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So my name is Sean Woodcock. And I have been, uh, in the queen, the whole universe. Train or journey? Uh, since about 2008, you say journey, do you Do you see it as absolutely It's, um it's quite intense, actually, because it goes for about 3 to 4 months. By the time you, um you do all your rehearsals and you do all your costume changes and, of course, your you've been fitted for your dress and you start making it, you can't eat because that leads to problems close [00:00:30] to the time, you know? So you're on a diet of dust pretty much, um, but all through the rehearsals and and you're meeting new people and you're reconnecting with the old ones. And, um, it's not just about doing the pageant, and then that's it. Um, you know, I've, as I said, I've been with the pageant for since 2008, and I still got friends that were in the first year, uh, that were still doing it. So I don't see the pageant as just a one off, um, kind of 10th year ending type thing [00:01:00] because it's the people that carry on that legacy. Perhaps we can, uh, just rewind a bit and go through that whole process of getting prepared for a pageant. I hadn't realised that it took that long to, actually. Um well, it's quite a Yeah, it's a long process. Um, when you think about that, uh, the length of time and the amount of people that are involved to make it happen And really, it's for three hours on one night. Um, it's kind of like, Oh, what do I do now? Type scenario. [00:01:30] Um, but yeah. And you you've got your rehearsals, which is, um, on average, a couple of nights a week for about 2 to 3 hours each night. Uh, if you're fortunate, like I have been to be a backup dancer and an Act two performance as well, um, that's additional rehearsing. Then you need to find a time to, um, start thinking about what you're going to wear within the concept of what Buffy and Bimbo have have designed. Um, and there's all the you know, as I said, [00:02:00] you got to make the outfit or or get the outfit made for you. Um, Then there's the headgear section, so that's representing who you're representing. Um, so in 2008, I represented Uranus. So, um, I was Miss Uranus, And, um, given that, I knew you'd laugh for that. Don't put that on my mother's copy. Right. Um, the next year, being the 10th year and the final show, I was stuck as to what I was going to be. So I've decided [00:02:30] that I'm going to go out the way that I came in, and that's through Uranus. So So I'm going to be Mr again. So the headgear section is all about you kind of dressing, Um, what you you know and what you're representing. So, um so how does that feel? Um, defence could be tight. Could be loose. Really? But, uh, I mean, the feeling is quite intense. Um, yeah. And you get a lot of laughs and you get [00:03:00] a little jives and a lot of people go. Wow, that's really great. And then they scurry away, and then they make some changes to their one, and then they come back. Oh, yeah, That looks really so Actually, it's quite competitive. Absolutely, absolutely. But in a good friend anyway, no sabotage. Not that I'm aware of and not that I will declare to. Yeah. So you're saying that Buffy and Bimbo come up with a kind of concept for the show? They do. Do you know how that is formulated? Uh, I guess, uh, I only know a little bit [00:03:30] about that, but they, um, produce the kind of colours of what they want to see you in for the main dressing. And everyone either wears a kind of the same colour. Um, strict rules around the the dress and how it should look. So for 2008, when you first started What what were the colour schemes for that year? The colour schemes. You could choose whatever colour you wanted, so long as the dress was the same way that, um, that Buffy and Bimbo had kind of outlined. Yeah. [00:04:00] Yeah. So it's quite an open design. Yep. Yep. The only really restriction is it's, um, full length, but with a good split up your leg type thing. And, um, you know, the audience likes to see a bit of legs. So, um, Miss is always happy to help with that in preparation for showing a bit of leg. Um, did you have to do any special diet. Did you have to? Of course I'd never diet. Um, because I'm I'm just the perfect size. Um, but there's a lot [00:04:30] of grooming that goes on. So you've got to shave. And, uh, yeah. Have you done this kind of performance before? No, not whatsoever. Uh, I I saw the first Auckland, the first Auckland show that I'd been to was in 2007, and I had some friends in it, and I just thought, Wow, this is absolutely amazing. Um, and so I decided that, um, I would join the 2008 show, and I was actually flatting with three others that were doing it That, uh, that year as well. Two