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Hello. How are you today? I'm good. That's good. What's your name? Nicholas. That's good. So where are you from? Born and bred. Very, very. You're being in Mason all your life? Yeah. Yeah. Is there like a hospital around here? Of course there is. Just up the road. Can't see it. How big is the hospital? Pretty big. Yeah. For our size [00:00:30] of that region. Anyway, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Well, sporty active young fella. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. Do a lot of hockey, and I'm very, very productive at school. And yes, So I love being out in the outdoors. Yeah. Do you, um, when you say productive, what do you do that, um, [00:01:00] I get on, get on with my work. But I do still have fun in the process. So it's like, not all silent and sitting here being bored. So it's like, still have a lot of friends around in class talk. Yeah, and but still get on with the work I was going to say when you mean productive. You mean like a theatre? Jazz hands III. I kind of suck at productions singing [00:01:30] jazz. I'm not that talented Are you sure? Very sure. Ok, OK, Um so what music are you into? Always a tough question. Um, basically anything good on the radio. So I was like, anything good on the radio? What's your radio station or the edge or the edge? The main pop [00:02:00] rock Pop rock? Yeah. Everything. R and B charts? Yes. OK, so what is your My sex? My gender. Male gender is different from sex. Sex is what you were born as male and your gender is male. What is your sexuality? Bisexual. What is your cultural identity? My cultural identity. NZ [00:02:30] with very strong European descent. And what? How do you express yourself either feminine, masculine or anything else? I'm a very masculine kind of guy. You don't know. I'm joking. Well, you you you wait till you see me ripping out of deer guts and then question that I'd hate to. If that's you showing [00:03:00] your masculinity, I'd hate to know what you show as your feminine. Anyway, um, moving on. When did you realise that you were attracted to the same gender? Um, kind of got very curious when I was about 13, and then kind of it was a very definite. I was attracted both males and females about 14. 15. Was it like you sit in class and [00:03:30] you realised Oh, there's a boy across the room. Um, no, we must go dance around the gardens. No, it's kind of a kind of bit of subtle subtlety to it. It didn't happen overnight, and it was kind of a long time sort of thing. Did you wait for a denial period? Yeah. For for like, first year. I was kind of a bit iffy on that whole idea. So but then I kind [00:04:00] of came around and like, Yeah, I'm definitely by what, uh, gender do you prefer? Um, I'm kind of very even handed on him. I was like, I, I don't like whatever comes along, comes along. There's no sort of like, Oh, I prefer guys first or I prefer girls first. But it gets very awkward when I kind of like both a guy and a girl at the same time. And either sometimes I'm dating [00:04:30] a guy and then all of a sudden, this girl comes along and it's like, Oh, it's very tough some days to cross your legs when you're like going out. It's like, Oh, there's two good looking people. Hello? Yeah, Especially when there's a when I'm both. Like each of the couples. It's like one of those days. It doesn't come along very often, but it rises a couple every six months or so. [00:05:00] So, um, are you out? Yes. I'm basically out to everyone apart from my grandparents and my immediate family and friends all know. So who did you told First? I. I came out to my friends first and then then came out to my, um, stepfather before my mother and my and then just recently, my [00:05:30] father earlier this year. So what did you tell them? As a bit. How did you tell them? I mean, they they they they've always basically known. Because it's like when you're young and going very hormonal and all that, and you're kind of on the computer and you forget to delete your history. Did they kind of find out I was Oh, dear. So it's like, [00:06:00] Yeah, I kind of keep denying it about it like they knew. So it wasn't that hard. Yeah. Did you ever try to blame someone else with the whole history thing? Um Yes, I did a couple times, but then it's like after a lot of times it happening like it. It like it like no point hiding it anymore. It's like when you kind of go completely [00:06:30] mind wipe about deleting the whole history. It's like, Just forget it. It's like it. I've seen it already. So it's like they know. So have they actually seen the history of, like, pornographic either gay or stretch or both kind of thing? Um, they they've seen little snippets like, But when [00:07:00] I had one of those days when you kind of had those needs and then it's like it's only and then you kind of just mind wipe it and then you bit of a rush, Yeah, you just delete the whole history and everybody kind of thing. Yeah, So, um, how how about your friends? How did you come up to them? Oh, I, I just said, Look, I'm I'm by, Get over it. [00:07:30] And basically I was kind of the catalyst for quite a few other friends to come out as by So they came. So you've been used as the local counsellor for all the quick little kids. No I I haven't, really. I was like, It's like every all my friends were basically accepting and then like, and they were on the my circle of friends as well, like, So I was like, it was one after the other and all that and everyone was pretty sweet about it. Hm. [00:08:00] So kind of good reaction to it. It was very good. It was like nothing changed. So you have a bit of a support system? Yeah, I got about Oh, I've got to count. How many buy friends I have. Um, probably over five or so. My friends at my school alone. Is there a bit of a gay community LGBT community in Madison? Um, no, [00:08:30] There isn't really a strong presence of one. Yeah, there's a There's a little one that started up recently on Facebook. And you are manning the forces? Yeah, it it's