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Um, for those that don't know me, I'm Adrian. And I'm Karen. We go by Adrian sometimes, um, and we're the chairs for out in the park. Um, so we just wanted to talk to you a bit About where we're going out in the park in the future. Um, say a few words about where we've come from as well. Um, so out in the park started as, uh, the gay and Lesbian Fair in 1986. And that was called the A Fair [00:00:30] for a fair law at the time for the homosexual law reform. Um and so we're also celebrating our 30th anniversary next year with out in the park. So we have a lot of things planned for next year to celebrate both the homosexual law reform and our own anniversary as well. But I think we're aware that we're Oh, my goodness. This microphone is we're the new chairs out in the park and very much the kind [00:01:00] of new kids on the block out in the park. So over this next year, we're really keen to be, um, hearing more from you about the last 30 years, which we will be doing over 2016 in many ways, but particularly for us around out in the park. So, um, we'll be coming to you all to find out more really about your experiences 30 years ago out in the park and kind of where it's come to from then as well. And you'll be able to tell that we're both, um, newcomers to New Zealand as well. So we weren't here at all. Um [00:01:30] so we really we're really mindful of wanting to create an event for everybody. We want the whole community to be involved. Um, and we want it to be representative of what people want. Uh, like Jack said, Out in the park is a big celebration, and it's fun, but it's not only we don't only want to represent the fun celebration. We also, um, are really focused on our history and where we've come from and wanting to just bring together our communities. So [00:02:00] you'll be very aware that traditionally that out in the park has been about the fair aspect of out in the park, and so that will continue next year, as you would have been used to for the past 30 years in various formats and various locations. So next year we'll be holding the fair in Waitangi Park on March 12th on Saturday, March the 12th. So obviously will be sending more information out about that soon about what that will look like. But just as in previous years, it will. Still, this is the fancy graphics. It will still be what you would expect [00:02:30] around stalls, the free entertainment that the fair has become really renowned for having a very much a community and a family focus. As you can see, our comms team have been busy this week, so I've had to make the slides and I take full responsibility for that. So the fair take note of the date of the fair next year, which will be just as you've expected in the past and had in the past in terms of what the fair and the focus of it is really about. And I will say that this will be our first time in Waitangi Park. We were supposed [00:03:00] to be there this year, as you know, and we're cancelled. So we are working on some contingency plans as well. If the weather doesn't cooperate, so we don't have to cancel next year. Um, and the other. Another big announcement that we're we've made already and making again now is, um, that we'll be having a week long festival event of events as well. Um, we really don't see this as an out in the park festival. We see this as a festival for the whole community, and so our role will be to just help facilitate put together putting together [00:03:30] that festival, um, helping find venues for different events. Um, but really, we want all the different community groups and members to put on their own events, so that could be events that you already put on, and we just slot it right into our programme and advertise it. Um, or you can if there's an event that you always wanted to go to or have, you could just brainstorm those ideas with us, and we can help you put that together. Um, So whether you have experience putting on events or not, we [00:04:00] want everyone to really be involved in that. And so that will be, uh, for the week leading up to the 12th, so march 5th until the 13th. And the purpose of that is because it is the 30th year 30th celebration out in the park as well as the homosexual law reform. So that's why we wanted to extend the kind of celebrations during that week. And again, we'll be sending more information about that soon about how to get involved in that. And we'll help to co ordinate that week long week long set of events. Um, [00:04:30] and then finally, the kind of third aspect of out in the park for 2016 will be the parade, which again we we had. We had the first parade last year, and so we'll be having our second parade this year. And for us, really, the importance of the parade is again about it being very community focused and groups and individuals being very much involved in the creation of that parade as well as participating on the day. So last year we held a series of workshops for the community to create kind of, um, the visual side of [00:05:00] the parade and help us create decorations. Um, and we're we're hoping to hold some of those again. They're very family kind of focused as well. But to come along and get involved with helping us prepare for setting the parade up, which again will be. I hope this year will be along the waterfront going from Frank hi to Waitangi Park and then finally, of course, as well as the kind of preparations for the parade. Hopefully on the day the purpose will be to be as visual and as loud and proud as possible. But again, for it to be very [00:05:30] much about community groups and coming together for that visual aspect of raising awareness throughout Wellington and on the city on the day and that will be on the same day as the fair. So the parade will go along the waterfront and then arrive at the fair. So really, the festival will really just build up all week and end with the the parade and the fair. So we'll have kind of big bang at the end of the week. And again, we really want all the diversity of our community to be represented [00:06:00] in in the festival and the fair and the parade. So we want everyone there. But one thing we are asking today is we are looking for a name for the festival next year so if you can come visit us on the table at the back, we've got a selection of names have been suggested so far. And we'd like you to come and kind of vote on those so that we can start giving the festival a name for the week and then start promoting it and sending you some more information about that. So please come and chat to us about the festival name. Come and give us other suggestions or come and vote on the ones that [00:06:30] we've got already. That'll be great. Thank you. Thank you. Like who remembers the Newtown fair in here? Hands up. Yeah. And who remembers out in the square? Ok, this is a queer history. This is where out in the park has come from. It's it goes back to Newtown Park. And it, um, Des and John [00:07:00] and others involved, um, 29 years ago, 30 years ago next week. So this out in the park is our main celebration during the year for getting us together. So if you want to get involved or you need to find out more, please check out the website, go to the visit Adrian at their desk. Um, and there's a Facebook page as well. Now, I'd like to introduce Captain Leanne Chambers from Overwatch. [00:07:30] Uh, thanks very much, Jack. Um, it's a privilege to be here today, and once again, I take my hat off to the organisers for actually putting on this event. Um, it's actually quite nice to be inside rather I. I love out in the park. And when it was out in the square, but it was always had a tendency to be a bit windy, but it's nice to be inside here where it's it's quite a a nice intimate, um, environment. Um, [00:08:00] I'm Captain Lean Chambers, chair of Overwatch and representing Overwatch today. Here. We also have Hannah Kerr. Put your hand up, Hannah A. I've only got eight minutes, so I'll try and keep it brief. If you want to know anything more about Overwatch, um, and the New Zealand Defence Force, please come and see us at our stand after this. Um, I actually actually represent three minority groups. Um, New Zealand defence force is quite, um um, uh, proactive around diversity. [00:08:30] So I actually represent three minority groups within the defence force one being a lesbian one being a woman and also being a trombone player. So the New Zealand Defence Force, uh, responded to the Human Rights Act of 1993. We immediately recognised, um, single sex relationships as as, um, de facto relationships, which means that, uh, same sex relationships got the same, um, privileges around [00:09:00] housing and other other benefits that, um, straight couples got as well. Um, And for that, we almost sort of preceded marriage equality by 20 years by it almost sort of becoming a non-issue. Some things, our organisation. We've got 14,000 people made up of Army, Navy, Air Force and civilians. Um, and even within that, we have a real mixture of cultures. We have, um, a high proportion [00:09:30] of of Maori. We're gaining a Pacific island. As Asians, we've got all sorts of different religions. And of course, we have our own, um, LGBT community and diversity is seen as a strength within the defence force because it's a a powerful, um, strength when we actually go about doing our business as a defence force Overwatch itself. [00:10:00] We've been set up now for three years, and we see our role as being primarily a peer network. So we support our own, and we support our people through, um, through our Overwatch, um, Internet site through Facebook and through, um, just being out and about within the defence force. Um, we also serve, um, or support a lot of serving parents that actually have LGBT members of the family, whether [00:10:30] they're Children or siblings or even, um, wider members of their of their family. We support command with, um, giving them advice as to how to have that, um, awkward conversation, perhaps with one of their staff members that one of their staff members may have come to them and saying, Well, actually, I've got something to tell you how how we can actually prepare command to actually, um, cope with that and actually be quite, um, prepared and have some, um, [00:11:00] some some good things to say positive things to make it a a pleasurable experience for that for that individual and also for command. And we also, um, provide, um, education to our command as well, by actually explaining what a lot of the terms mean. You know, the the the alphabet, for example. I know there's a lot of people in the room that may be familiar with perhaps one letter of the alphabet. You know, I know what it's like to be a lesbian, but I don't necessarily know what it's like to be gay or trans or intersex. [00:11:30] Um, so we we help sort of break down those barriers by actually sort of explaining those those glossary terms. And, um, it just makes for a better organisation. We have support from the top Chief of Defence Force, the Chiefs of Services. Uh, we've got a new chief people officer who is very supportive of Overwatch and diversity in the defence force chaplaincy. Uh, our principal chaplain is also very supportive of the work that we're [00:12:00] doing as a peer support network. And why do leadership see this as being important? Why is it important to have, um, Overwatch and having a peer support group within the defence force? It's about being authentic. And if you can bring your whole self to your job, then that is only gonna affect That's gonna help with operational effectiveness. I know myself, um, being open [00:12:30] and being who I am, and being able to be authentic at work takes a lot of stress off me. I can just be who I am. If you don't like me, well, that's your problem. But I am there as an individual doing my job, and I can serve openly, and that's tremendous. In my in my books, we've held held a, um, event a couple of years ago called Pride and Defence. And I'm sure some of you in this room have were attended That particular conference. That was the first time that a government department actually held [00:13:00] a, um, a conference that talked about LGBT in the workplace. And we've also, uh, represented the defence force at Pride parades in Auckland. And we've had great response we've had over the last couple of years. We've had at least 100 serving people and also supporters of Overwatch, um, march in the Pride parade. The organisational benefits of having a peer [00:13:30] support network are listed up here. It it breaks down barriers. It it just increases awareness by having um, people within the organisation that support diversity and practise what they preach. It just makes it a a stronger environment. And, of course, within Overwatch, we are there to be role models. Uh, we empower our own and [00:14:00] we also have this sense of community. Um, we're all good friends. And it's the thing with the peer network, too, which I must emphasise, is it crosses all ranks and all services. So, um, not that there's no rank in the military, but it's it's good. It's a good, safe place where we can all be. And if anybody has any questions about Overwatch or the defence force, as I said earlier, come and see us at the desk. Thank you. [00:14:30] Thank you, Leanne. Um, just just a reminder that, uh, there is a curated, um uh, presentation of the Lagan collections happening in the programme room, which is just behind us. It's on at the moment. Probably another 20 minutes to go. But that's not to say to rush off before, um, for our next speaker, who I very rarely get to see before noon at a weekend. Um [00:15:00] uh, Malcolm Malcolm Kennedy Vaughn, Uh, who is representing the Chris We took, uh, memorial. Trust me, if you'd like to come up, please welcome for Mel. Because he's so beautiful. Well, good morning, everybody. It's great to be here And, uh, as, uh, Jack Thank you, babe. It's, uh it's, uh, representing the ska memorial trust. And, uh, I'm gonna digress [00:15:30] about how we actually started the trust in the first place. I'm gonna go back to Silo. Uh, 1989 1991 when we had, um, Caspers around and we had a gay and lesbian dragon boat team. And in order for that dragon boat team to, uh, travel the country and support it and get all the members everywhere. We used to do fundraisers. And we, uh, relied a lot on our, uh, on our girls in the community to, uh, do some show performances for us so we could sell tickets and raise some funds to get this Dragon boat team going. A