of them had been in it previously, and another one was, um, [00:05:00] was new to it. So we decided that as a flat, we were going to go in and have a ball. And to be honest, I've never looked back. So are there any entry requirements or can anyone just, um, there are some entry requirements. Um, Jonathan always likes to know why you're doing it. And, um, kind of what? You're what you're going to bring to the show as well. Um, the concept is, uh what, uh, Jonathan designs it to be, but obviously, the the main outcome of it is to raise money for, um, AIDS [00:05:30] and HIV. Um, awareness. So what was your reason for getting it wrong? I've always wanted to be on stage. Surprise, surprise for a gay guy. Um, but never, never got that far. I had no intent. I'd never imagined that I would be in a dress with a wig, and all your bit stucked away quite nicely, but, um, yeah. No, I've always wanted to be on stage. I've always had a passion for helping the community as well. Um, and that was my way [00:06:00] of of doing that. That was the first show. Has that changed over the subsequent years? Um, no, I don't think so. No, I'm I'm still passionately involved. Still keen, um, love meeting the guys and girls that are with it. And, um, yeah, as I said, it's a It's a train that I consider It's a journey, and you start from point A, and you go to point B. But, um, there's a long process that [00:06:30] happens in between it and the first year that I was in it, Um uh, there were a couple of guys or a partner that, um one of these, uh, family member had died as well. And so you kind of all brought in as a family. It is a It is one big family type environment. It's been going for a while now for, um at at least nine coming up to 10 shows. I'm wondering you're saying words like family and Journey [00:07:00] Are there specific things that bind everyone together? I guess we're all there for the one cause, and that's to raise money. Um, but we're all there to have a good time and to have some fun and have a laugh and meet new people. And, you know, how else would you get on stage without being able to dance properly or sing properly or be the wrong size or wrong height or anything like that? Um, and be on stage [00:07:30] at the a sentence in front of 15 or 1700 people. I mean, you you just couldn't do that. Normally, I imagine the rehearsals must be quite intense when you're dealing with such a diverse range of abilities. Yeah, um, it's only intense when Jonathan decides he's going to put his foot down. We may have been, you know, mucking around a little bit or talking or coming back, you know, late from having a diet muffin or something like that. Um, [00:08:00] but yeah, I mean, there's there's always a little bit of discomfort at the beginning, for for some people, um, some people pick up the moves a lot quicker. Some people don't. Some people never do. Um, but, yeah, we all we all help, and people will pull you out and say, Oh, how did you do that? Or, um, how did you swing your hips this way? And that's that's the family, um, type aspect that I've been referring to. What is Jonathan's directing style? How does he How does he How does he mould gay? Totally gay. [00:08:30] Um, he's very open. Um, he's very, very passionate about what he does. Um, and that passion brings us all together as well. Um, it all starts from the top. And and when it's around QWU with Jonathan at the helm, it is very much at the top. Um, he brings us all together. He keeps us updated. Um, he tells us to, you know, harden up when we're complaining about moves. That may not be easy or hard, but yeah. Yeah. [00:09:00] Are you wearing heels and rehearsal? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's it's important. The first couple of rehearsals. I don't, um because you kind of when you haven't been wearing them or you don't wear them all the time. Um, you got to get used to them. But, um, you know, first couple of lessons I do. And then II I think it's important, especially from my perspective that you're not only learning the moves, but you're learning the moves on learning how to do those moves within the heels [00:09:30] that you're wearing, Um, which is equally important, because in the end of the day, you don't want to fall over and break a tit or something and make, you know, make yourself look like a dick on stage. So, yeah. Do you Do you have any input into the choreography or the the design of the the work? Um, not that I'd ever confess to Jonathan, but, um, every now and again, we will When? Um, the choreographer Sarah, who's absolutely amazing. Um, teach us the routine, and we may not all [00:10:00] just get it so and sometimes we don't get it because we purposely forget it. And we say, Oh, what about