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Hello. How are you today? Good. That is good. Um, So what's your name? Thomas Thomas. And where are you from? Waikato. Waikato? Where abouts? Is that near the caves? Yes. Yeah. It's a very small community there, isn't it? Very small, but very community based. So, like, everybody knows everybody. Yes, definitely. Yeah. So, um, do you have lots of business down there and not in the winter, but a lot in the summer [00:00:30] with the caves and stuff? Yes. You get a lot of rain. So what do you do as a job? I work in a kitchen, being a dishy hand, a kitchen hand. As you say. I do all the prep work. Do all the breads, do all the desserts. I clean the kitchen as well. Yeah. So the kitchen bitch? Yeah. Oh, bend over. Um, so can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Um, [00:01:00] I'm not sure. I'm not very good at this. I haven't anything about yourself. Yeah, I like about music. Do you like music? I like listening to music. And I can write music a lot better than I can read or play music. Yeah. Do you like to listen artists, art anything? Industrial or heavy metal. So you you're a goth? No, [00:01:30] this is a heavy metal. Yeah, I like. I like my beat to be quite consistently heavy. So, um, how about like, movies? You socialise a lot. I don't socialise much at all. I've never really had friends. Um Hm. Movies. That's a hard one. It would be men behind the sun, which is a really real type of violence movie, and it's quite disturbing. What is it about? [00:02:00] Um, it's kind of the Japanese version of a prisoner of war camp. And it's about some of the stuff that goes on in there and some of the tests. And it's a horror movie. Yeah. So, um, how old are you? Um, 17. 17? Almost 18. Yes. Got short. Short. Um, So what gender identity are you? Male? Male. And how do you express yourself? That's good. Um, And what is your sexuality? Bye bye. [00:02:30] And when did you realise that you had attractions to the same sex? I don't know. I just kind of felt it. I don't really have any particular thing that just I was. How old were you? Oh, it would have been two years ago, so that would have been 16. 16. Did you feel like Hey, this is new? No, not really. I just went with the flow. I've always been a person that's gone with the flow. I've always said to myself, Keep moving, keep going no matter which direction you step. So I was [00:03:00] just like, OK, so So you've always been like, Yeah, it's I I'll find out someday, find out, as I confirmed it last month that I was definitely by. How about, um, attractions to girls? I'll definitely pick a girl over a man, but I'd still go and have fun with both. Do you Have you had relationships with any of the sexes? No, I've always been a loner. Never had a relationship with either. [00:03:30] So, um, So you're in the closet? Uh, no, not really. I'm just I'm lacked social skills for the amount of bulling I've had over the years. So I've never made an effort and too scared to make an effort to really socialise. I've never really been in the closet. Just lack social skills from my previous history at school, and I just can't be bothered just telling your parents or anything like that or no, not really. I can't really be bothered. It's just no point [00:04:00] until I actually get into. If I got into a serious relationship, I definitely would. Yeah, so you don't feel like it's just he had to keep it a secret you just don't want. There's just no point at the moment. There's nothing like I'm doing anything. So if your parents came up to you and asked you, Are you by, would you tell them I'm reasonably honest with her parents? So I definitely would if they asked, they would. Yeah, and this is obviously people around that I didn't particularly want to hear. I'd probably tell them a bit later. Yeah, so if [00:04:30] you could tell them, how would you tell them? Um, I'll probably just say, Ah, I'm not sure. Actually, I would never I've never really considered it because I'm usually just straight up and ask them would just say I'm by If they were asked, it's going to get much complicated. I would say it outright to them and not like through text or Facebook. Comment. No, definitely not. I'm rather honest. My parents and my parents have always encouraged me to be honest with them. So if something needs to be honest, it's It's gonna be said honestly and upfront. How do you think they would [00:05:00] react? Wouldn't really care. They'd be just like, Oh, well, you know, it's his life. He chooses how to live it like, Oh, really? OK, squirrels. No, no, not really. There's no squirrels here, so kiwis, kiwis, Kiwis. Good kiwi. Yeah, something like that. You know, you don't see a lot of kiwis here? No, I have held one in my life for