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Hello. How are you today? I'm good. How are you? Fantastic. What's your name? Georgie. Georgie. Like Georgie Pie? Yes, Like Georgie pie. I was very sad when Georgie Pie closed down. So have you heard the Heard the new movement to get Georgie pie up and running? No, I thought McDonald's bought it out. Yeah, McDonald's had brought it out, but there's someone going around the country like getting, um, signatures on this. Just like taking time off from work. Just going cross singing, having a petition, having, like, try to get, like, 5000 [00:00:30] signatures, which is going quite well. Yeah. I've always wanted one of those T shirts that has bring back Georgie Pie on it. Yeah, good times. Good times. I remember when I was little. I bought the pies better than KFC pies. KFC has pies. They had for a little bit. I did not know that. Yeah, maybe I'm too young. It taste No, no, no. It was like last year and earlier this year it tasted like potato and gravy pie sounds. Yuck. [00:01:00] It was Yuck. OK, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Um, I'm 21. I'm from I'm studying vet at Palmerston North in my second year, um, from the Waikato born and raised in New Zealand. Got two older brothers. Um, yeah, Pretty much basic information. I have two cats, Two cats? Yeah, I'm the cat lady. What's her name? Um, Rafael and Quinn. They [00:01:30] their brothers? Oh, they're pretty sweet. Yeah, pretty good. That's about Yeah. Any other information? And, um, what is your sexuality? I'm gay. You're gay or whatever you want to call it. What is your What is your gender identity? Female. Good. You know what they both are? Some people don't, um what is your culture Identity? [00:02:00] I don't really Yeah. New Zealand. I don't really, you know, have a massive cultural care to be honest. Yeah, I know that I have Dutch ancestry and that sort of thing, and that's cool. But otherwise yeah, just New Zealander. And how do you express yourself in a masculine, feminine or any other way? Um, kind of both. Like I am more of a feminine gay chick. I would think, you know, But, [00:02:30] um, I definitely do have sort of masculine tendencies as well that I can't sort of help. It's just me. You know, sometimes I try to be more feminine because I know that that's what most other girls want. You know, girls want you. Girls usually want a girl, a girl they don't really want, You know, some big Butch Dykes. And I think I feel more comfortable when I feel prettier. But at the same time, I have a big conflict there because, you know, sometimes I just like to be, like, real Dodd and like, work out and get, like, big muscles and stuff and [00:03:00] yeah, yeah, and like a dude and just like I that's quite me. Like, if I was just, you know, to be Yeah, you just, like, walk through random doors and just change your complete personality. I'm really I can Yeah, I'm really both like I. I don't know if it's necessarily a conflict. Like sometimes I just prefer to be girly, and other times I prefer to It's kind of like the whole, um I just like that. It's like the angel and the devil on each shoulder. Like, be be feminine. Yeah, basically, yeah, I've always I've always wanted to keep my feminine side, [00:03:30] but at the same time, like I felt like I was flying under the radar a little bit. Like nobody knew I was gay, even though I was pretty much blurting it from the rooftops because I had to actually tell people and shake them and be like, Come on. Otherwise I'd never meet any other gay people. Are you a bit of a feminist? No, No, no, no, not at all. You, you you. Yeah, Yeah, I'm just me. I don't really You know, I believe in equal rights for everyone. You know, I don't I think feminism maybe [00:04:00] has taken it a bit far sometimes. You know, like you're going a bit overboard. Like expecting more rights. Almost sometimes. I don't know. It's yeah. No, not a huge feminist. So, um, when did you realise I actually know the exact moment? It was a bit of a light bulb moment. Well, I'd been I was 15. Um, actually, in retrospect now, looking back throughout my childhood [00:04:30] and things I can sort of see, you know, like in hindsight, you're like, Oh, yeah, Maybe that was a bit of a sign, you know, making out with your friend when you were 10, but a genuine but at the time. You know, she just didn't know how to kiss. And she just got a boyfriend. So I was just like, I'll show you how? Because I've kissed before. So there you go. But yeah. No, I was, um I had this friend I probably shouldn't name her. Um, at high school, I went to a Catholic high school. All girls, um, and yeah. And, um, yeah, we were, like, just became best [00:05:00] friends. And it was really, really intense. And it was really rapid. And I realised that I had sort of stronger feelings for her. And we used to just be really, really cuddly. And we'd like, you know, always hug and cuddle and stuff, and then it sort of just escalated like that. I never put moves on or anything. I always she always instigated everything. So because I was too scared, you don't want to freak her out. And I didn't know what was going on, either. And then one night I went there, um, and we had a sleepover, and we [00:05:30] were just hugging. And then things sort of just like one thing, you know? Yeah, like Nick. She was on top of me you know, And it was just like, but we were just hugging, you know, And it was just like, and then things started getting a bit more heated. And Ra Ra ra And then after