this? Um, it's one of those things. You have to have everybody in the room together to actually make it work. Um, so sometimes we do tweak it a little bit, and then if we don't get our own way, we are on stage at the night. So And you were mentioning before that, uh, you were also a backup dancer in the second act. What does that involve? Um, more rehearsal. Um, more glitter. Um, more [00:10:30] outfits. Um, yeah, a little bit more pressure as well, because, um, the main show you're for me. I'm performing with my my friends. Um, and you're also performing for the community to give them a good time. They've paid money to come and see you. Um and so when you're back up for an Act two, you're doing it for the Act two person. That's, um, that's doing that role. Um, and they're obviously competing for the the total crown. So, you know, you need to be on form and you need to do it to your best of your ability and each of those people [00:11:00] that they are representing a country. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So in the times that you've been a backup dancer, what what countries will you be helping? Uh, So I have been back up for last year. I was back up for Miss Heaven, and I was also back up the previous year for Miss France. So can you describe what their garments [00:11:30] and head dress were? Yeah. Um, for Miss France? Uh, very simple outfit. It was very kind of sailor, boyish type looking. Even though you're a girl. Um, nice and loose, which is always good because, you know, by the time you've had a couple of hours of makeup on, you're feeling like a little bit of a stuffed goose by then, um, for Miss Heaven. It was very, um, started off the Wizard of Oz type. Look and feel, um, where you run [00:12:00] out, you know, blonde wig, Um, a white singlet white sort of frilly things. Um, And you've also got a grey funnel on your head because that's who I was for. Wizard of Oz, and then it kind of the storm comes along and the head gear comes off. And then you put the butterflies on your head and you carry on dancing and you know, umbrellas appear and you're dancing with umbrellas. And yeah, absolutely amazing. So you're going from a tin man to a butterfly? Yeah. Yeah. Or an angel. [00:12:30] Depends if you get your legs closed. Really? Sometimes it's a bit hard, and it's like, Oh, shit, it's supposed to be a lady. What is that, like being on stage and suddenly realising that you're on stage and then maybe that you should be crossing your legs? Yeah. Um, the very first time, um, the nerves kick in, um, especially during technical rehearsal and full dress rehearsal and you're out the back, and you you start to get really crabby, and you're stressing out because, [00:13:00] um, you can't get a helper because nothing's organised, and, you know, you want to put everything on, um, on the night. Um, you always get a little bit of nerves right at the beginning because, um, before the curtain goes up, we're all back on on stage, ready to go. Um, and you can feel the intensity you can feel the heat. You can see the feel, the people talking and you can go. You know, it's getting really exciting. And the crowd goes, the curtain goes up and we're like, Holy crap. You know, it's show time. Um, and it's absolutely amazing. Absolutely amazing. And then [00:13:30] at the end of it, you think, What was I so worried about? What were the nerves all about? But I guess to be me on stage to to to be the best that I want or I am able to be the nerves is quite good as well. Yeah. Then you don't get too cocky. Can you describe for me the change in your personality or persona from being kind of real world, Sean and then being on stage? Yeah. Um, I guess I'm a little bit more [00:14:00] cheekier and flirty as soon as I put my boots and my wig on. Yeah, Generally, it's the boots that that, um, that do it. So, yeah, I'm not I'm not too much different, but, um, you you kind of I wouldn't say you get away. Well, you kind of get away with a little bit more than you would normally. But then you're in the same group of people anyway. So And you, um you get to flirt up to, you know, to the guys that are at the backstage that actually the crew of a that are not actually part of us, and they're kind of sitting [00:14:30] there going, Oh, what's this all about? Type thing you go. Hi, sweetie. How are you? You know, push up the old factors, and they love it. They absolutely love it. So, um, for me, it's about, um, not going too far. Um, out of who I am. Um, but you're definitely there to have a good time, so yeah, and you got to play up to the crowd because that's what they're there for. They want to see your legs. They wanna, you know, see everything. What is that experience of standing in front of, say, 2000 