dearly loved member of, uh, of of our, um, performing [00:16:00] community, um, had had contracted the HIV AD virus. And, uh, for a while there, she stopped performing for us because, uh, due to the virus, she had to have all her teeth removed. The dragon boat sort of team approached her and said, You know, you haven't been doing any shows. I was like, Why not? She said, Well, I can't. I've got no teeth and I can't lip sync with no teeth. So we jumped and said, Well, look, we need to rectify this because we need you on stage because you're a good money spinner for the Dragon Boat team. So the Dragon Boat team, uh, eventually [00:16:30] paid for her teeth so she could get back up on stage, which was absolutely fantastic. Eventually, our dear friend did pass away from HIV and AIDS. A number of our community, um, attended the funeral and I can say to the least, it was quite a sad funeral to attend. Um, it was held in a basement of a house in Newtown in Wellington. Um, a very simple casket, No flowers, not much of a song sheet or anything to go by. Service was short and brief. When we [00:17:00] left the service, the casket was carried out. It was basically thrown onto the back of a two door Mazda rusty utility. And the words we heard were Get rid of it. The whole thing was a Maori transgender and died from HIV. Family did not want to buy it. It was very, very sad. A group of our friends myself, my husband, Scott Kennedy Drew had Kelly Brian Jenkins, all member of the community [00:17:30] stood there and we watched this happen and we said Everybody needs to deserve to die with a bit of dignity. Hence we invented in those days what was known as the Afterlife Memorial Trust. In those days we moved on. Casper had gone. Pound had come along. We still need to raise funds to help with the funeral expenses for people infected with the HIV A. I DS virus to help with prevention. And, uh, we did fundraisers and, uh, all because of this friend of ours. We started [00:18:00] the afterlife Memorial Trust. Most of you will remember the Fabulous from the Evergreen Coffee Lounge in Vivian Street, a strong supporter of the afterlife Memorial Trust. One night of the year, every year, four years, we convinced all the members of our drag community to donate one night of their time. We build up tables of 10. We'd probably have 40 50 60 tables and we sell tickets at 20 bucks a pop and all the girls would donate their [00:18:30] time for a whole night and put on a 2.5 to 3 hour cabaret show from humble beginnings. That's how we raised our money to support this cause our dear friend Chrissy eventually departed. Um, through, uh, a very, very sad situation. Nothing to do with HIV, of course. But she was a strong supporter of, uh, the memorial trust in her honour. When she passed on, we decided to change the name of the trust to become the memorial [00:19:00] trust, which we have today. We have a select board of directors which work tirelessly and voluntarily to make this happen. Uh, it started many years ago. Most of you will also remember the late great Daniel Fielding. Daniel Fielding was, uh, one of the original members of our board of directors. He lived with his partner, uh, Peter. And when Peter dies, he left the house to Daniel, and [00:19:30] Daniel was allowed to live in the house for as long as he possibly could. And when Daniel eventually passed on, the Peter Trust sold the house through Jackie Grant, who was a member of our board of directors. At the present time, she approached the Peter Memorial Trust and said that Daniel was a staunch member of the community. It would be very nice if, uh, the Peter cut trust could donate some funds to our trust, which they did. And they left us. They they gave us a generous amount of money [00:20:00] which we have invested on term deposit. And we've turned that into, um, a significant amount of money which we can allot to the community on need. It's, uh, so far, 22 funerals the trust has paid for or given cash towards. It's all done on, uh, the situation, how much money the family can afford. How much the trust is willing to put in. It varies on, um, perspective and [00:20:30] circumstances. But 22 funerals so far is what the trust has done. This need to work. This trust needs to survive. We don't know when there is going to be a complete cure. Uh, we don't know what's going to be around the corner next. What may pop up So the funds are always going to be there. The Memorial trust provides funds to relieve hardship due to illness or the death of members of the Wellington [00:21:00] Gay, Lesbian and transgender community. The trust also supports organisations with initiatives with common aims to the trust. If you want to know any more about the trust what the work does and, uh, how you can apply for funding. If you need it, pop around. You can pick up a flyer just around the corner here on the right hand side. Read about the trust. It'll tell you everything you need to know about it and how to apply for funding Should you need it. We need to keep this going and we do it through generosity, support [00:21:30] and by allowing from the Peter Trust to have the money that we've got. It saved us from all those humble beginnings of doing all of those hard, hard fundraisers which the community strongly supported. Help us to keep this going. Have a look, grab one of our flyers and support something fantastic in memory of this amazing woman. Thank you for your time. [00:22:00] If if you, um, are having trouble hearing the speakers, please feel free to come forward. There's there's plenty of seats here, and I think it's probably better if we if we, um adjust ourselves in terms of what we're wanting to hear. Rather than try and tell a bunch of queers to quiet down because that's that's well, well, let's just not even go there. Um, I'd like to introduce Pat McIntosh from the glamour phones. Uh um, Pat's [00:22:30] here. Pat is is an is an alto soprano. What were you before you were you? I can't remember where you Pat sings amazingly, um, and is is going to be talking about the glamour phones and singing out in Wellington. Everybody. First of all, I thought we'd start this off. We get a little [00:23:00] bit, um, together on this first of all, who loves music? OK, so that's who can sing. Everybody can sing. Yes. Come on. OK, so we've got, um we've got ourselves split already to the people that would love to come and listen to us and the ones that are thinking Maybe they'd like to come and sing with us. OK, um the glamour phones Boy, do we have fun? We are. Are you probably [00:23:30] Oh, who knows about the glamour phones? Has anyone seen us? Who's seen us? OK, so we've got room for improvement on that one. OK, so we are the Wellington inclusive LGBT Q I choir. Ok, you got that? So basically we welcome anybody. You don't have to be able to read music That is the key thing that will put people off coming and joining the glamour phones. You can come along and listen and see if you enjoy. We have [00:24:00] open rehearsals. And if you say these guys are crazy, I want to come and sing music with them. You're in OK, What? We started in 2007 as the homophones. Uh and then what happened? I told you we're a bit crazy. OK, so and then And then what happened was, um in the Asia Games in 2011, the girls said, Come on, we want to get involved. So the girls joined. And as you can see, we have a diverse of a diverse [00:24:30] amount of age and sexes that come along and sing together and have lots of fun. That's from our zoo concert. Uh, last year. So what we like to do our tagline is singing out in Wellington and we where do we get out? We like to, um, go and sing in different community events or, um or sing, um, in a specific place that will align with the theme of the music that we've chosen for that semester. Um, Saint Andrews is our home. OK, we love [00:25:00] Saint Andrews. They look after us. We're there every Thursday from 6. 30 to 8. 30. That's our rehearsal time. So if you want to come along and have a listen come along, pop along, Say hello. We have open rehearsals, Um, and then you can try out, Um, but that's probably got one of the best acoustics in Wellington, and we love it there. Um, and once a year, we'll go and sing somewhere else. But, uh, Saint Andrews is is our home, Um, our musical director. We had, um our last musical director [00:25:30] was with us for seven years. So that tells you how how great we must be. She's put up with us for seven years. She has since just moved on. And we've got a new musical director Rachel Hyde. Now, Rachel, amazing. She's come over from the UK. She's, um, been with, um, uh, lead symphony orchestras over in the UK. She's been with the, um, NZSO. Um, as, um I can't see. So she's been as something doing with them for six years, and, uh, now she's decided to join the glams and be our musical [00:26:00] director. So we're going from strength to strength. And Rachel has put an amazing sort of, um, vibe that's come into the choir on on what we will be, what we sing and how we learn. And, um, it's just a wonderful experience to be under her conductor ship. OK, so that's the zoo. Now, this is how crazy it gets. We performed at the Wellington Zoo last year with animal themes. We had a dancing beer. Uh, that's one of our our our women in In the soup. [00:26:30] We've been to Dublin. We've been to various voices. It was the first time they actually went overseas. So a contingent of 20 plus went over to Dublin and sang at the World Choir Festival in Dublin. So Munich is in 2018, and we've got our sights set on trying to get a group over to that. Um, this is our last concert, the movies, uh, movie themes. So we sang lovely movie themes at Saint Andrews, and we had a blast. OK, Um, yeah, that's how that's [00:27:00] how silly we get. Um, this is we every every year we have a glamp, which is we go out glamping It's a weekend of work shopping. We have lots of fun. We all get dressed up and be silly, but in amongst that, we learn our songs for the next upcoming concert. So it's a very social, um organisation. There's the guys will split off into, Um, sometimes the guys will sing a song and the woman will sing another song. So there's, um, four part harmony. [00:27:30] You can't You can't beat singing together as, um I think that's that's the major thing about the Glams is Have we got no Oh is when you get a group of mates or people that you get on with and you join together singing a song that you love in four part harmony and have all the socialness buzzing around you. Um, it's It's a pleasure to be part of this organisation. OK, [00:28:00] that's from one of our glamping nights. So glamour phones, we welcome you. If you want to come and sing with us, look us up on the website. It's glamour phones dot org dot NZ. We have a Facebook page that you can, uh, you can go on to, um, with the glamour phones we so you can follow us by that You can, um that's if you're keen on singing Now the other group If you want to come and see and hear and be be stunned [00:28:30] by the glamour phone sound on the 11th of October, our next concert will be on a national coming out day. So we're gonna embrace that day and do two concerts and sing gay anthems. So we'll have the mirror ball, the lighting, the a V, all the bling, and we will be singing. Um, yeah, it'll be gorgeous. OK, so tickets are available on the website, you can reserve a ticket or, um, it's gonna be limited seating. I think it's about 1 90 seats. So, really, if you want to come and [00:29:00] see this concert, please reserve yourself a ticket. I don't think you'll get one at the door. OK, next year we have confirmed we will be doing a Jack's lingering. We will be doing 1/30 anniversary concert in June, so keep your eyes out for that with lots of lovely Avi and historical images behind us. So, um, just keep an eye out for the glam and come along and see our concert in four weeks time. Thank you very much. [00:29:30] And And one of the lovely things I like about the glams having joined it myself is, um is the soprano section stunning? Um, and that, uh, the open rehearsal means says that actually means there's no auditions. Um, so that was another, you know, attraction for me. No judgement there, but somehow we make amazing noise. And that's, [00:30:00] um, all due to our musical director. And I think the commitment of all of us to actually turn up and which is, um, probably 50 of us on a on a really good night. So, yeah, that's great. Um, our next speaker before we head into the panel discussion is, um well, two speakers and they're from the the youth organisation, uh, inside out. And I'm pretty sure you would have read something over the year about the, um, the honours that have been awarded [00:30:30] to tabby bes and for her work in setting up this group. Uh, and if, um and she brings with her today Bella Simpson as well. So is Bella with you today? Yeah. Oh, hi, Bella. Yeah. So if we can give a really warm round of applause to these stunning young people. Everyone, um, I'm Tabby, and this is Bella. So we're [00:31:00] from inside out. Um, inside out is a national organisation. Um, and our main aim is working to support young people all across a, um in schools and communities to try and make those safe environments. Um, we know that young people in our community are at really high risk facing mental health challenges, Um, and often being bullied at school and having quite a hard time. So our work is about trying to change that, um, and make New Zealand a safer place for all of them. Um, so we started off, um, in Nelson. I [00:31:30] went to a high school. Um, that was the first in the Asia Pacific region that we know of to have a queer straight alliance group. Um, which was just Yeah, it meant so much to me when I was kind of figuring out my sexuality and coming out, um, to have that in my school, saying that who I was was OK, um, and kind of providing that support, which I guess, yeah, made it easier for me to come out a lot earlier and kind of accept myself. Um, this is a photo of us planting a diversity tree. Um, in our school, um, we started to get students from all [00:32:00] of the other schools in Nelson wanting to come and, um join our school because it was known as a safer place. Um, for queer and trans students, Um, which was nice. But that's not, I guess, realistic. You can't have all the queer students in one school, and every school needs to be safe. So we started to support, um, young people in Nelson to set up groups in their schools as well. Um, and we then went on to set up key