that, I was just like, Oh, my God, you know what's happened? But, um actually, people found out about it and it got out. And she told everyone that I had attacked her in her sleep and that I was like, some crazy lesbian rapist, and that got out around the whole school and, yeah, so I was, like, 15 and pretty, [00:06:00] pretty gutted. And even though she was on top of you Oh, yeah, she I never did any of it. You know, Like, I let her instigate everything because I was way too scared and because I was I was in love, like, madly in love like teenage like insane. And that went on, uh, well, she actually ended up apologising. But then, um, I thought she apologised. She'd come back, but she didn't. And then yeah, kind of spiralled into a depression for two years, [00:06:30] and then yeah, that's that's my story. So did you ever have, like, a denial period denial period. No, I, I don't really think so. Like I had the I had the light bulb moment. I was sitting on the bus one day. This was like probably like a month or two when we were still, you know, we were just friends Still, but things were sort of getting a bit intimate. And I sort of thought because I had boyfriends in the past and I was like, Huh? Like I'm sitting. I don't mean to be dodgy, but I was sitting there thinking, [00:07:00] Yeah, you know, I was like, I am so, you know, into that right now. And then I was just like, I've never you know, whenever I had my boyfriends and stuff, even when we were doing, like, intimate things, I never felt this rush, you know, this amazing, like feeling. And then I was just like, Oh, shit, I'm so gay. I was just like, Oh, no, I was just like, Ah, yeah, but then it wasn't really a big deal. I I was I think it wasn't really denial. I was just more. I felt like no one understood. Even [00:07:30] my best friends, like I could talk to them about it and I'd act OK, but they'd say, I don't even know if I was acting. I think they were being real that they were OK with it. But I would always feel like they were judging me. Even my parents, like I like they accepted it when I I told them I was like, Yeah, I think I'm going there like, yeah, so they sort of already knew. But, um, no, I wouldn't call it. I think I was just more I once I realised that I just wanted to reach out like I. I needed other people around me who understood. But I didn't do that for two years because [00:08:00] I was too busy being depressed. You didn't, um I expected a good positive reaction from people when you No, no, no, I didn't I didn't expect it. No, people were more positive than I did expect. And then after that two year period when I I met someone on some dating site and we started dating and I took her to the ball to the ball in Hamilton, and I had the jaws dropped. Yeah, I actually went up to my dean and asked [00:08:30] her I was just like, Look, is it OK if I take my girlfriend? And she was just like, as long as you don't make it completely obvious when you're there and I'm like, it's not like we're gonna start fucking on the dance a lot. Yeah, but no. So, yeah, I took her to the boss. That was quite good. That's good. So you never really had a closet to come out of. Really? Not really. Because it got outed for me, you know, like everyone found out. And then I you know, it was it was hard. It was really hard. And but I [00:09:00] I was so overwhelmed by the emotion of being madly in love that I didn't care what people were thinking about me. I was All I could think about was how I was going to get back. It was like it was almost an obsession. And then, yeah, it spiralled down. It was it was quite bad. Yeah, it's genetic. It it's quite funny because there is no closet for you. A closet for you is like a doorway to Narnia for you. Yeah, I don't know. I just Yeah, I sort of just got out, you know, it [00:09:30] happened, and I That was the least of my worries. At the time, I wasn't worried about the fact that it was a girl. I was more just horrified by the fact that I'd lost her. I was I was so gutted. Yeah, it was crazy. You had a lot of support. A big bit of a support system for your sexuality. Hm. Not really at the time. Like it's not like there was any queer youth groups at my Catholic school, you know, like, none of my friends were gay, but your parents were accepting. [00:10:00] Yeah, but I was I. I was sceptical of that. You know, I never felt I never like, they could say that they're accepting, and same with my friends. But I never believed them. And even now, sometimes I think that my parents might think it's just a phase, and then I'll come out of it. But they'll they'll realise eventually, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, you've had relationships before. Yeah. Yeah, Like, tell us about some. I've I've actually skipped from relationship to relationship. And you went from a a flinging [00:10:30] stage. I Yeah, I just you right now I want to stay single for a very long time because I've had my heart broken pretty brutally recently in year 13, I mean online, and we dated for six months, and then she broke up with me on New Year's, which was really brutal. Quite strange. Yeah, I was really gutted and it was really out of the blue. I didn't expect it, but our relationship was great, and I didn't really see what the problem was, but I think I settled a bit because she was the first [00:11:00] gay person I met. So I was just like like, I didn't find it that attractive, to be honest. And, you know, it was like I just her because I wanted to experience what it was like to have