people like [00:15:00] It's very surreal, actually. And, um, every time I'm on stage performing, I'm always very humbled to be there because I don't think it's a perfectly natural thing for me, especially being dressed as a woman. Um, but I am honoured and humbled to be part of such a great show and a great experience. Um, it's not just about the show. It's about the friendships that are formed and the friendships that go on long after the show. Um, we're always a little [00:15:30] bit depressed. Um, the first week after the show, because we've had such a manic build up to it. Um, and then you kind of left after you get over your tiredness. You're like, Oh, what am I supposed to do now? Um, but those friendships are always there. And when the crowd goes wild, we go wild as well. Absolutely. Um, their intensity brings us on. So if they were sitting there looking like stun mullets thinking, you know what, have I just come to, um, we wouldn't give as good a performance? I don't believe [00:16:00] so. We're kind of feeding off their loud jeers and chairs and hoots and the whistles going off, and that just makes the whole experience a lot more better. Um, And you What's the word? I'm trying to, um, look for you. Um, you play up to that a little bit more as well. And, you know, if you were sitting in front of 50 70 year olds that didn't know what they were doing, Um, that were just kind of looking at you. Um, you wouldn't You just give a plain [00:16:30] performance, in my view. But, um, because they're there for a good time. They know what they're there for. Um, and they play up and and we play up, and it's just great. So is it quite interactive? It can be interactive. Yeah. Some of the shows that, um, Jonathan has done have been interactive. Um, down in Wellington. Um, I was there was six of us that had to, um, in between certain sections of the show. Um, we had to dress up as Amy Winehouse and because the beautiful theatre down in [00:17:00] Wellington had the old, um, boxes outside the stage. Yeah, absolutely. And so during, I think it was at two. there were six of us on one side and one of each box with an empty wine bottle. Jonathan. I mean, come on. Um and we were in a position for a couple of sections that were purposely built into part of that stage, and then we quickly disappear, which was supposed to be quiet. But, you know, we're in heels, we're men, and we've got two minutes to get to the other stage in pitch darkness. It's ludicrous. It's ludicrous. [00:17:30] But, um, yeah, and it just kind of kind of brings on a little bit more, um, to the show. Yeah. Audiences. What kind of audiences do you get? Mixed? Very mixed. Um, from what I understand, there's quite a few hetro there as well. Um, I've never managed to score after the show, but, um, that's probably more my fault than theirs. But, um, you know, he and then you get the gays and the lesbians and the community members, um, we get politicians, [00:18:00] um, there to to support, um, support us, and they're normally in the judging panel as well. Um, we've also been fortunate to have Carmen come over from Australia, and she's been in a judge. So, um, that's judging power. Allie Moore. Obviously, um, she's she's led the Auckland judging panel for the last couple of years. So And in terms of ages, are we talking young, old, middle age, Or I think, um, a good mixture between young and middle. Yeah. I don't really see many oldies there, [00:18:30] but, um So how is it that a show can pull such a wide demographic. I think it comes down to the reputation of the show, Um, the the people that are involved because they they're not there just to do the show. They're actually there to bring their friends and to see them as well. Um, and I think, you know, hugely around, [00:19:00] um, Jonathan's participation and direction of the show and doing the media releases. I mean, it's a it's a 10 year show. Um, and I guess if if the show wasn't producing anything that nobody wanted to see or to, you know, interact with, um, people wouldn't be attending. So I think it it touches the heart of what our community is about, um, touches about the education about HIV and a ID, Um, and also the fact that everyone's [00:19:30] there for a good time. How do you think it's seen within the gay community? Oh, I think it's mixed. Actually, I think that, um, sometimes the gay community can be quite fickle and bitchy, Um, and kind of see it as, oh, you know, what's the point in going? The show is rigged and, um sometimes which, of course, it's not, because if it was rigged, I would have won. Um, and sometimes, um, people can [00:20:00] turn it into more of a personality issue, and that's really not what it's about. And at the beginning, um, Jonathan was quite open to the fact that, um, don't you know, don't worry about going on to the forums of the local rags, because a lot of people will, um, slag off the show and slack off, uh, Jonathan and that sort of thing. But I've read some of them. I think, you know, each to their own. