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Hello. How are you today? Good. Thank you. Um, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Um, I live in Do business studies. Course studies. What type of business? Just general business. Are you looking to open up your own business or some sort of, I don't know, really. Just something handy to have something good on the CV. So, um, what about your interest in hobbies? Playing music. [00:00:30] What type of music? So, like disturbed or Metallica or Black Sabbath? Down. Did you went to Smashing Pumpkins in Auckland? I went into the producer the other week. I can't remember who his name is, but yeah, sure came introduce you both. Yes. So how [00:01:00] old are you? 2020. What is your, um what is your original sex? Um, female. And what is your gender identity? Male. Male. What is your culture? Identity. It's necessary. Kiwi European, You see. And what is your sexuality? Straight. Straight. So, um, when did you realise you were transgender? [00:01:30] Um, basically, Well, you know, you don't realise it, but you do. You realise it to a degree. But when I was 16, I came out as a train to peers and basically after going online and researching a bit about that kind of stuff really opened my eyes that it was possible. So I decided to go down that road myself. Did you have to? Can you explain to me, [00:02:00] um, because I don't interview a lot of transgender people. What was the process of going through process, process of realisation or process of realisation, that well, how you grew up or anything like that. So first I came out as lesbian when I was 12. 13. So, you know, sexually, I was attracted to females and then still didn't quite feel right, didn't fit in to the community and the gender groups [00:02:30] and whatnot and started researching, as I said after that. And then I came across transgenders and did more research into that and then decided to start the steps to transitioning. So, living as a male for two years prior to to starting hormones. And now yeah, got tea, litres and all that kind of stuff and yeah, [00:03:00] what's your what stage are you up to now? Um, I'm on hormones at the moment and getting surgery in three weeks. So when you're on, hormones are there side effects to them. Uh, side effects, good hair growth. Even the good side of it, The good side of things. Um, it's not really negatives to, well, health wise. They say there are, but not really. Realistically, [00:03:30] they aren't. Yeah, pretty much. Do you have to be on, like, any special diet to be on these hormones or or anything at all? No. No diet, no special exercise regime? Nothing. No, Just go to the gym, go to the gym seven days a week. Who be active when you came out as transgender, did you? Are you out to a body that's a bit hard to drop me [00:04:00] out? Yeah. Yeah. Out to everyone that needs to know. Yeah, um came out to my peers first, then came out to my mother later down the line, and everyone just followed suit, and, Yeah, I tried a little stealth for most of the time. Has everybody been accepting? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, so But it all does. What [00:04:30] was the main that you actually got on crying? No, but they they were all positive in the end. Oh, my God. Why didn't you tell me earlier or something like that? mum was crying and just did the what did I do wrong? And yeah, and everyone else was just Oh, we knew we were waiting for you to tell us when you came out as lesbian originally, [00:05:00] to your did you actually come out as lesbian? Yeah. I came out to a degree to some people. Did you come out to your mother? What was her reaction to that? That was also tears. Yeah, and then she kicked me out for a couple of weeks and long story short. Got back in there? Yeah. Do you actually live with your mother now or partner now? So you don't have. So you're [00:05:30] not going to get kicked out for that? No, thank goodness. That would be quite strange. Getting kicked out from your own home by your mother. Yeah, I was kind of prepared for it at that stage, though, because I had already done the what's going to happen. Research and was a possibility. And I thought it would be a possibility and happens and just went to my brother's house and stay with him for a few weeks. Yeah. [00:06:00] So what happens after hormones? Um, after hormones, surgeries, surgeries, Yeah. What's the first one? Top surgery. Which is chest reconstruction, then neck surgery, Probably a hysterectomy and then final bottom surgery. So, um, so I heard that you had to pay for it for yourself. Is [00:06:30] there actually any funding available anywhere? Um, funding for surgeries is available. Yeah, it's just DH B based. Yeah. Yeah. So how much does it generally cost? Depending on the areas. So if you go through funding, it's free completely. But if not, the average price in New Zealand would be about 15,000. Just depends who you go to and how far away they are. How about anywhere [00:07:00] else? Uh, down south is there would be kind of cheap. 