youth, which is a community, um, organisation with a drop-in centre now on Trafalgar Street. Um, that runs after school, um, programmes similar to schools out and transform [00:32:30] in Wellington Um, which is really awesome for the young people who want a place outside of school to meet as well. Um, And then we saw the kind of the effects that that group was having in Nelson and that we were getting lots of requests for people on how to set up these groups in their schools and other parts of the country. Um, so we set up, um, as a national organisation when I moved to Wellington, Um, shout out to because, um, the intersex trust was incredibly, um, supportive of us when we first started umbrella us, um, to set [00:33:00] up as a charity. Um, and those are some pictures from one of our who, um, that we ran at in Wellington. Um, and now, yeah, we changed our name to inside out at the start of this year, and I kind of rebranded and looking at what are the gaps? Um, for young people in our community and what kind of things that we might want to do in the future? I don't know what's happened. Um, all right, um, so one of our campaigns, as supposed to up there just before is the day of silence. So that's a national campaign in [00:33:30] high schools, um, where students don't speak for the day. And it represents the silence that lots of young people in our community go through about their identity because of bullying. Um, and the campaign is all about raising that awareness. Um, and then working with schools and students together to kind of put an end to homophobic biphobic and transphobic bullying and really stop that in their school. So that might be through setting up a group in a school. Um, might be looking at their policies. Um, what options they have for, um, gender neutral uniforms and bathrooms and a whole array of other things. Um, yeah. [00:34:00] Bella is going to talk to you a bit about some of the projects that we're working on at the moment and coming up. So this year, we had, uh, chef, which was a national where a whole lot of young people came together at, and we just had a really great time. This is all of us. As the volunteers, we did some great workshops and they learned a whole lot. We then took that, um, in a smaller model and we went to and we did it with a small group there with some of the people who had come to the national one, which was really exciting. And [00:34:30] then some of our upcoming projects are at the moment. We're working on resources, So one of them is how to set up a QS a in your school, and the other one is for how schools can, um, be safer. More including and supportive for gender diverse youth. So there are a few of the things we're working on, and we're also starting a radio show in the next month or so. So that's sort of in its very early stages, but it's something quite exciting that we're starting. It will be with Wellington access radio. Um, I think on Thursday at four. [00:35:00] Yeah. Yeah. It'll be on our Facebook page when it starts up. Yeah. And then, um, one thing that we do always struggle with is funding. So we're selling chocolate bars today. They trade aid, fair trade, and the total is 50. So if you're hungry, you should go and buy a couple. It would be really helpful. Thank you. Um, and also in October. Watch out. We've got a, um, kind of slam poetry performance fundraiser at Meow on October 22nd. Um, so it'll be awesome to have people come along and support um, that with [00:35:30] yeah, Rainbow Labour are helping organise that for us. And there's gonna be, um yeah, all the proceeds to inside out to help us with the work we're doing. Um, one of the other projects we're working on at the moment is a group, um, in Wellington that supports the local student leaders of Quest Alliance groups. Um, so that's a chance for them to come together once a month and get, um, kind of peer support and training from us. Um, and some of us who have kind of been in those roles and know how. Yeah, that can be quite a responsibility in school to be leading a group like that. Especially when you've got I think, Especially when you're one of a few [00:36:00] out people in a school, and you've got all these other people coming to you for support. So it's a way of us trying to provide that, um, yeah, support for them as well. Um, awesome. Come chat to us. You can sign up for our newsletter on our website. Um, buy chocolate. Thank you. Thank you. So the afternoon session mic session is about [00:36:30] to begin. Um, the first, um, presentation will be from, uh, Rainbow, Tim Wellington and different strokes. So if I could ask, uh, Frank and Virginia to come along and we'll get that session started. Thanks, Kevin. Um, Virginia? Um, I'm representing. Thanks. do. I'm representing Rainbow Team Wellington or Tim Wellington for short. And the aim [00:37:00] of Rainbow Team Wellington is to support attendants at out games and gay games events. The idea is to get queer locals to give a sport a go. Try it out. Why not, um, perhaps give you a goal for, um, to keep your training as well to attend one of those events and do your best and most importantly, to connect with others in your community as well. So that's the whole idea. If you've been to an out games or a gay Games event, you know that it's gorgeous [00:37:30] when everybody travels as a group and you clear up a city and that's what we're about. So I'm gonna hand it over to Frank. He's gonna tell you a little bit about different strokes. Wellington. It's one of the groups that we're helping to support. OK, uh, thank you, Virginia. Oh, there we go. Thank you, Virginia. Um, yes. As I said, my name is Frank. I'm representing different strokes. Wellington, the swimming club for, uh, DL BT community and our straight allies. And [00:38:00] I just like to echo what? Uh, Virginia just said that, um, the the purpose of the group is to build community and, um and, uh, and help you and and, uh, as as a a social organisation to build community and learn to swim and have fun with it. And we're open to all swimmers, whether it's your first time in the pool or you're an advanced swimmer, and we have sessions Monday through Thursday evenings and starting at We're right at Thornton pool now, but starting at the end of October, [00:38:30] we will be in the newly refurbished Kilburn pool. Our current coach is Gareth Keane. He represented New Zealand in the 2012 Olympics, and he's also a silver medalist from the 2010 Commonwealth Games. So we're really honoured to have him as our coach. And he's an excellent coach for both advanced swimmers and even beginners. We have our sessions involve two lanes, so we have a fast lane and a beginner lane so you can swim in whatever lane you feel is most comfortable. Um, what was next? Oh, yes. So we charge $8.50 [00:39:00] for each session. And this helps, uh, pay for the cost of Gareth coaching and the lane fees But you could also get a 10 trip card for $75. We also have a student and community card service holder fee of just $4 per session. And, um, and to join us, you can just contact us via email or Facebook or just turn up at one of our sessions. We'd love to see you. OK, thank you. [00:39:30] Well, these things go really quick. It's really good. But I just wanted to reiterate, in terms of sports, there are other sports clubs around as well. Badminton, Um, running, bowling, temp and bowling. Same sex dancing. You name it if it's not there now start it. So yeah. So the next, um, group that we have is, uh, Alan Faet from Lilac. [00:40:00] OK, I'm speaking about your Friendly Neighbourhood lesbian library in Wellington. It's open right now and will be until two o'clock this afternoon. A bit of history. Uh, 1993. Linda Evans. Uh, put a call on lesbian radio late in the year. Um, any women interested in forming a lesbian library in Wellington? A meeting at the YWC A where else and all the usual [00:40:30] suspects turned out a whole bunch of librarians and other interested in women interested women. And we decided, Yes, we can do a lesbian library. And we spent 10 months planning ang processing, fundraising, ang over premises, shopping, cataloguing books, collecting shelves. And then in 17th of September 1994 we opened. And yeah, we are still here in 2015, which is not bad. [00:41:00] And when we opened collections, a modest 470 books, some new, some donated now over 2600 plus some magazines and newsletters. Now there's only glossy magazines from overseas. We had videos for a number of years, and then people stopped watching videos. And now we have DVD S, and you can see that there has not been exceptional, uh, inflation and our annual subscription rate subscription organisation, [00:41:30] pay an annual sub and then borrow and borrow and borrow and moving right on. As a thoroughly modern organisation, we have a website which is nowadays optimised also for mobile handheld, which is everyone is using. And on the website we have an online catalogue and two flavours. This the flashy, glossy one for the wide screens and this boring or title lists. And there's also a full [00:42:00] text page which links to full text lesbian text on the Internet. Uh, that was one of my winter projects this year to upgrade that, but it hasn't happened, but we can. There's also membership information. You can download a membership form and do online banking to pay the sub. What more could you want? And, of course, is also on Facebook. Yay! I have 600 members on our Facebook page. Thank you, Mary, for keeping it bubbling over. And we have a Twitter account [00:42:30] which I don't know much about, because I only log onto Twitter once a year now. In the course of our life, Lila has had five different homes, which is not bad for bottom feeding organisation when it comes to rents. And the collective over the years has become extremely adept at setting up. And this shows our set up at 2009 and our last second to last premises, where we in one day, went into a bed room with this mountain of cartons [00:43:00] in the middle of it and put up the shelves and shelved the books and then demolished all the home baking. Nowadays, our current room is so flash, we call it the Lounge, and we don't just run a lending library. We have events. Pat Rosie are launching a book, A Secret celebrity Visit, which we couldn't advertise to the general lesbian community from Alison earlier, a monthly book club and uplifting speakers coming [00:43:30] in to address us. That's one woman in the military, which is not very clear. Three lesbians and a Trans woman came in and panel discussion events for fun and fundraising. We party any time the drop of a hat. We've had a quiz night there where we jam 36 women and 16 card tables into the room speed dating the late Pauline Simmons started that at We Do Speed, dating one at the Lesbian, her story archives in New York. That [00:44:00] organisation can do speed. Dating Lila can do speed dating, too, and we also had some drag kings in for a show and tell session, and Lila is also out and about in the community. We have been fundraising at the Gay and Lesbian Fair since 1994 6 months before we opened, and this year we were also in the Love Parade and we give thanks to our wonderful benefactors, [00:44:30] the Armstrong and Arthur Charitable Trust for lesbians, our patron say better to be. Thank you, Armstrong and Arthur. That's the lesbian library. If you're a lesbian, we've got a table down the back. You can come and look at some of our collection we brought along and you can pick up a membership form and a free fridge magnet. Any questions? I drop a new point. Thank you, Ellen and the Lilac [00:45:00] Library and lounge. Um, before I introduce the next group just a couple of key messages, uh, always, uh, opens their arms to new friends. Uh, so people who want to be part of a support network to the Lesbian and Gay Archives of New Zealand um, go along to our gas desk and and register There is a fee you can find out more there. I'm just a good news person. So the next group that, [00:45:30] uh, is going to be spoken about is the Lesbian Overland Walking Group and come along and talk to us about that. Um, I came back to Wellington in 1990 after being in Auckland and walking with hikes and Lesbian over Landers and Coffee Club was already in existence. So only Allen, who's just been [00:46:00] on being our historian, will tell you when it started. But, um, anyway, it's a walking group meets every month on Sundays. It's been going for ever. Um, I got conned to coordinating, um, some years ago now, but basically it runs on the energy of any woman who sort of wants to run a walk on a Sunday can, Um, just, you know, put one up and we'll all pile along and do it. There's actually a walk tomorrow, 10 [00:46:30] o'clock meet at Wellington Railway Station. Um, and it's a beach cleanup out at and you come to the railway station and we that's our usual meeting place. So it's sort of spot a dike at sort of, um, 50 paces anywhere around the railway station, but, uh, it's usually at the front pedestrian entrance if you're looking for us. But otherwise you just have to go around and ask a whole lot of women if they're looking for a lesbian walking group and you get some really interesting responses used to ask for, [00:47:00] uh, anyone looking for die Cos. When I was new from Auckland, but I realised a lot of Dutch people get really confused. And, um, we got some unexpected people on walks, but, um so, um uh, and the walks, um it's good if you do a little bit of walking. If people ring me and say, Well, what do I have to do to join the group? You don't have to do a damn thing, but it would be probably good if you walk from here to the railway station and back and check. You can do it without having to sit down. Uh, but otherwise [00:47:30] the walks are are are really friendly, and no one minds how slow we go because we just gossip more and, um and it's really good networking. We get a, um, because the way to find the groups is on Ellen's lesbian Wellington website. We get a lot of women that are new to Wellington and a lot of coming out women. So it's sort of we either have a long lunch break so that people can do their coming out and we can share our coming out stories or whatever they want or need, Um uh, or we walk [00:48:00] really slowly. So don't don't not come because you're a slow walker, we'll accommodate that. Or you'll find, um, on the website when the walks described, uh, we'll tell you if it's gonna be strictly uphill, and you know you can make your own choice. So what else can I tell you? Uh, so it's 