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, But this is largely coming from people that haven't actually seen the show. And [00:20:30] I think they need to, um, get on board, leave the personality behind and get on board with what the production is all all about. And that's raising money. Um, to put back to towards HIV and a IS. You were saying that it's not rigged. It's not that that nobody knows who's going to win. Has there been any kind of controversial decisions in terms of everybody? I think everybody that goes into an Act two performance [00:21:00] believes that they will win, and I mean, that's not a bad attitude. to have, um I guess I. I haven't done that too. Um and yeah, I. I guess there's normally about five or six tattoos and standing at the end of the night in the front of all of us. Um, not being crowned or not getting a bunch of flowers. And you're kind of like, Oh, bugger, You know, um, yeah, I. I think there's always people always think that they should win, and they will always think that they should win over others. [00:21:30] Um, but when you look at the different types of performances that actually are within an act to some are more, um, comedy. Some are more, uh, drag performances. And some are actually really damn good production shows. Um, and it comes down to what the judge at the end of the day or the judging panel wants. And, you know, you can have the best show in the world. But if they're looking for that camp to come out and the, um, you've got to interact with the audience and all [00:22:00] those different aspects, some people don't get it. But I think at the end of the day, everyone should be proud of what they've been able to achieve? Um, yeah. So when you started, did you have any mentoring, or did somebody assist you, or were you just mentoring? No. Yeah, yeah. Um, I've been fortunate that every time I've formed, um, I've been sponsored by Bar and Cabaret on K Road. Um, and, um, Campbell. Who's the owner? Operator, [00:22:30] Um, is good friend of mine. Thank you, Campbell. Thank you, Campbell. Um, haven't approached him about funding for next year, but we'll get there. Um, you know, I've been fortunate that he's been able to provide some financial assistance to put it all together. Um, some people don't. Some people just put it together themselves. Um, the girls at are also really good, because fish, Miss Cola, Um, where she will kind of give me the creativity side. When the three of us Campbell, myself and Miss Cola will sit down and say, OK, this is what I'm doing. [00:23:00] What am I going to do? And so Campbell will put his hat on and cola will put her five dresses on and five wigs on, um, and then but within a couple of hours, we've got a concept of what I'm going to be wearing And, um, what my name is and all those sorts of things, Um, and I get it also touches on, uh, with another, another aspect of being on stage at the time. I'm not there. Just there for the community. I'm not there just to perform people. I'm actually there to support the people [00:23:30] that have put me there as well. So can you talk to me about the the whole kind of transformation going from everyday Sean through to Uranus? Thank you for that. Um, yeah, I guess the the, um, the brain side of of the transformation happens when I've got my boots on and my wig on. Um, in terms of [00:24:00] the lead up, you know, there's a lot of preparation. You've got to get all your panty hose. You've got to get your G strings. Um, and you've got a shave and you can't do it too close or too far out. You know, because you get rash or then you get stubborn and it's just like it is. It's really it is. But, um yeah, there's a lot of prep. You've got a the last the the week leading up to the show um, is really when you're reaching or starting to reach breaking point. Um, because you hope that everything is on track [00:24:30] with your headgear outfit. You hope that you still fit your dress. You hope that when you put it on a dress rehearsal that it still looks better than most of the others. Otherwise, you have have to go home and make some changes. Um, and you you're starting to get really tired because you've been rehearsing for such a long time. Um, and technical rehearsal and dress rehearsal, you know, six hour type stints at a care centre. So the build up to it is quite intense. And then [00:25:00] on the day you kind of blob around and make sure you've got everything like your pins and needles and