10,000. And then overseas, there are about 5 6000 I looked into. Yeah, And then for other surgeries, you can go up to $100,000 mark. Oh, yeah. Is that in New Zealand or overseas? New Zealand can't do that. Surgery? Yeah, overseas, Thailand [00:07:30] or UK. I think I think Thailand was, like, 10,000 for bottom surgery as as far as I'm aware of. And then UK is quite expensive, but they may be like you lattes at the hospital or something. Yeah, well, for top surgery, so I hope so. Would you like caviar for that? Yeah. Fun times. So, um, you've had a good support system, haven't you? [00:08:00] Yeah, definitely. Here in this place here. Helped a hell of a lot. Is it a very accepting community? I probably not. No, no. It depends who you tell. It depends who you tell. Depends who knows? Yeah. Different sections. Shouting it out on the street. I'm transgendered. Oh, shit. Come and praise me. We're probably not like that, but you get the [00:08:30] point. Yeah, but no, no, I don't care who knows it. Yeah. So, um, how long have you been at closet space? Probably about 56 years or five? Six years. I say I've been around ages. How long has the group been running? Good question. I think it's been about 10, 11, 12 years now. So quite a while. Yeah. Must be surely Yeah. Long enough for people to know [00:09:00] that at least 10 years. Yeah. So, um, so that's a bit of a support system for you as well. Yeah. It's probably the main support group. Has the peer group seen you slow transition. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, um, you're in a relationship Currently, obviously. So how about, um have you been in other relationships before? I say this [00:09:30] is my first real relationship as a trans man, I think. Hey. Hey. How long have you two been dating? How would you like to answer that? A year and a bit. That's over a year that please don't hurt me. It's not my [00:10:00] fault. There's not enough time, so I can't remember. Oh, shit in my head. Oh, Whoops. So, um so obviously, um, how has the transitioning affected the relationship? I'd say more in a positive [00:10:30] way. A little, Um, say both happier and myself, which lets me commit to my partner more. Yeah. Yeah. How about you? How you feel, personally? So, um, how do you meet other people in the community? The transgender community online? [00:11:00] New Zealand. Trans guys got a website on Facebook? Yeah. Is it quite active? Uh, yeah, Quite active. It's about 90 80 people in there, and that's across the country. Is there many trans people in? I know of one other trans guy. 2222. Yeah, just, um Just [00:11:30] how about like, um, in the area, aren't we? So, yeah. Um, not really that I'm aware of. I'm not so sure. I don't Don't explore. Really. Hey, you're transcended, too, So let's have a party. I got the barbecue. Oh. How was it for you? Oh, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. So, [00:12:00] um, so you meet people through, um, close space as well. Yeah. Yeah. How about, um, anywhere else? No, not really. Only online and through space. So what is your definition of virginity when two people, um, intimate will be each other [00:12:30] the first time? Yes, I Yeah. To be honest, I say virginity is Yeah. Yeah. Uh, do you think there are actually any other forms of virginity? Hm. Not really. You don't think so? Well, you're talking normal. What? People class as virginity or any type of virginity. Well, that's what he says. Your anal virginity, your [00:13:00] vaginal virginity and so many sexual sexual. All right, So, um, have you experienced or sorry? You saw it in anyway and free. And you have you experienced [00:13:30] any abusive behaviour or abuse because of, um, being transgender? Uh, mostly variable, but define abuse. Abuse can be many things. It could be it could be physical, verbal, anything. So since been out as Trans, I mostly just verbal, but nothing recently. Nothing too bad. I'm generally still feeling. So have, um what [00:14:00] do they say? Uh, I was the little I can't remember what it was. I was the kid at my old work here. Did they start referring me to that old movie? It know, but but yeah, so, you know, just basic bullying is mostly but And the most famous, the most famous [00:14:30] question famous. Are you a boy or a girl? You get that one. But that's not really well, it's more like Miseducation. Yes. What? What? What do you say to that? Oh, boy, Depends who they are. Really, Really does depend who they are, right? Oh, thank you to the interview. Um, is there anything else you [00:15:00] want to say, right. Thanks. See you later.
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