like, two minutes. It's Ivan Kiwis. You hold one [00:05:30] for yes, I we we we Bush back bashing for maybe an hour and a half to go and re a kiwi in the back of car workers. Some good friends of my dad. That's quite dock, uh, conscious and stuff and all sorts of stuff. Are they vicious birds or Yes, they're very feisty and they look smooth, but they're definitely not smooth. They're incredibly rough. So they really itchy. They were mind kicking your ass. No, they would. They're worse than possums. And possums [00:06:00] are pretty violent. I nearly lost my thumb to a possum and a kiwi would quite happily do more damage. I remember once I was chased down the road from possum. Yeah, I I've still got scars right around my thumb from it. Um, So what else do you do when it comes to that sort of thing? Do you usually go down like Bush Wing or something? Not very. Not very often. I like to get into more tramping. It's kind of a thing. I like escaping the world. It's just you, the bush and nothing else. [00:06:30] No noise. Nobody to bother you. Not in a hippie type way. No, literally. It is just to escape the world. You can feel nothing when you're out there by yourself and you meet the most random or strangers walking out in there. If you meet somebody out there, they're going to be friendly. There's never anybody horrible out in the bush. Well, 99% of the time, especially where most trampers like me that like to go. Where do you like to go anywhere with a hut? And that probably [00:07:00] takes at least three hours to get to. Have you actually been to National Park National Park as middle of the North? Yes, because my dad lived about, uh, 20 KS 25 ks at O PC. Uh, the I PC Village. Yeah. So have you done that little walk tramp kind of thing? Uh, no, not the one out there. I I've done. I've seen a few tracks out there. I've been my dad used to play, um, play [00:07:30] around there as a kid. A lot out at Bush when he was a teenager. Hm. Yeah. So, um, how did you How do you feel being in, Um, not you're open about it, But you're not telling anybody kind of thing. Uh, no. Unless I know that they buy, they don't make an effort to, you know, make sure that they know How do you feel when you hang around how the people there are gay by or just fun? You know, it doesn't really bother me. I have [00:08:00] nothing against anybody. Really. I've always lived my life. Nothing against people when you got enough. If you have enough bulling in your life, you learn to forgive Really? Well, because you know, so don't mean much when you when you deal with this much stuff in your life and people are forced to say sorry. You just give up having any meaning for Sorry and give up your aggression against anybody. You just learn to like people too easily. So, um, do you have any sort of support? No, [00:08:30] not really. My mum would be rather supporting, but that'd be about it. She's really supportive about things, but Oh, look, my mom took in a girl that was having a few issues with her Real well, her adopted mum. And, um so So she's a lesbian. So we buy one of the two. So she's a good person to talk to and a couple of really good friends back from school, because I only I only had good friends from school, so yeah, I, I I'm reasonably well [00:09:00] supported of anything. You know, it happened in my life. If you, um if you could tell anybody, who would you tell? Um, I've actually told quite a lot of people. Mainly, my good friends, apart from your friends, your family members. I've told my brother and I technically call her my sister, but she's not. And that'd be about it so far. It would be it. Why is your brother, sister, brother and my sister. She She's, um, kind of [00:09:30] transgender. No, she's, um She wasn't actually anything to do with our family. Mum just took her own because she was having issues at home. Fair enough. So, um, have you ever been in relationships? No. Never. Never. Never. Because I'm too much of a loner and lack too much social skills. Why is that? Why do you feel that? Um, I just don't have enough. I've just gave up and trying to get close to people because or make friends with people and just giving up. I can [00:10:00] be stuffed. So have, do you think that being in you being, well, you're not in the closet? But you just can't be bothered telling anybody, right? No, There's nothing to do with that. It literally is to do with the lack of social skills and the lack of kind of feeling I have for people. You know, when you deal with 11 years of bullying for like your first year, you ever went to school in primary, right through to your last one. really does [00:10:30] make you not want to be around people because you're just too much fear to be near people because you think they'll judge you. How about your