extra stuff that you that you may or might need and then kind of you. You have to be there about three or four o'clock in the afternoon, and it does make a really long day. Um, and you're called into your makeup sessions, and so we all kind of take Mickey out of everyone because it's kind of like, um, putting a sheet through a cattle ranch that goes through stages and [00:25:30] you can go there, and then you they, um, wax back your eyebrows and put all your make all your foundy on, and then you're left sitting for someone to do your eyes and your lips, and you kind of look like a dead corpse. Um, and you're sitting there. So you know, these lovely people that that I've just talked fondly about will take photos of you, and then they post it to Facebook, and you don't want to move because your face will start cracking, and then you get told off, and it's all good. Um, and then you're kind of putting your bits together [00:26:00] and, you know, your panty hose and your dress. Um, we normally have a call time about seven o'clock, um, and that we're all on stage regardless of what position you're in, what shape you're in, whatever you're wearing. Um, half of us don't wear much for that because it's the last minute kind of cool. Um, because you don't want to put all your load yourself with all the G strings and panty hose, and then five minutes later Oh, man, I've got to go to the toilet. Um, and it's just a big downhill mess after that. So we [00:26:30] do a, um A to one performance. Um, about seven o'clock is the warm up the Ra Ra. Let's do it. Let's hit it, Um, And then it's a mad dash back to the changing rooms to finish everything off. And then we're on stage. Show time, um, have a blast. Then it's all over and go upstairs and socialise with with the people that have watched you, which is great. There are two things that you've mentioned that I. I I'm I'm still trying to work out of my head. I can understand one G string, but you're saying multiple G strings. Well, I guess it depends [00:27:00] how small you are. The last thing you need was an attractive woman with a sack hanging out. You know, people are paying good money, but they're not paying to see that. And it's not like you can halfway through the show. Just stop there and pop it back in and then carry on. It's just not feasible. And the other one was, um, pins and needles. Sometimes [00:27:30] there's a little issues, you know him might come undone or not. the dolls. No, no, we would never do that. Never do that. Um, and of course, we never purposely make sure we're around the the changing room that Kevin, Buffy and Bimbo are in. You know, of course, we're always on the watch out to make sure their outfits perfect for them. But you've got to have extras, and then you'll always get people running past saying, Oh, have you got a spare pin? You know, this has happened, and it's always good to have Yeah, have a few on [00:28:00] site during, um, the the days leading into the theatre or or the the technical rehearsals, et cetera. Is there kind of much bitchiness going on behind behind the stage? Are there big dramas? No, no. Um, there's never any real bitchiness or dramas. Sometimes people will have the odd hissy fit like, um, when we're doing the technical rehearsal and dress rehearsal, Um, uh, you've got to work out, you know, make sure you're in the right placings because all the rehearsals are done off site [00:28:30] at a hall. And then when you come on stage, it's totally different. Uh, it could be different. Slightly size, um, with all that sort of thing. So then you got to be replaced. And, um when we're doing the head gear of nations and we're called on at specific times, got to get the timing right as well. It throws everyone out, out and, you know, you get the one that I couldn't because such and such wasn't there. Or, you know, at the end of the day you have to be there and yeah, it always happens on the night, but, um, technical and dress rehearsals and all meetings. [00:29:00] Yeah. Sometimes some of them are a bit frosty, and it actually must be quite hard to be what, taken seriously, if you're throwing a bit of a tan, I guess so. I mean, I've I've never really had a tan in public, so I normally wait till I go home. But, um, yeah, I mean, I think everyone's kind of technical and dress rehearsal. Everyone's kind of on edge anyway, because they want to make sure they've got all the gear they want to know, or make sure that they know that they've got [00:29:30] two minutes between when Act one finishes and they have to be on stage in their head gear. Um, they've only got two minutes. Um and so if you get in the way, you'll get bold type scenarios. Some of them have really big head gears because, you know, two metres by two metres. Um, they're not small, so there's always a little bit of tension to make sure that they can get into their outfits in time. And they have the right helpers and the helpers know what they're doing. Um, and then they get back on stage. So so are there many helpers backstage? [00:30:00] Yeah. Yeah. There's, um, probably about 20 odd helpers. 