been it was kind of bit pressured. At first. I was like, like a lot of other people quite open to the idea, and then some are still questioning it, but yeah, it's like like shall we [00:09:00] have a group? No, there's not enough of us. So we should We should actually be more open. And then and then the boundaries of who? Who's joining? Like if it's a master area, accepting people that were originally from but living in another city for uni or something? It's like a lot of people were questioning that idea. And I was like, I was, like, a bit confusing for me as well. [00:09:30] Where are you going? Do you have any idea how you fix the situation, or do you want to fix the situation? Or do you think it will just fix by itself? Probably fix by itself, because there's a strong group of masters and people in it in it, like, and there's only one or two people that are saying, Oh, what what? What's the point of the group? And the rest are kind of all kind of shutting him down. Yeah. [00:10:00] So, um, have you been in relationships before, right? Yeah. Would you like to talk about them? Um, kind of. They were. They were all right. Relationships. They were kind of a bit down at times, and then it's like they had their moment. Yeah. Yeah. How many relationships have you been in? Been in two guy and guy relationships and quite a few, um, heterosexual ones. So with the relationships [00:10:30] with the same gender, how long did those last? Um, so it lasted about the first one about four or so months, and then the second one, about six months or so. Did you ever, um, keep it a secret about the relationships? Um, in my first one I, I did for a short period. But then it's like after getting caught sneaking [00:11:00] out over over to the other coast and almost getting away with it, it kind of came out. And it? Yeah. And then the then the kind of massive phone bill was the other one. it was it was a pretty strong, like the parents weren't really accepting all of it because the guy was a bit older than me. How much? Um, about eight years old. So [00:11:30] it's not too bad. It was, like dramatic, like, 15 years. Not like I'm against that or anything for the listeners or anything like that. It's just, you know, yeah, Yeah, it was a strong battle, like, kind of he He lived up in Auckland at first, but then moved down to Wellington, and we were at that point. We were going out for months and a bit. And then kind of go and see him at first was [00:12:00] a big, strong no from the parents. So it's like there's a lot, a lot of tension between me and the parents about the whole subject. But then after a while, parents became very accepting of it, you know, kind of like, uh, well, he's staying this person, and we can't really hold him back for too long or he'll start being against us kind of thing. Yeah, Yeah, I guess they were smart in that way, but yeah, but then they [00:12:30] ended up coming being actually very supportive at the end because the relationship did take a bit of a dive because he was very kind of controlling. He was a very dominant person. Yes. Like like what? He without me knowing he would go through my phone and then come and all that and question me about all my friends and all that. Like, I couldn't even hang out with my best friend Laurie [00:13:00] at times because he he he just didn't like him. And like, he didn't even know my friend and it like, but he was like, Yeah, yeah, Well, OK, let's move on. Um, how do you meet other people in the community? Um, I kind of haven't really met anyone from, like personally. Well, I mean, the LGBT community, Um, kind of through, um, online sort [00:13:30] of ways and Facebook and other social media. And then, um yeah. And then sometimes through other friends as well, Like I've met like I met a couple of, um, guy gay and by people through some of my friends and couple of parties as well, so yeah. Yeah. So, uh, what is your definition of virginity? Virginity? [00:14:00] Um, it's kind of like I've got two definitions is my gay virginity and then my, um, heterosexual virginity. And it's like so it's like I haven't lost my straight virginity yet. So it's like I'm kind of only been having sexual intercourse with guys. Why is that? That's just, like, have have basically I've only had [00:14:30] girlfriends before. Before I was 16 and all that and then when I was turned 16, I've only been actually really with guys, and they've kind of always been really corny. It's like it's like when you're that one track mind. Yeah, as I As I recall, there was a saying that males, um, I think about sex every 20 seconds. Unless you're a gay male, then it's nine seconds. Yeah, it's like you. You you try try [00:15:00] to take it slow and then all of a sudden, But if you're on the bed half naked who, um, have you experienced any abusive behaviour because of your sexuality? Um, no. Only kind of like basically, everyone I've known has been very accepting of it. I was like, at first, like like not even the school boys kind of even taunted me about [00:15:30] it. At least they equal about who they bully. Yeah, it's like because we're kind of a strong number of, um at our school. So it's like we all band together. It's quite funny when you actually say that it's like you bag it and then the other boy is like, No, no, you can't do that. It's like like I. I got kind of teased about other things rather than my sexuality. It's, like, so kind of strange, like, you see, all these people get, [00:16:00] um, and like other places, getting just about it and then master, especially my school was just a normal. Is Mason accepting about LGBT people? Um, like like, this is not a big number that I know of. So it's like, but everyone I kind of spoke to is like they're all accepting. It's like but like Like, there's only I think there's only a couple that [00:16:30] have had trouble with, like, family and friends. But then the rest have been plain sailing. OK, well, thank you for the interview. It's finished already. Well, thank you.
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