10 o'clock Wellington Railway Station once a month on Sundays. Um, there's usually a meeting place, say, at at the railway station as well, or the women sometimes share. Um, [00:48:30] the walks are usually three or four hours, but that's not solid walking. And, um, there's always a coffee stop at the end. That's how we got the name. So sometimes it's quite a challenge, uh, like to find to make sure there's a cafe at the end of the walk. But, you know, so that's an advanced skill. When you've been coming on walks for a while is to find one that or find the cafe closest to the end of your walk. Um, we also join with various, um, other lesbian communities. [00:49:00] So, uh, like, there's a woman in that, um, has a national sort of website. And so when we do the torero crossing over a weekend, she organises that and we just put it up on, um, on the lesbian Wellington site. And, um, we also organise weekends away Sometimes, uh, we've had, um a weekend down at the pinnacles in the staying at one of the dock lodges and another weekend in a dock lodge, [00:49:30] uh, over in the, um uh, which was really great. Um, what else can I tell you? So you do come along if you even don't. Don't worry about getting too fit. First, uh, we'll we'll encourage you. Um um, but just come along and we welcome. Welcome new people all the time. And tomorrow it's so and And Ellen is usually the second Sunday, second Sunday of the month. [00:50:00] And Ellen not only puts the walk up, but she'll, um, check all the details. So if if I put up a walk and it's lambing season and you can't actually walk where I've said, she'll tell me in heaps of times so I can change it, So yeah, I look forward to seeing you. Well, some of you, but hi. Oh, it's really loud. Oh, my God. How I gather around, Gather around. Auntie [00:50:30] is talking. Whatever you're talking about, you can talk about it later. How I come on this seats I don't know if there's enough seats. Anyway, Now that I've got your attention, I love attention. I have, like, attention deficit disorder like I don't ever get enough attention. I like this microphone. It's loud. Come on, people, Come to the front I see you there You're breaking my heart Don't break my heart Don't break Auntie's heart [00:51:00] I forgot to put my mascara on It's in my thing And if anyone is allergic to the smell of nail polish you should probably let me know Because I'll be putting that on too. Yeah, so we got the the kind of general movement forward Sound guy, If you turn it down, I just speak louder to the microphone. It's true. So welcome everybody to the National Library for History Show and tell, um, I'm not really sure why we're doing it, but I do know if we don't record our history, no one else will. Yeah, that's right. Um and we're [00:51:30] a kind of funny community because I don't have little drag queen babies. Um, I'm actually barren. It's tragic. It was. I'm as baron as Mars and actually they lost one of the Mars rovers on me. That's actually what happened to it. I was like, What the hell? I thought it was like a giant pubic life, but it was, um, Discovery, like, get off bad. OK, well, that's probably as many people as I can realistically hope to lure to the front. So, um, we, uh, welcome you to the open mic session. [00:52:00] Um, so, first of all, uh, representing outtakes. A real queer film festival, which has been an institution, I think, in Wellington for maybe 10 years at least. Um is, uh, Simon Fulton? Yeah. Come on, Simon. Yeah, I'm from the Outtakes Film Festival, which, uh, actually started 20 years ago here in Wellington in 1995. But it has been a nationwide event Up until this [00:52:30] year, you might have noticed because we didn't go ahead with the festival this year. Um, so the main reason for that is money. Uh, we Our festival last year left us with a loss, and we sort of need to have funds in place after each festival in order to seed the following year's festival. So we're here today really? To, um, find out what the community want from us. Do they still want outtakes? Because we are keen to bring back a a smaller festival [00:53:00] next year, perhaps a few films over a long weekend and maybe some, uh, fundraising screenings leading up to them. But we're really open to hearing everyone's ideas. And we're really open to hearing from anyone who wants to get involved with us and help, uh, keep the festival alive. If indeed you want it to stay alive because it does cost, like it costs up to $200,000 every year to run the outtakes festival. Most of that is from the box office. It it funds itself. And then there's some generous funders and [00:53:30] sponsors who who leave us with the the seed money to go ahead each year. But, um, we just couldn't do it this year. We would have just got more into debt, so, um, I don't really know. Oh, you got the info up there, so, yeah, we'd like to hear from anybody. Just what? What? What do you want to see from the festival? Do you still want it? What sort of format would you like it to be in do you want to help out? Um, because we're we're just open to all sorts of ideas at the moment. Um, one thing that [00:54:00] I will say is the biggest year we ever had was 2003, so that's quite a long time ago. That was the biggest number of tickets we ever sold was over 10 years ago, and ticket sales have been down ever since. Of course, that was a day and age when people didn't download films so much they weren't sitting at home looking at things on their laptops. So I don't know if that's part of it or whether people just get enough queer images from other sources. General movies, TV. Maybe they don't feel like they need a community event to go out and see images on the big screen. But, [00:54:30] you know, we want to know. We want all the feedback. And if anyone would like to join our group and and help some sort of festival continue, we'd love to hear from you. OK, we're gonna set up a give a little page too. Aren't we given? Is that set up? No, It will be set up soon, and we've got a mailing list around there. If you don't hear anything from us, please join the mailing list, because you will soon. Thank you. Um, actually, I Hi, everyone. Hi. That was great. We could play, like, talk show. You know that game. Like we've all watched morning television, [00:55:00] you know, with instant coffee and a Rothman that you promise you wouldn't have again. Um, so if anyone wants to Kind of what? What was the question you had for the audience? Well or anything. I'd like to know what what people want from the festival. What sort of format of festival do they want? A big two week festival like we've been doing for 20 years. Or would a smaller thing or a separate fundraising events at different months throughout the year? We We just want to hear everybody's ideas of what they would like to see us do, because we can't go ahead with the format. So, um, shall I run out into the audience? [00:55:30] Can we can play talk show? Oh, well, And Tony is your too cool for school. We we've got a stall around the corner. Just come and talk to us there and and just give us all your ideas and and you got Yeah. OK, cool. Hi. What's your name? Hi. My name is Kathleen. Hi, Kathleen. And where have you joined us from today? Um, I'm from schools out or outer spaces. I'm from outer space. Oh, my God, that's amazing. And I tell that to my psychiatrist, which is how I get the really good pills. [00:56:00] So what was your question? Um, now, forgotten it? Um, no. So schools out. Sorry. I hold this, um, schools out is, um, a youth support group. Um, and basically, we'd love to see, um, if the festival does come back this year, which I really hope it does, um, more youth focused films or, like, youth friendly films and events and, like, I'm personally quite keen to help make that happen. Um, so my focus would probably be on, like if we had more youth films, we would bring a group of 40 [00:56:30] kids to come and see those films. Um, so by youth films, you you mean ones that have a general rating not restricted, which is very difficult. We're trying to find films based on sexuality, which are PG, um, which I have a like we do film screenings, often for our young people, but it's very hard to source that content. Um, so I'd be I'd be happy to help source that content and then have a way to screen it. And then I think we could bring the young people. So that's a very particular demographic. But just so you guys know, I'd be keen to help with that. Yeah. Um, definitely. [00:57:00] It sounds great. Oh, thank you. It's hard to know in advance what rating a film is gonna get. You know, you can be excited about a film and book it and then find it gets a restricted rating a few weeks before you. You want to screen it, but sounds good. Does anyone else want to play Rachel Ray? Look, it's like those little cards that they always hold. What is on Oprah's card? I don't know, but she's got them. Anyone else with them? OK, we'll give a warm round of thanks to Simon. [00:57:30] I'm sorry. I haven't had the requisite number of fat whites this morning to be useful. This one's a lot louder. Yeah. OK, so, um, coming up next, we've got Emma Kelly Who's going to be talking about the biography of Jonathan Dennis? Uh and she Well, someone is. It's written on this piece of paper. The director of the New Zealand Film Archives. [00:58:00] Oh, look at camera. Hey, do you wanna take my photo again? Does anyone want to come up for a selfie? Oh, you do? Come on. Come on, girl, come up. Have a selfie with and the microphone. It's the attention my mother so cruelly denied me. Excellent. I I spent the last last six years working on, um, one project. It's the biography [00:58:30] of Jonathan Dennis, and he's well known for founding the New Zealand Film Archive In 1969. Jonathan was 16. He just moved to Wellington with his family, and he wrote to the secretary of the Homosexual Law Reform Society. And he said, I'd like to join your society. I'd like to support your movement. I'm not gay, but I want to support your society. And the secretary of the Homosexual Law Reform Society was actually kind of freaked out by the letter because it was from a 16 year old [00:59:00] boy and he thought, Well, are we gonna get in trouble if we invite a 16 year old boy to our meeting, so he said, You can come, but you have to bring a chaperone. So Jonathan Dennis is a 16 year old would come along to Law Reform Society meetings, and he'd bring his dad with him. So in Jonathan's family, he never really had to come out. He simply was himself. Uh, and his family always supported him when he decided in the seventies he was going overseas to Europe with his two boyfriends at the time, Seth Townsend and, [00:59:30] uh, F Hendrix. They all moved into Jonathan's parents' house in Central Terrace. They had AAA water bed big enough for the three of them, and apparently in the 19 seventies, water beds in New Zealand were quite exotic. So they were a pretty flash couple, the three of them in their little water bed. Jonathan Dennis helped found the New Zealand Film Archive. He was the founding director in 1981 so the same year as the Springbok tour. Unlike John Key, Jonathan Dennis can remember that he did support, um, the [01:00:00] protests against the Springbok tour. So he was involved in the marches there, Um, Jonathan Dennis and the film archive have always been involved in creative work. So even though the film archive started as the New Zealand Film Archive and based on a very European North American tradition to begin with, it quickly realised that actually the joy of the content, um in in the archive was a lot of Maori material. So there's a 1929 film called [01:00:30] The Devil's Pit, and it starred a woman called Harris, who was from, and Jonathan met her in 1982. He said, We've got this old film we think you might have starred in it Is this you? And she said, Oh yeah, that's me. And from then on, she became the of the New Zealand Film Archive. By the time Jonathan left the film archive in 1990 it was Guy, which is the guardians of treasured images of light. Today it's [01:01:00] sound and vision because it incorporates the television, the sound and the film archives if we can flick along a little. Jonathan was a a great lover of, uh, films. Elizabeth Taylor was one of his favourites. His mother hated her, but she loved uh, he loved her a lot and Lily and a silent film star, was also another of his favourite actresses. Jonathan was in an early theatre group in, uh, [01:01:30] Wellington called Amos. Uh, Paul Monda came out of that, as did Sam. Neil. Jonathan's big sister just gave me some photos for the first time on the weekend, showing those guys in the 19 seventies um, doing publicity for one of their films, which was on 51 The waterfront strike. If we can keep moving along here is the first, uh, uh, version of the film archive and keep moving along. Uh, Jonathan realised that he could take the films all around the country and [01:02:00] get interest for them. So they started by going up the Wanganui River because they had. They had these early ethnographic films by Elston Best. And they found that the communities there responded quite differently than sort of formal, um, European type, uh, film festival crowds who would be quite quiet and, um respectful in a particular kind of way of the images they were seeing when you went out into onto people like that, Are you so and so? And there would be a different kind of conversation about who was in these images. And what [01:02:30] Jonathan and the film archive realised was the expertise of these particular films was actually out on and out in communities. So they began to communicate and cooperate more. They became a bicultural archive, which has a 50 50 Maori board, which has been very important to, uh, the way the archives developed over time. And this is Hawaii. This is Barry Barkley, a very important New Zealand filmmaker with Harris the of the archive and Jonathan Dennis in 1987. [01:03:00] If we carry on, uh, Jonathan was involved in enormous, uh, New Zealand film exhibitions in Italy. Uh, one of them was at, uh uh, and I've written a book on Jonathan Dennis, and it's being launched this year at that festival, Uh, in the north of Italy. This is Jonathan interviewing Tim. Uh uh uh, he was He was an early, uh, filmmaker from New Zealand. In the silent time, they're moving into the sound time He actually [01:03:30] made his own sound film cameras. Uh, Jonathan, I think one of these awards actually has Gareth Watkin's name on it. Jonathan worked for years and