a relationship with a girl. And then I came down to Messy to do it and had had a fling with an R. A Oh, yeah, yeah. Had a random fling with an R A which was very silly, but yeah, it was fun. And then I got into a 18 month big long relationship with, um this girl I met. Someone [00:11:30] introduced me to her. It wasn't the healthiest relationship like we had lots of good times and stuff, but she was quite flirtatious with other people. And I'm very into fidelity and monogamy and stuff. And she never really made me feel that secure. And so we broke up. Well, she left. She left and she said she needed space. Then I realised it wasn't good for me, so I didn't want to get back into the relationship. She came back a month later. I was like, OK, let's get back together. And I was like, No. So in the end, I actually ended up breaking her [00:12:00] heart. Yeah, And then I was only single for, like, two months. And then I met at a party here, and I we clicked. And it was like to me, it felt like it still does. It felt like it was it. Like, honestly, she made me feel like it was gonna last forever. Like she moved all this stuff in pretty much and like, we just I can't even, like, describe the connection. Really, But, um yeah, and then just out of the blue, like on my actually on my birthday [00:12:30] on my 21st birthday, she just said that Well, actually, two days before she told me she loved me. And then on that day, she was like, Look, I'm just not ready for it. I don't want to be in a relationship anymore. And she left. And I haven't seen her since. And that was that. So, Yes, I'm a very lonely, heartbroken person at the moment. But I'm determined to stay single for a long, long time because I've never been single as an adult for longer than a month. I need to learn how to do it without feeling lonely. How [00:13:00] long ago was that relationship? Like four weeks? Um, so I'm not gonna be enough now. Four weeks is a month, isn't it? August August The fifth was my birthday. So I guess it is longer. It's just over a month. Yeah. So, um, how do you meet other people in the LGBTI Q community? Uh, NZD and coming to Q. Coming, coming International International National Way of meeting. People like, pretty [00:13:30] much like I got to hook up with a freaking crazy hot chick. On Saturday night, I met off NZD. I was just here dancing with my cousin, and then she just turned up and was ruin to me, but I didn't. She wanted to go home, but I just couldn't do it. Just not really, you know, like, I thought I could be all bad ass and promiscuous, but it's just not me. Yeah. So, um, what is your definition of virginity? So my definition of virginity or sex? Your personal virginity, [00:14:00] Your personal definition. Virginity? Um, I don't know. Like you think. I think it's a quite a. It's not just a physical thing. Like, I think it is a mental thing as well. You know, like, if you're with someone like you know, how people can say, Oh, lesbians can't lose their virginity, you know, because they're not They can't have, you know, penetration with a Penis like I don't necessarily. It's not even necessarily about penetration. There's people out there who probably can never [00:14:30] have penetration because they, you know, sexual organs aren't able to do so. You know, like there's diseases out there that you can't. So does that mean those people are never going to get to have sex? No. You know, it's if you're with someone and you mentally and physically, you know, inside feel like you are having sex then, and they do as well. Then you are having sex. In my opinion, I think it's Yeah, it's not just dick and vagina, you know, it's not that basic. [00:15:00] Um, have you ever been, uh, have you ever experienced abuse or abusive behaviours because of your sexuality or gender identity? Yes, actually, um well, I've just been discriminated against a few times. Um, like once I was going to the movies in Wellington with my girlfriend and we were holding hands and walking into the movies, and this woman approached us. I think she was a security guard or something. And she was like, Oh, you're not allowed in here if you're gonna be making out and stuff, you know? And [00:15:30] we were like, what? And they were like, Oh, you know, we can't We've got a standard. We've got standards to keep here. You know, we can't have you guys coming in here and making out like these other girls were the other day. And I was just like I was so angry. I was like, Does she walk up to every straight couple who walks up there, You know, and go. Oh, you guys can't make out, You know, like it. It just It really, really aggravated me. Yeah, it's quite strange. And just getting like, I think gay guys get harassed in a different way. They get, you know, called pussies and weak and pathetic and disgusting girls. We get sexually [00:16:00] objectified. You know, I get, you know, guys who are just like, yeah, you know, let's have a three way, you know, And just like me and my girlfriend kissed in the car once and this guy, too, and went past, and he was like, uh, like, out the window to us, you know, with his thing is making sexually suggestible. You know, it's just Yeah, I think it's a different kind of abuse. Guys get beaten up, we get like, yeah, and objectified like it. It makes you feel, like, kind of disgusting. No, no, no. Keep that way. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Well, thank you for the interview. That's [00:16:30] right. Thank you.
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