friends that you have right now? Um, in terms of what you do, you socialise with them a lot. Uh, well, mainly because I live in Hawke's Bay. Um, it's a bit a bit annoying. I I've caught up with an old school friend from primary recently, which was good, And also one of my friends was recently up [00:11:00] in, and I caught up with him, which was good, but that'd be about it before that. It would have been a year and a half since I last been to a friend's house. Or I even caught up with a friend other than my online friends, which don't really count because I don't really know them in real life, but I have good friends. So, um, do you have a What is your definition in virginity? Um, well, once you've had any intercourse with either sex, really, Is that your only definition? Yes. That would be [00:11:30] your own definition, because it is exactly what it is. It doesn't need to be more complicated about it. Some people think otherwise. Yeah, some people think that you kind of need you. You lose your male virginity to a man, and you also lose lose your female one if you get what I mean. Some people think that there's more layers of virginity than there is in two just sex and stuff. It's just, you know, once you've had intercourse with another human being, that's, you know you've lost it. [00:12:00] So are you religious at any, uh, definitely not. And I I still, Technically, I technically think even science is technically a religion because, you know, it all is just an explanation of the universe and each one. It's another layer of more complexity and more realistically. So in a way, you're like an atheist or just no III. I don't like to be labelled with anything like that. I'm literally just don't believe in stuff like that because they're all still [00:12:30] explanations of the universe. But obviously I still support science more because it makes more logical sense. But, you know, religion does offer morals and science doesn't, so it is kind of handy in that aspect. So you've been bullied a lot. Lots, mainly. My high school and community years were all physical and previous to that was all, um, mental kind of verbal stuff. So you've never been abused about your sexuality? No, because I didn't express it at school or anything because I used to use usually Just sit [00:13:00] in the corner, cross legged through all the lunchtime and stuff, or hide away in the Student Learning Centre or a library in all the world. Try and avoid people. Do you have, like, a little sanctuary where you go to each lunch time when you're in high school or something? When I was, uh, no, not really. I would literally cross my legs, cross my arms, sit, sit in the corner for nearly an hour, wait till the bell rang and eat my lunch. Good lunch. What did you have for lunch? [00:13:30] Oh, my mom's a great cook. So we used to have things like leftover rice and stuff like that with really nice stir fry on top. Really nice stew and stuff. That's why I enjoy cooking. I brought $600 knives, but I will. Have you ever thought about going to a tech or something for hospitality? Um, no, not really. Um, I've looked into that, but, you know, um, it's kind of difficult for me to explain. Not sure if I could really explain [00:14:00] it. Hm. Oh, well, is it like something about your social skills or no nothing to do with that? It's just I don't I I've working in the kitchen and knowing how much I I haven't really particularly enjoyed it working in the kitchen. It's not particularly an environment I like working in. You know, I can be passionate about the cooking, but the way it works in the kitchen, I don't particularly enjoy it. I could easily own a cafe, though, if I wanted to. You prefer the coffee a lot? Yeah. So [00:14:30] you have a bit of a coffee addiction, don't you? Not really. More of a extreme passion for coffee, A rather over the top one as well. And I really love the flavour of coffee. And I love showing people that there are different types of coffee than just coffee and water. And, yeah, there's there's more. There's there's really nice stuff you can. The world has a lot to offer that you know, most Western world people don't get to try because it's just usually milk and sugar, and that's it with their coffee. Then there's more to try than [00:15:00] just that. So, um, New Zealand is the only one is the only place that has flat whites? Yes, it's the only place that they call them flat bits, but some Yes, some countries call them by different names. It'll be just like a coffee with milk, please. And, you know, and that'll be it. And then they'll give it a fancy name. The fluffy one. A fancy name just because a a flat white or something random like that. Thank you for the interview.
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