years with Gareth Watkins. Who's here from pride NZ dot com, and he's recording this event today. They did a lot of creative work together because Jonathan began to do, uh, radio shows called the Film Show, which are quite well known, um, on concert and national radio, and they also created soundscapes. So one of the amazing ones he did with Elizabeth Ally was called a day without art [01:04:00] and that, uh, linked in with the International Day without Art to and commemorate people with HIV a ID who were involved in the arts and what happened to them. Um, and they did this great soundscape that was a finalist at the New York, uh, radio awards. Uh, Jonathan and Jan Bay ringer created film in a New Zealand. There were 22 different versions of this because it was so popular. And it brought together a lot of different thinkers like Leonie Pham, Peter Wells and other people [01:04:30] talking about film. OK, silent migration was, uh, I think probably the project Jonathan was perhaps most proud of he worked on for 10 years with Patricia Grace and rams. This, uh uh was the oral History project, which became a book project about, uh young Maori club and, uh, their their passage over time. Oh, it's disappeared. That's OK. It's being a bit slow. I'm trying to remember, uh, which the next one is [01:05:00] in, uh, 2001. Jonathan was dying of cancer, and he had a great network of friends and family who wanted to help him die at home. And at that time, their their mate, Peter Wells, the filmmaker, came down and he wanted to create a portrait of Jonathan's really amazing house, which was behind Kent on Edge Hill. It was very colourful. It had a lot of lovely objects in it. Uh, when when Peter Wells got to, uh uh, if you just keep moving on, Here we go. Here's a still from the film. When Peter [01:05:30] Wells got to the house, he found Harris the of the archive, and Jonathan's best friend was with him in the house, and this film then became a portrait of their friendship. Hence, the film was called Friendship as the Harbour of Joy, Um, and it played at the film festival, and I was an image archivist at the New Zealand Herald in 2004 when this film came out, and that was the first time I'd ever heard of Jonathan. Dennis. And I thought, Oh, he looks really interesting. I want to read that book about him and there wasn't one. So I got talked into doing a PhD which [01:06:00] has now turned into a book. So, um, on the 23rd of September at 5. 30 sound a vision. That book is going to be, um, launched. So anyone is very welcome to come along. If you RSVP me for an invitation, you can come for free to the, uh, screening of the only film Johnny Jonathan ever made about Ted that, um, silent filmmaker Mouth mouth wide open that he made in 1988. Um, the the overall theme of of the book is really [01:06:30] this conversation about the notion of the archive as a biography of a nation. Can it be who gets to decide what's included and excluded in the archive? And I think that's been a really a big theme of today who gets to decide what is remembered and what is forgotten. Um, and I've got postcards which are pictures of Jonathan's house from the time just before he died, they're sitting there for free on the round table at the back. If you want to help yourself to any, uh, I think that's it. Thank you very much. [01:07:00] 11 more tiny thing. This is actually a plug for somebody else's book. Matt Cook just came to New Zealand from London, and he's written this amazing book called Queer Domesticity. And he looks at the last 120 years of queer homemaking in London. And I think that's a great example of creating one's own space. It's not just, um, on the street, but also in the home and how people have done that. And it's an absolutely beautiful book, and you might want to have a look at it. Thanks. [01:07:30] Hi, everyone. Hey, um, thank you very much. I want to say Emily, is that right? I'm really Emma. I'm really bad with names, Emily, You know, as long as I don't call the wrong name out in the heat of passion, I think we'll be all right. Um, yeah, I feel like this, um, needs a little It's actually it's actually, um a fake from the from the Turkish bazaar. My friend Rose picked it up from me. So it says versa or something [01:08:00] on it, but it's not. Really? See, that's much nicer. Isn't that nicer? Yeah. No, I can't read my notes. Yeah, that's not really working. Um, so coming up next to someone very dear friend of mine who gave me some very confused grown up feelings when I was a younger drag queen, Um, the Bishop, the bishop made me very confused. The bishop was so sexy, and I had feelings that I thought I [01:08:30] wouldn't have about a bishop. Not since the incident. Anyway, So, um, organiser of the Pala Fantabulosa event, which has been running for a long time. Are you gonna talk to that? I said, Oh, you should come up there and get me off the microphone. Otherwise, I'll keep going. Give it up for a Jack. It's a cardinal, not a bishop. Um, so OK, this [01:09:00] is gonna be two presentations really quickly squeezed into one. So firstly, uh, the Taos, um, group. Uh, OK. There is a historical basis to that group. Being set up was it's in its sixth year. It's, um we've It's a social group. It's very inclusive. Anyone who is allowed into a bar can come to it and we go to different bars each month, so it serves a sort of social networking purpose [01:09:30] as well. Um, the idea for it came about because a number of lesbian bars had been set up over the last 20 or so years, which had sort of there was outrage in our bar and and then maybe a couple of others, and they they did their time. And then they tended to fold quite unceremoniously, and people ended up having to go to Australia for various reasons for a while to get over it before they came [01:10:00] back. Um, so was set up as a way for, uh for people who didn't necessarily want to be going to the gay bars and wanted to see some of the other bars around town and and to network and socialise and so on. And my main aim is to pretty much stop another lesbian bar being opened and seeing people crash and burn. So I know it sounds really weird, but that's what I'm after. Anyway. It's proving successful 40 50 people [01:10:30] turn up each time and and we have a lot of fun. Um, and we do some small fundraising at each event for, um for transform as as part of a contribution there. The other thing that I want to talk about is, um, homosexual law reform commemorations next year And, uh, that just to keep encouraging groups, individuals, um, organisations to really think about becoming part of those commemorations and part of a calendar [01:11:00] next year so that we can really celebrate what has been achieved and also think about what still needs to happen in terms of, um, in terms of rights and where we're going as Rainbow Communities. There's a Facebook page called HLR 2016 Wellington 30th anniversary, and that's that's to try and keep people in the loop around what is happening. There's no organising group as such, but hopefully we can get a calendar going where people can see their various events [01:11:30] during the year. And I know out in the park is coming in with that theme of, um HLR 30 next year. So I'm I'm gonna be really fast there. Yeah, OK, thank you. Yeah. Thanks, Jack. Um, so coming up next, we've got, uh, Kathleen Winter. And are we in the audience? Oh, hey, Hey, come up, Come up to the stage. Um, and they're speaking for a variety of groups. [01:12:00] Um, outer spaces like myself transform schools out social fruits and, uh, naming New Zealand. And we actually have a second microphone there as well, if one of you or you want to share this one? So a big round of applause for Kathleen and Van. Ok. Hi, everyone. Um, my name is Kathleen. I'm from outer Spaces. Um, which is our new umbrella organisation, Um, which is an umbrella for four youth [01:12:30] focused organisations, Um, which are schools out transform, naming New Zealand and social fruits. Um, and my co-host I'm and I'm the new transform coordinator. And also in naming New Zealand. So we're gonna, like, back and forth a little bit and just do a quick summary of each group, and we'll definitely keep to eight minutes. So take it away. OK, First group is transform. It's been around for about eight years, and [01:13:00] we've been holding fortnightly support groups every yeah, every two weeks in Wellington. It's mostly for, um, trans youth. Um gender queer youth non-binary youth. Uh, we also have social events which have been running on and off like we've been doing, uh, coffee visits and shop trips. And we booked out Kilburn pool, uh, over summer last year, which was really, really cool. Um, we've been also been making online resources such as our stories and what we wish. Like our GPS. And our nurses actually knew about what it's like to be a transgender youth in Wellington at the moment. [01:13:30] Um, and the last thing that we're doing at the moment is we're doing a survey of all the transgender youth trying to get their experiences and their opinions about what Wellington needs to change and to improve their quality of life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, uh, the next group that we represent is schools out. Um, schools out has been around for ages. I think it's like 17 years. I think next year we might be 18. I may have made that up, but it's a pretty good excuse for a party. Um, so schools that is a social slash support [01:14:00] group for, um, queer and trans young people usually, um, school age. So, teenagers, we get the cool teens. Um, we run support groups every single week here in Wellington and also in lower hut. Um, we do holiday activities. Um, we've done a sleepover. We do a lot of movie days and stuff like that, trying to show a queer cinema and doing discussions. Um, we've got a little zine at our table that the youth made. We made badges. We do a lot of cool, crafty stuff. Um, yeah, we've also there's a new group up [01:14:30] in called Project Youth, which is kind of doing the same thing, but for their region. And we've been doing some linking with them and bringing the young people down, Um, once a term to hang out. So that's quite cool. Bringing our groups together, um, Also schools out has, uh, often does gender and sexuality education in schools. They go to do one or two lessons just to try and broaden that curriculum, which at the moment tends to be quite limited. Um, and the next thing on the horizon is next year, in honour of the, [01:15:00] um, 30 years, homosexual law reform and also our 18th birthday is we're hoping to do a queer and trans youth ball. Um, which we're very early in our planning, and I think we've literally just agreed with inside out that we'll do it together so we'll try and make that as big an event as we can. Black ties and stuff. But anyway, that's us. Yeah, and the next group is a really new group. It's called Naming New Zealand, and that's a collaboration with, uh, me at Kathleen as well. Yep. Uh, Kate from, uh, amazing [01:15:30] Kate and Rosie from law. And the idea is that we're fundraising to help transgender, gender diverse and intersex youth update their identity documents because it might be for a lot of people, like, easy to raise, you know, 100 and $50 to change your name or whatever, but if you're a transgender youth, it's incredibly difficult. So we've been fundraising to get, um, the funds to help, uh, these transgender and gender queer, uh, gender nonconforming youth update their identity documents. We've also been making, uh, identity resources online. How to do it yourself, um, [01:16:00] and connecting youth with community law. And right now we're just focused on Wellington. But we've got big plans to go nationwide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not done yet. Um, the final group that we have is social fruits, which is a social group for, um, queer and trans young people who are over 18. So, like you're not that young, but you still consider yourself young. Then you probably [01:16:30] belong in that group. Um, they kind of hang out in places that aren't bars. It's kind of an alternative to the bar scene because they find a lot of, um, our queer young people leave our groups and they don't really know where to find other queer people outside of like Ivy. So we try and make other spaces for that. So it's just a social group. They hang out, they eat a lot of pizza, Um, watch queer films and go out for dinner a lot. Um, at the moment, it's quite an active Facebook group that you can join, um, where a lot of people post like [01:17:00] flat flatmate wanted ads. So if you guys are looking for queer accommodation, then that's the group for you. Um, I think that's, uh, one. Last thing is that if you're interested in helping out with name New Zealand, we have a fundraising movie event, uh, in October and we are selling tickets up at our little table. Thank you. Hey, thank you very much. That sounds amazing. [01:17:30] Amazing. I wish that stuff was around when I was growing up in. Yeah, Um, so I don't really know what's happening next because Gavin Gavin help! Someone knows gay lines. Next. Yeah, a little little word of my who's speaking for gay line. Is it you? You, John, should come to the microphone. Oh, the magic of live television people. It's amazing. Give it up for John Who? Well, [01:18:00] it's a bit of an act to follow. My subject is probably relatively boring. Completely that. But anyway, um, I represent gay line. We're just a website. Uh, those those Sometimes, uh, we act as a conduit for funds from the rule foundation. Our our website's got about 500 listings on it now, um, and they are listings of gay [01:18:30] and gay friendly organisations nationwide. And each, um, listing is a way for, uh, people to contact, uh, those lists either through web links or email. We also have a number of gay themed, um, articles, which, um, of particular interest, obviously to gay people. And most of those have the ability for people to put their own comments [01:19:00] and discussion at the end of the article and there's quite a lot of really interesting discussions starting there. We see the website as an educational resource and it's also basically an overview of what's happening in New Zealand's gay world. All of the content is youth friendly, that is, it's suitable for young people to use and for schools to use. One of the new things that we're starting [01:19:30] to do on that website is to run AdWords Google ad words uh, campaigns for lists and they result in quite considerable