20 or 30 odd helpers, I would imagine. Yeah. And on stage, there's normally about 40 of us on stage. Yeah, plus, that's, you know, obviously not including the, um, stage manager, the core manager. Um, uh, the production manager. You know, all of those sorts of things. So I think on average it it can go anywhere up to about 100 people on and off the stage. Um, and it takes That leads me back [00:30:30] to what? I said that it's a 3 to 4 months journey to get to the show. Um, and everyone is totally a part of that. And then you're left feeling at the end of it Or what do I do now? Because you've spent the last three or four months preparing for this show that lasts three hours. Absolutely amazing show. But what now? And what generally does happen after after that, um, we normally have a couple of catch ups that Jonathan and Kevin organise Um uh, usually down at the [00:31:00] Lawn Street Theatre where we actually see the show. Um, because you don't actually, you you know what you're doing, and you know what's happening, but you don't actually see it from the other way. So I think it's good for us to actually see, um, how the show looked. Um, have a bit of a giggle and say, Oh, you know, such and such. You still didn't get the move and they'll say, Well, I didn't do it in rehearsals, So why should I do it on the show? Um, and then also because you know what everyone's wearing for the dresses. Um, but you don't always get to see or appreciate the effort that people [00:31:30] have gone into with the head gear of nations, and that's our opportunity to see it. So you were in quite a privileged position in terms of one. Having been an audience member and seeing it from the audience and then actually being on stage. Yeah, actually, um, this show, the the the 10th and final um, I was quite undecided, actually, on whether I was going to be in the show or watch it. I have only seen it once. Um, did I want to be in the show because it was the last one, or did I want to see it? Because it was the last one. [00:32:00] And I just decided, you know, the last I've done two Auckland shows and two Wellington shows, and I and I wanted I wouldn't I wouldn't have felt comfortable seeing the show because I would have wanted to be in it. Yeah, push your way through the audience. A couple of them, thanks. It's always Well, the the the question and answer time is always quite good. When, um, Jonathan and and Kevin are on stage, you know, might be waiting for an actor to be performed, you know, [00:32:30] get set up. Um, and they do a question and answer type thing, and the audience can throw out a little bit of questions. They will have a jive about each other and that that's always a good one. But it's not for me. I would much rather be in the show. Um, given the experiences that are found so thinking now that the upcoming show is going to be the 10th and final show What What are your thoughts on that? Oh, Mixed, actually. Um, yeah, I can't. I Because I've done [00:33:00] two Auckland shows and two Wellington shows. Um, so this will be my final Auckland show. I can't imagine not doing another show the following year. Um, but yeah. I mean, I'm glad that I have chosen to be in the show. Um, I'm glad that I'm coming out the way that I went in as Uranus. Um, yeah, just thinking on the last show when you're on stage and you've got thousands of people in the audience [00:33:30] in the dark, would there be any kind of special message that you would want to give to them if you had the opportunity? A special message? Um, I guess the ultimate would be to thank them for their support. Um, without them, we wouldn't have a show. I mean, there's a lot I know there's a lot of things that make up a show, but, um, we could have the brilliant cast on stage as we do. But if no one's going to buy tickets, then why would you do it? So, um, thanking them for their support over the years, [00:34:00] Um, thanking the likes of or thinking about the different people that the show has benefited. Like if we take, uh, Alison Moore, I don't know whether we're allowed to talk about Alison Moore, but, you know, she used that, um, opportunity to to come out to to the community. Um, so I think that's Yeah. The show does give a lot of people a lot of things, and, um, ultimately, it's [00:34:30] thanking them for their support. Basically, yeah.
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