise that the younger people still had the same issues and it was a real check in for them. Um, many of those people [00:31:30] that were at the intergenerational forum came back to the centre, and they've started integrating into the centre like many people in the community felt that rainbow youth was just a youth orientated space and us getting reaching out to those wider communities has helped them to understand what we actually do in here. Yes, this is their space, but they are really desperate to interact with everyone. So, at the intergenerational forum, I saw one of our younger members, for instance, caught up with, you know, a very [00:32:00] strong, very politically motivated member of our community and absolutely besotted in in wanting to gather the knowledge from them, which is so powerful, Um, and I was really amazed to see that and I you know, And I thought, Oh, this is something we must nurture for young people. Like as an organisation, we must focus on building the gap building bridges between [00:32:30] the age, age, gaps. And for instance, now we've got a project which we're doing with a couple of our members who are trans so that they're doing, um, pop sort of videos from people within the trans community so that, you know, that gives them a chance to interact and work with older people in the trans community. You know, um, these sorts of things I think have come from us doing that project, um and and has been. And it's been a leading example. [00:33:00] And it that's where sometimes I also think it highlighted that in our community we don't support organisations that are building our his historical information. So the Charlotte found Charlotte Museum, for instance, is not supported enough. And um and I think that was another element where the young people felt that they could be involved in something like that. So it's very fascinating to see all that come to fruition, and I think the outcome will be [00:33:30] it will be really interesting. The great thing will be that at the next big day out, all our young people will go past going, Oh, look, there's a Charlotte museum and they'll know what that is. That's that is a really positive outcome. So if I am a person who's not just a young, queer person, how how would I find you? Rainbow Youth? Would I just drop in or Well, I mean, we have all sorts of, I mean different ways. I mean, you know, the the Internet, a lot of people [00:34:00] find us. There's a lot of, I think, word of mouth, you know, a lot of people, I think, particularly after dancing with the stars. People saw Rainbow Youth and it became, you know, sort of nationally known. And so I think you know that name is out there now and it's it's really floating around. Um, I mean, we have resources that are out there as well, um, in schools for young people to use, But I think you know, predominantly, you know, I think most people just Google, you know? And I mean, we're on the internet. We've got an awesome website with heaps of information. [00:34:30] And that's how a lot of people access us. Or you can just drop in. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah, that's what the drop in centre is all about, you know? And we do have a lot of people that walk past and just come in and, you know, be like, Oh, I need some information on this, or I just want to hang out or I need some help with my CV, you know, And some office hours Monday to Friday or yeah, um, we're open from 10 till six usually. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you very much. Both of you for having a yarn about rainbow [00:35:00] youth to us.
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