increases of in traffic to their websites. OK, it's also a shared website platform in that numbers of different organisations can use the same infrastructure with their own independent websites connecting to the same database [01:20:00] of information, so any information they create for their website can be shared with the other websites or not. As you wish. It provides for people to create Web pages without any, uh, web skills because as long as you can operate a word processor, you can do it. It provides for various levels of publishing, um authority, like people can create, [01:20:30] edit, publish or administrate depending on their role within the website and that that prevents stuff created by people who might want to cause trouble from actually getting into the public arena. Yeah, we also provide for, um, listeners to take control of their own Web pages and edit those as they wish to. [01:21:00] On top of all that, it's a website that has an infrastructure that allows people to develop their own independent websites. That and they can share information between those websites. It does mean that people who create Web pages create them once for sharing between numbers of websites. So you're not getting a lot of different people trying to create the same information and keep it up to date. [01:21:30] Anybody who's tried to do that over a period of time will know how difficult it is to keep Web pages up to date. This hopefully makes it a lot easier, but the in the infrastructure is more than that. It's a way of maintaining a website so that, um, what you see is what you get. So whatever, you [01:22:00] don't actually have to have any website skills to create and publish information. Bye. At the moment, it's It's very, um, restricted. We're sharing information with outline in Auckland, outline um are using that information on our website that's independent but used for their telephone counselling services. But they are also, um, keeping [01:22:30] Web listings up to date, and those updates are reflected on the gay website as well. Now, one of the most interesting things that we've started doing recently is Google ad words campaigns. We've got a budget from Google of about 20,000 USA month, and at the moment we're only spending 5000. Um so we can run [01:23:00] special campaigns using that process for anybody who's listed on our website so that anybody searching on Google can be presented with a an ad which links to their listing on our website. And so that increases the traffic to not only our website but to individual pages, uh, and then on to people's own websites. If they if people click through, [01:23:30] we're we're running, uh, several campaigns at the moment. Um, dance NZ is one organisation that's doing that. They we actually run two campaigns for them, one's an international one and one's a New Zealand one. The New Zealand one presents their information just to New Zealand users. The International one presents their information to Australian users. Google Edwards is actually sending [01:24:00] about 4000 visitors a month to our site and our ads. Google ads are being shown about half a million times a month. We are getting about 100 and 50 to 200 visitors a day, viewing nearly 7000 pages a month on the website, so the numbers are starting to go up and it's becoming a substantial resource. If some of you have listings [01:24:30] on our website, you'd be very, very welcome to talk to us about increasing your involvement, having doing your own editing and maybe going even further. So get in touch with us and and let us know what your needs might be based on what you've just heard. One of the things that we are struggling with at the moment is volunteer resources. We're very severely limited in what we do by the number of people [01:25:00] who are involved. If anybody has got an interest in in website technology and would like to join us, please get in touch. But one thing that our website is doing is potentially reducing the amount of effort that people have to do to create and maintain their own websites. if anybody interested in any of those sorts of things, please get in touch now, Ultimately, um, we plan to hand this infrastructure over [01:25:30] to those who are using it to run it themselves. It's not something that gay want to keep long term. It's something that I would love to hand over to an organisation of users. So, um, ultimately, hopefully a new organisation will be set up to do that. Thank you for listening. If there are any questions, uh, I'll be around for a little while. Thank you. [01:26:00] Great. Thank you. Um, that was John from, um, gay line. I remember, uh, and I grew up in, which is a small town in the Waikato. And before I became a bearded space lady who lives on a space station, I was, in fact, a pa gay homosexual. I know it's hard to believe. Um, and I was maybe 12 when I kind of realised that, you know, probably men were turning me on and that that I might be gay, and that might be a huge problem, because [01:26:30] this was, like 1989 and there were no role models in the media. The only people you ever heard about that were gay was someone's kind of uncle that they didn't really talk about. And you were pretty sure that you were going to get your head smashed. And if anyone found out, um, when I was 16, I remember seeing an advert in the Waikato Times, um, for gay line, which was free and confidential advice for gay men. And it was just gay men then because it was, I don't know, it was a different world, and, um, they ran from [01:27:00] 8 30 to 10 30 on Wednesday nights. And I remember calling that phone number for the first time and kind of making that first connection with the Queer World. I guess I'm sharing this because I was sitting there and thinking about the enormous changes that have happened in my lifetime. In terms of queer visibility, I never, ever, ever, ever in a million years would have imagined that I'd be standing here dressed in drag in the National Library of New Zealand and casually wandering around Wellington without actually worrying about my physical safety. So, um, [01:27:30] you know, we've come a long way, and I was at a book launch last night um, where someone made the very salient point that just because we have come a long way doesn't mean we shouldn't still tell our stories. So I I'm really glad to be, um, kind of part of today. Oh, my God. Look at how serious. I am serious. I'm like, leaning over. So So, um, coming up next, we've got some representatives from, um te Papa, the Museum of New Zealand. Um, we've got Lynette Townsend and Step [01:28:00] Gibson. Who are the history curators, Um, at te papa. So if you'd like to come and come up to the podium, please, that would be great to give a warm, warm welcome, please. OK, Yeah, I'm Lynette, and this is Steve. And, um, yes, we're history curators at the Papa. Um, and part of our role as history curators is to build the collections, Um, and to try [01:28:30] and make sure that we've got objects that, um, represent a whole diverse range of stories that, um, for all New Zealanders. Um, and one of the things that we've been wanting to do over Well, it's sort of been over 15 years now that we've been wanting to build the collection to have, um, you know, queer histories, representations of a whole range of gay lesbian, um, transgender stories that are objects that can represent those stories in the collection. So today, what we'd [01:29:00] really like to do is show you a bit of a range of the objects that we've got in the collection and some of the and share with you some of the stories and some of the, um the stories behind those. So, um, Carmen doesn't really need any introduction, but, um, we've got, um, a wonderful range of objects relating to Carmen. Some that, um she, um we acquired directly from her, and more recently, she's made a selection of a whole lot of garments. Um, that [01:29:30] ended up coming into our collection. And incidentally, next week, um, we are opening a, um, we've got a small display of some of those objects. Go, um, that are gonna be up. So, um, it's really great that we'll be able to get them out there. Um, this is one of the headdresses that will be going on display. Um, obvious a lot of the, um, objects that come into our collection of those kind of big, vibrant kind of performance type things. So they are the sort of things that people think that we might be interested in seeing. [01:30:00] And quite often that's the sort of thing that, um, gets put on display in museums. And it's fair to say that that is, um, quite a large proportion of our collection. Um, this headdresses, um, headdress belonged to Frank L. He was less a lesser known kind of, um, drag performer than Carmen. But, um, he he made all his own outfits, and this was one of the dresses, so they're really, um, quite fun, Quite vibrant. But, um, a really [01:30:30] significant part of our collection. Um um, more recently, we acquired some, um, performance. Where from Paul Jen who? Um, choreographed, um, performed in and, um, made costumes for fairy stories. And they were really wonderful. Kind of, um, there was a series of shows where Paul cleverly took, um, Children's fairy stories and gave them a bit [01:31:00] of a queer twist. Um, and so we acquired some ephemera and costumes that he had made. Yeah, the top twins. These dolls, um, they've been in our collection for a while, actually. And they, um, are two of the top twins kind of characters that they developed Camp leader and camp Mother. Um and, um, but what's what's really important about some of these objects is not just what they are but the stories that they carry [01:31:30] with them. And, of course, the top twins. It was really important for them to be visible and proud of their sexual identity. And, um, finally, sort of in this suite of objects, Um, this is AAA that belonged to Chris. Um, we've collected a range of her personal items, but also, um, one of the things that we're doing here today is showing a range of the Evergreen Cafe, um, collaged panels that Chrissy made. [01:32:00] And, um, we've got about 34 of those in our collection, and they're a wonderful sort of snapshot of, um, time they start actually from the 19 sixties and go right through to, um, the two thousands. And they, uh, yeah, a wonderful, um, sort of Chrissy's kind of take on the community. And there's lots of people, lots of personalities, lots of stories behind those panels. And, um, we would love to kind of gather up, um, those stories [01:32:30] and identify people. I'm Stephanie. So the objects we've been showing you are from our history collections, but thank you. Other departments of Papa collect queer history and identity also. So the work you're seeing here is from the art collection. And that's a work by um, and where she's exploring her identity. And we've collected quite a lot from this [01:33:00] artist. Can you please? In our Pacific collections, we've collected some of, uh uh, New Zealand's designers and their fashion works. This is by James, and it was, uh, a part of the Pacifica style, um, competition in 2006, and he's basically taken very sort of common garden lover lover material and turned it into quite an extravagant ballgown. Now, Linda, also represented [01:33:30] in the collection and another designer, and we actually commissioned her to create this piece for the Papa in honour of the, uh, big wedding show we had two years ago called Unveiled from the Victorian Albert Museum. And Linda created this tapa wedding dress for us, and that really speaks to her identity. And at the other end of the scale, we also collect everyday clothing, particularly t-shirts, which are great identity carriers. Um, they're fantastic billboards for political [01:34:00] messaging and also for Coop of Popular Culture. And these came from the wardrobe of a gay man in the 19 nineties who lived in Australia for a while. So it's an Australian t-shirt again that that that that nice sort of coop of popular culture icons in a local very, uh, a local variation of a slogan that was slightly notorious and has been embedded into Wellington life. And we also collect performance, [01:34:30] uh, dance culture. So the Devotion Festival Very successful Dance festival in the nineties in Wellington, we have some lovely handmade pieces and some of the clothing worn to the 1997 devotion. And you can see, of course, you're seeing who wore them and the gift line there. Neil Anderson. Um, we've got a tiny bit of hero material, but not much. Um, we've got a very small holdings around the homosexual law reform campaign in the eighties. We would love to have more material that's very ephemeral, [01:35:00] and batches are some of our smallest objects we collect. But we have quite a significant batch collection, and they tell a really rich story. 01 of our large, probably our largest collection are the New Zealand AIDS Memorial Quilt. We have the 16 blocks that were made, and they are a very treasured for us. They came in 2011, and we're very, very, very proud to be caring for them. Um, we [01:35:30] also have a growing collection of, uh, safe sex material culture and objects around sexual health. That this toolbox from the nineties from the New Zealand AIDS Foundation came via Dame Margaret Sparrow. And she's a wonderful, um, sexual health advocate. And we've got a display of hers on at the moment at Papa on level four, and it features quite a bit of safe sex material. So another angle on our collecting has been [01:36:00] sort of around, um, sports events. Thank you. Um, and, um, we we are hoping to collect sort of an all black outfit, you know, from a gay all black. But we haven't quite got there yet. Um, but what we do have is, um, a range of material relating to the, um, Asia Pacific Out games. And this was a medal that was awarded, um, that was given to everybody for the, um, for participating in the games. Um, [01:36:30] and you know so as well as things like metal. Sometimes you have, like, was saying very ephemera ephemeral. Or this was a plastic drink bottle that was a giveaway. So the games were all about, um, bringing together people from all over the world as, um sports as well as, um, dance and, um, performance. And but it's really about participation. Um, and solidarity, Um, and it was at the Asia [01:37:00] Pacific Out games that we sort of did a bit of a show, and until then and we asked people, What what else do we need in the collection? What else should we be getting? And some people came forward and said, What about the Amazon softball team? So from that point, we went out and we ended up collecting, um, some of the, um the uniforms and a range of other material relating to the Amazons, which were a lesbian softball team. So we we we actively collect and we [01:37:30] are totally open to people's ideas and donations. So it's a mixture of both. So in terms of active collecting with the marriage equality campaign, uh, I actually went to the to to, uh, Louisa Wall. The MP to see what she might have. And of course, a lot of that. The pain was online, so there wasn't that much material culture, but she had a few pieces that we collected. This is just a tiny little tattoo transfer, so it's about as small as you can get. It's nothing like that big. And then, of course, to Papa hosted one of the first weddings [01:38:00] after the Marriage Equality Act went through on the 19th of August 2013. Is that right? And one of the first weddings that day, Uh, we collected the programmes from it, so yeah, so it's just trying to find ways to materialise those stories, those important events. And I'm literally out in the streets, peeling things off walls. This is one of my souvenirs, but I I'm always on the lookout for a material culture that's really strong, visually strong, with really important messaging, and I think posts like this are perfect. [01:38:30] So if anybody has any ideas, any directions we should be taking, we really want to talk to you because, as you can see from some of the credit lines, we really rely on people in the community to help us collect. Yeah, well, I have been Yeah, I have been Yeah. Thank you. Great. Um, [01:39:00] that was, uh, thank you very much to Lynette Townsend and Stephanie Gibson from TE Papa. Um, they are history curators. Thank you very much. Now, I've I've often thought that Oh, God damn talk our problems. There we go. That's better. Um, I should just come down and check myself in as a national treasure, so I'll see you later, but don't stick me down in the vault. I don't want to end up pinned on a board like a butterfly. You know, just get me fed and watered and nothing bad will happen. Um, yeah. So coming [01:39:30] up next. Hi. It's money. Mitchell. Who's money? Thanks. She's yelling it out. I've got I've got my Rachel Ray cards now, so we're back on, uh, morning television. Hi, Kay. Hey, girl. How are you doing? It's kind of funny, because it's such a small town, like I know most. Everybody here. Maybe, um, money is here to talk, uh, for the intersex Trust of New Zealand. So, um, please, uh, give a warm welcome. [01:40:00] Um, just sitting here with a head full of memories and triggers, and I want to thank for organising today. Um, we don't do this enough, and you look around here and this is an extraordinary community and I feel very proud to be part of it. [01:40:30] So I'm here representing the intersex Trust. Next year is our two decade anniversary. So when I first started putting my own Jigsaw together, I was 40 years old and I had found some documents after my mother had died because it's it's hard to believe now, but in that period of time, I didn't [01:41:00] even have a word to describe myself. So I went to see a doctor rodenberg wonderful rodenberg and stole from the medical library for me to use. We returned it a medical textbook, and it was called intersex, and that's where I first found the word that became my identity myself. But reading a medical pathologize textbook is a strange [01:41:30] way of finding out who you are. So I was extraordinarily lucky to be in communication with an organisation that started in America, the Intersex Asia Society of North America, and I went in 1996 to the world's first ever gathering of intersex people. So there were nine Americans and myself representing the world. I [01:42:00] was the only non-american, and I came back to New Zealand determined to set up an organisation. And we did, Um, I want to acknowledge and honour Graham Brand Wells, who's sitting in the audience today. Um, Graham was my one of my first trust board members, and he's here today, so we've been going for 20 years now. My ancestry on my dad's [01:42:30] side is Scottish, and I'm a crazy collector. I don't throw things away, but I don't like it. I put it in boxes. And three years ago, Graham turned that absolute chaos of the last 18 years, and we now have a catalogued, organised collection. Some of the material is around our table and just hearing the last session, we absolutely have some treasures that probably should [01:43:00] be into. So just taking a step backwards, what is into sex and why should we be even in the group or these presentations today? So intersex people are people who are born with non-standard physical bodies that are someone has decided and not fully male or fully female prior to the 19 fifties. It's very interesting people who [01:43:30] were born. What was in those days called hermaphrodite and the Victorian era were routinely assigned male because the thinking was that if somebody may possibly be male, it was considered inappropriate to deny them the rights and privileges of Maleness. Interesting. And then, in the 19 fifties, we had our own John money who, um, whose [01:44:00] thinking and theories went on to radically reform, inform the medical model that is unchanged. And that medical model believed that everybody needed a gender assigned to them, that it needed to be male or female. There was no sense that it might be anything else, and he managed to convince medicine that you needed a physically congruent body. Now I believe that thinking came [01:44:30] out of his work with the transgender community, but it became so ingrained into the medical narrative that you have to have this normalised body, and so that's when we start performing genital normalising surgery. I think we've worked and we've got the I and the alphabet soup. I don't know that many people really understand the issues behind the eye. We have it. [01:45:00] The sadness to me is with all the success that we have had in the last two decades. We have yet to change the medical model, so it's very likely that this week or within the last month a baby somewhere in New Zealand has had genital surgery to normalise them. So there's a bit more work to do. Um, I'm not going to go through our history here today. It would take too long. We will be doing presentations [01:45:30] next year and they're celebrating our two decades and and we will run you through our amazing history. A couple of things I do want to talk about. In the very early days, I had a conversation with Rose because I was trying to find out what perhaps the Maori way of looking at intersex might have been. And Rose said to me, [01:46:00] Yeah, intersex reality was very well known in traditional Maori culture and the birth of an intersex child. And it wasn't intersex, of course, was considered a Tonga that the child had been sent to teach us something, not what it was. This child was a gift that had been sent to the community to teach us something, and I and I've often thought if only we could bring that way of looking at difference, [01:46:30] that way of being with difference for all parents around. All this issues celebrate you have this extraordinary child who's different. This is something wonderful that the other thing that is being very powerful and moving for me has been watching a narrative around Non-binary start to emerge. When I first came out, there was nothing and I I remember my [01:47:00] very crude early trying to talk to friends. And I used to say, You know, if you have a cup of tea and you had black tea like the black teas there, I was trying to describe that as being my female side of myself and you poured milk in. You sort of have milk and you have both and it's mixed up and, you know, it was very crude and and it was a a rough way of trying to talk about something. Now that is just wonderfully language and layered and complex. [01:47:30] So I I honour the young people who have done that and bringing these narratives forward. So I think that's probably enough from me today, I, I really want to say to Wellington, thank you because you have held me. There's lots of people in this room that have done that. This is at times been quite lonely work. There are other intersex people in the room today. I'm not going to name them, but I'm going to honour you [01:48:00] and and thank you. We've come a long way, but there's a lot more work to do. So to my friends, to this community, Thank you so much. We're just a little bit of a change in our order of proceedings here. We, um don't run away, Alan. We need you. Just stay where I can see you. Um, [01:48:30] but, um, Kevin has, uh, some things to say. Um, I just want to, uh, say and to honour all those really people who are who are quite world famous from our community here in Wellington. Um, uh, but the thing I want to talk to you about now is I'm just going to introduce two gentlemen to you, two of them that are probably not strangers to many people. [01:49:00] And that's, uh, de Smith and John Jo. If you'd like to come up, uh, Des and John, Um, and the reason why I wanted to to have a chat with them was because they are about to donate a collection to to. And I thought, What a great opportunity to to have a chat about that and to let people know what they've [01:49:30] what they've considered and why they're why they're doing that So somehow, Or rather, we're gonna I've asked those questions. I've given them two minutes to think about a response, and we'll see how we go from there. Uh oh, yeah, yeah. Uh, cleaning our house. Believe it or not, we do clean occasionally came across some, uh, an album of photos from the 10th Gay Lesbian Fair. And amazing. I didn't realise that we had such an event. Then we had what we called [01:50:00] the newspaper men. People dressed as if they were had newspapers. Yeah, costumes on stilt walkers, Uh, the Duchess and Duke and Duchess of Wellington. Anyway, these photos are great. And the idea give them to lay because we're not young, Unfortunately, And, uh, something happened to us. Where did the photos go in the bin. And I think [01:50:30] it's better that we give them to the archives. And so I might just try and clean a little bit more around the house to see what else we've got. Yeah, John, I'll let you. You can have a say now, as Des says, we have been involved in gay politics for quite a number of years. I was actually a member of the board at one stage, [01:51:00] and I have, I think, a slight appreciation of just how important our history is. One of the things that has worried me in the past is that often our history is hidden and it doesn't need to be. We need to be out there, we need to be out front and visible. And we have over the years amassed, uh, papers. Documents of one sort or another quite a bit is already in the archives. Um, [01:51:30] but we need, as Des says, to do a little bit more, clearing out, tidying up my understanding. And I don't know, Kevin. Whether this is still true is that the Lesbian Gay Archives of New Zealand is the largest archives of its sort in the Southern Hemisphere. If not the world. Does that sound right? Well, let let's say it's right. I I'm sure I'm sure it's right, but it's It's an astonishing collection, and you know there are, You know, I. I [01:52:00] saw the badges in the other room. They see the ephemera are important. The the things that we take for granted, the little pride badges, the rainbow badges, the caps. These are all part and part of our history because somebody went to a lot of trouble to design the firm. I wouldn't this make a lovely flag? You know who who wants to? Yeah. And, uh, you know, grandchildren making rainbow scarves for Yeah, But importantly, we do need [01:52:30] to have a resource that remembers and preserves our history. And this is where I think comes up trumps. And I would like to urge everybody to sort of scour their memories and see what they might have in the house from past events that they've been involved in because we may think, Oh, Gans will have that. But it's not necessarily true. And if they have, it might be a piece of paper that that's a bit tatty, and you might have a better copy of something. [01:53:00] So please support Ray games. I think it's a very important institution. Thank you, Kelly. I don't know if you want the paper I found Phil Parkinson put out when they said, Oh, homosexuality wasn't in the animal world. Anyway, Phil did a very good article on gay pets, and, uh, you just might want that article as well. But I'm sure this is in the archives, and, uh, we still have copies of it. And every time we get a Salvation Army envelope in our letterbox for a donation, [01:53:30] we post them a copy of gay pets. Thank you, dear Smith and John. OK. Hey, thanks, boys. That's great. Um, yeah. So one of the things I've always wanted to be, uh, is a announcer on national radio. Basically. So I'm gonna do my national radio voice. Um, you're [01:54:00] at with the open mic session at National Library. Coming up next. Allen, who will be speaking for lesbian Wellington website Digital archive. I'm Nasha Web Redfern up next in mid service Web forecast till midnight tonight. Thank you, Honey. You're all right. Good again. Uh, I have down the back a an overview on my laptop of 20 years of Wellington lesbian [01:54:30] Web page website which provides a history of what's been going and diary of what's been going on in the local lesbian community over that period, all sorts of things you'd hoped you'd forgotten, right? And it is also a history of the evolution of capabilities of Web pages of websites. How did it begin? Uh, well, in the beginning, when the World Wide Web was still practically a toddler in 1995 I discovered American [01:55:00] Queer Resources Directory website, which had a link to Queer Resources, a TR directory, which had hardly any content. So I fired off an email to mark profit and Auckland, who created the website and said, Would you like a Wellington lesbian page? And he promptly fired me back a page template and an address for uploading the page and the rest, they say History. The first page went live in November 1995 and that's a an image of how it would have looked [01:55:30] in Mozilla, which was the hot Web browser at that time. Except you would only have seen a little bit of it because it was on a 6 40 by 4 60 monitor with humongous pixels, and by 1996 I was in my compulsive, obsessive manner digit, uh, archiving all of the updated Web pages and now I have an amazing archive with thousands of Web pages, and over the years, what you can do in a Web page has evolved. The rendering [01:56:00] engines and browsers have improved. The coding standards have changed out of sight so that far more things can be done. And by August 2002, instead of just a page, I had lots of pages because by then we had the Web, Web domain, lesbian dot net dot NZ, and it was a subdomain wellington dot lesbian dot net dot NZ. There was a home page. There was a what on for lesbians. There was a Web links page. Eventually I got [01:56:30] pages for dudes and lesbian line, and then they both died a year or two later. And there were pages for occasional events and campaigns. There was anyone remember the lesbian land proposal every time there was a ball that would be paid for that, and on it went. But I got a bit muddled as I started adding more notices for events in the General Queer Community and the home page in the event there's been events. Page got a bit [01:57:00] muddled. So then I created, um, a Rainbow Page a page for Rainbow Activities which I still have. And I tend to segregate the Lesbian Events Page and the Rainbow Page nowadays. And I also added a page for the Lesbian Radio Programme which has links to the audio files of the last five weeks, uh, programmes. And then the latest change improvement has been [01:57:30] last month. 50% of the New Zealand based people who accessed the access the website were using phones. So we have to make our websites mobile friendly, mobile friendly, which is an angst process. And if you're running a queer website, you've got to do it. And I'm willing to provide help of page templates if you want it. And this is the current version of the Rainbow Page, which advertises the hot event of [01:58:00] the week. And the home page nowadays has a table at the top, which lists the events and the Rainbow page and events and the lesbian page, and highlighting which ones are on in the coming week. I'll update that tomorrow. So we get on to this joys and perils of digital archiving. Why did I save all these pages? Well, because I'm a compulsive [01:58:30] obsessive individual. Someone's got to do it. And there's now hundreds of megabytes, thousands of pages of updates all the time. This This week, I've updated the home page twice. The lesbian events page twice the Rainbow page four times, the radio page once and the links page once, uh, other people have a life archiving. It's got more complex. But anyway, one thing I do is back up. Back up, back up, back up. [01:59:00] I back up on USB sticks. I invest in new sticks every couple of years because magnetic media die. I keep two copies at home and one copy off site, and Fiona and I swap once a month. Why do that? Because some little rat snipe will come in. Carry the number of people in this country who writers who have lost their laptop and their backup USB, which was plugged into it and lost several years work. [01:59:30] You keep the USB stick back up in the back of your sock drawer, some similar place, not the Grundy draw, because some sorts of murders might be interested in that. But you have to back up, back up, back up and with your backup files, whether it's Web pages or photos or whatever. You never modify those. If you want to something for putting on Facebook, you make a copy into your sandpit folder and you play with it there and then use it. [02:00:00] OK, Anyone wants to talk about digital archiving? I'd love to talk to you, and we can get together and nut out how we ought to be doing these things. Thank you very much. Thank you, Alan. Um, yeah. So I kind of started life this kind of drag incarnation in 2002 because I had a corporate job. This relates to digital archiving little, you know, um, story a little vignette [02:00:30] from my past because I've got the microphone. Hm? Yes. Um, I was in this corporate job. I was bought out of my brains. It was right after the dot com collapse, and it wasn't really that much work to do. And so I made, uh, quis increasing your leisure time on a Geo Cities account, which was a kind of terrible free web hosting service that forced you to have advertising for kind of horoscopes and finding brides from countries that ended in a [02:01:00] um yeah, and so That's kind of how how it all started, actually, last night I launched, uh, the latest revision of lasha dot com. So I encourage everyone to go and have a look. Those, um, Google analytics, basically, is what I based myself worth on. Right? I know. I go on there. I'm like, Oh, my God. How many people visited? I'm gonna have to take some more antidepressants. Um, I'm only slightly joking, [02:01:30] and that's a sad thing. OK, so, um, coming up next is, uh Do we have a a Velda vein? Velda, I'm probably butchering the pronunciation of your name. Sorry. Velda Velda speaking for the Armstrong and Arthur Charitable Trust for Lesbians. Um, we're just having a little moment with the technology there. Just throw it out the window. Honestly, a four load PC paper buffering all of those hateful, [02:02:00] hateful things you see on the computer screen. The Spiner, when you really want to watch you on demand and you're sure that telecom has oversold your broadband service? But what can you do? Nothing. Really nothing. Just go to the freezer and eat some more ice cream. Even though the doctor said you had high cholesterol and you never learned good coping mechanisms when you were young because you had a dysfunctional family and you were abusing Chemical. What? Are we ready? Hey, warm, warm. Welcome for [02:02:30] right. Um, this is near the end of the day. So, uh, I want to do things a little bit differently. I don't want to talk about the Armstrong and Arthur Charitable trust for lesbians. It's actually too long a word. And I'm going to talk about and be, um, instead. Just a little brief history. How two ordinary women, seemingly or ordinary women, became gay [02:03:00] and lesbian icons. Margaret Elizabeth McCready. Armstrong was born in 19 09, and Beatrice Arthur was born in 1915. So immediately, we're talking about early last century and they met in 1943 during World War Two and began a long relationship of 57 years. [02:03:30] Bet was a legal secretary and be was a nurse. And when they met, BET was actually living with her mother and, uh, eventually move be moved into the household. And I just want to say that, uh, at the time, it was actually very difficult for unmarried, unrelated women to live together because there were two things. It wasn't socially sanctioned. [02:04:00] I mean, women were meant to marry men. And, um, economically, it was very hard because women didn't earn the income of males. And, um, even if they had capital and wanted to buy a house, they needed a male guarantor. And this, uh, situation continued, I think, until the early sixties, but anyway and began a relationship. And [02:04:30] we found out later that they actually were quite well known in the gay community. They were members of the Wellington Victoria Club. Um, some of you will have been there, and, um, and they made good friends with other members. Uh, men and women. They are also known for their hospitality. Um, at the kalla home, [02:05:00] uh, they entertained a lot of people. And the trust, the A N a trust actually has a recipe box. Um, that probably be annotated more about what was served to whom and when. And, um, this is going to be a project for the A N. A trust to, uh, produce some of these recipes. Um, someone suggested [02:05:30] today maybe bring a cake along to the next event. Um, they were very keen on gardening and um, and trees. And, uh, they established, um, a lovely garden in Kalla and the cover of our pamphlet. And I haven't got, um, a copy di digitised. But, um, show in 1950 B and B clearing their section. And when they [02:06:00] moved, uh, when they bought a house in, uh, a beach house in, they also had a lovely garden there, too. And the image there is from, uh, the 2009, uh, exhibition and sale of be and be, um, paintings and prints and particularly bet was quite an accomplished painter. Uh, be less so, but some of the, uh, some of the images, um, [02:06:30] reveal a little bit about their lives. They like to travel around New Zealand, and sometimes they paint scenes that they were fond of, uh, or flowers. Um, we've got the presentation running on one of the laptops there. And the other thing they liked, um, were animals, particularly pets. And, um, also supporters of animal rights. Uh, [02:07:00] they supported Wellington Zoo. And there's quite a quirky, uh, sketch of an elephant that I'm actually quite fond of. Um, but, uh, as I say, they they had a lot of hobbies. Bet was also an accomplished pianist, and, um, they were fond of ballroom dancing, too. And so this seemingly closet couple, um, moved into the seventies through into the eighties, [02:07:30] um, and the time of the last and successful homosexual law reform and lobbied behind the scenes because they never until the end actually became declare themselves publicly. But they lobbied behind the scenes and, um even, uh, rang up the, uh, Roman Catholic Church hierarchy to criticise uh, the church's stance. [02:08:00] So when reform was passed, like many men and women, they finally found the freedom and the power to come out publicly and declare their relationship. And this was quite amazing, because by now, uh, be at least was in her seventies. And, uh, I think be was either late sixties or early seventies. [02:08:30] And the other thing they did was embrace younger members, uh, or and more activist members of the Wellington lesbian communities. And actually, I didn't know bit. Armstrong, Um, some of the other trustees knew and be much better than I did, But, um, I knew the Arthur a little better, and I remember seeing them [02:09:00] when they first came to one of the lesbian dancers. And I thought because I was in my thirties, I thought, Who are these old women, but actually standing up here now? I think, Well, I'm getting up there, too. Well, Bet died in 2000, the year 2000 at 91 and B in 2002 at 89. [02:09:30] And so they both lived a good age. Uh, B, with the help of, um, Alison Laurie and Jan Gryphon set up the, um, strong Arthur Charitable Trust for lesbians to acknowledge this 57 year old relationship, but also to acknowledge the Wellington lesbian communities who'd, uh, befriended them. And this year, 1919. 15, um, 2015, [02:10:00] uh, is a special year for the A N a trust because, uh, it's the Arthur's Centenary. And to commemorate this, we are going to have a special, uh, lesbian radio programme on the 13th of December. Um, hopefully to play in part of an interview with be and some of the music that they liked and just to give tribute. [02:10:30] Thank you. Well, thanks, Alan. Things you didn't know about. Um was it kandala? Did you say kandala? One of the K neighbourhoods. You know, KKKKK. What? No, I love those white women. I see them down at the supermarket. I love them. I love my girls. And my house is the pesto. Darling, is that good? Um [02:11:00] OK, so I think I'm a stand up comedian, and no one's laughing coming up. Uh, next we've got, um uh, Kevin, actually, Kevin and Karen, Kevin and Karen. Um, you're both on the same name card. I don't know what's going on. Kevin speaking for and lovely Karen is speaking for so, um, to the podium. Oh, yeah. [02:11:30] Uh, so and I are just gonna have a little discussion about, um and but I will speak. First of all about was a group. If you were here at the start of the, um, today's event, uh, helped to open the event. So it's a a community group of, uh, Wellington. Hey, uh, [02:12:00] get together on a regular basis and every Monday night, uh, at the New Zealand prostitutes' collective And the purpose we get together so that we can get together. Really? That's all it's about? It's pretty simple. We have a big feed, which is always a good reason to get together and we sing some songs. But it's, uh it's not just exclusively about about music, Uh, and about eating. We also have interests, uh, politically, in terms of how we're involved in the community, [02:12:30] uh, here in in Wellington and to make our presence known because was formed in 2001, uh, in response to Team Wellington who got together and were preparing to get together to go to the Gay Games in Sydney in 2002. So, um, formed, uh, as a Maori collective within that group, uh, again, just to show, [02:13:00] uh, the diversity within the Wellington community of the way that we express ourselves et cetera, et cetera. So that's pretty much what is about. Um, it's an expression of, uh of or, I guess, to understand the word. It's a It's a term that some Maori use in preference to saying gay or lesbian because it identifies their sexuality and culture. [02:13:30] Let's see, that's a difference. So is at that intersection of, uh, culture community et cetera. Hm. Very good. That was 101. I'll have a test after this and see how we go. Um, but Karen was a bit shy. So she said, I said to Karen, Why don't I just ask you what is about and you can respond. There we go. So and I start started in 2010, [02:14:00] and it's for our Maori trans community here in Wellington. Um, we do lots of networking and education. Um, every month I go to the police college in and I speak to all the new recruits, each one. So the next one is happening. Set. Sorry. Monday, Um, we also have run a magazine called So it's a bi monthly easing. Um, and you can get it online. Um, if you see [02:14:30] down there and write your name down if you want to go on the mailing list. And I think one of the important things about so what? What's in? Um, so it's about keeping our memories life, Um, especially of our sisters and brothers that have passed over. Um, and the feature cover magazine is always somebody from the community. So it's about our own telling our own stories, and I think that's 101. And I think [02:15:00] we'll go from there, and actually, I'm going to take over the mic now from, uh, MC? Because I'd like to We're about to wind down this event for today. And I'd like to ask all those people who have been involved, uh, with this event that includes the trustees, that includes our M CS That includes our people [02:15:30] who are being volunteered, uh, who have, uh, captured information that includes people who are managing our sound. Um, those people, if you wouldn't mind coming within the next, uh, couple of minutes and then we'll, uh, look at, um, saying thank you for coming, et cetera, et cetera. Shortly. No, have a quick break, and, uh, we'll get back shortly.
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