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This is Priscilla and Priscilla does lots of stuff. Um, some of which is working at Rainbow Youth. You want me to talk about NBU? Yeah. Why not? Um, so I'm the education coordinator at rain. You, um, that means I go and talk to students in high schools. They're generally about 15 or 16. Talk to them about sexual orientation, gender identity, homophobia, um, coming [00:00:30] out all those kinds of topics. And how do they How do they take that? Hm? Generally. Really? Really. Well, all of them take it really, really well, sometimes there's some homophobic students in the class, but they're generally just trying to be defensive. You know, maybe they're gay or whatever. Um, but yeah, they take it pretty well today in class. They seem to know a whole lot of stuff. And one of the volunteers asked them how many of them [00:01:00] know a gay person really well or something, and about half of them raise their hands. So that was really cool. And it kind of made me think I don't know about the content of the workshops and whether I don't know, like, I need to incorporate some more stuff around people knowing more gay people these days now? Um, so, yeah, they take it really well. Yeah. So would that be the specific schools in which you're going to? As in the schools that let you win, I guess. Would they be more progressive, or do [00:01:30] you think it's a kind of widespread thing where you're like, Wow, actually, society is just becoming less homophobic and lots of young people do know heaps of people, right? I guess a bit of both. Um, I do think society is becoming less homophobic. Well, I mean, if we're talking really far back in time, then obviously it wasn't homophobic because sexuality was thought about in a different way. Um, but yeah, like recent past, I think [00:02:00] we are becoming less homophobic, but it's definitely as well, quite school specific. Like you said, I think some schools the students will know a whole lot more queer people because it's not as homophobic and more people are out, so they're more likely to know them. Whereas in the schools where they think they don't, they would know them. But they just don't know they get yet because everyone isn't out. So do the schools approach you Or do you approach the schools? Um, when I first started working at Rainbow Youth a year ago, there were [00:02:30] about six schools that had had a relationship with Rainbow Youth for quite a few years. Um, around education. So they contacted me as soon as I got on the job, and that was all set up, and that was that went really well. Um, but since I've been there, we've put together a new flyer and sent it out to, um, every single school across Auckland. So about how many schools are there in 100 and 50? Um So, yes, I get really busy if they get back into it. Well, it's getting really busy already. Yeah, but we're talking about, um [00:03:00] you know, like everything at Rainbow Youth is always developing and in flux. Um, you know, changing to the needs and things like that. So we're looking at changing the education programme as we always are. But, you know, in the future it could include things like more educators at Rainbow Youth, like a team like other organisations have so a lot of stuff happening. And how did you get into this role? Have you did you Do you work before or Yeah, yeah. Um, I [00:03:30] I kind of came out publicly when I went to university and found the uni here down there like the or the So this is in Auckland or No, it's in Dunedin. Yeah, and just started volunteer volunteering with them straight away. So I think they I can't remember. It was, like, six years ago or something now, but I'm I'm pretty sure they already had groups going when I joined, but I started [00:04:00] a woman's focused like a queer women's focus group once I became a member of. So I helped with that, like, running the group and facilitating all that kind of stuff and would put on, like would help when they put on events. So it would be like the What's it called when you do like the inside stuff the, uh like when you hang the like, you decorate it, the decorating it with the decorator because it just sounds stupid. Oh, yeah. Kind of like the interior [00:04:30] design of the parties or whatever that's called. Yeah. So I I'd been involved with events and organising all that kind of shit, um, and went to conferences and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. So it wasn't he involved. And a volunteering capacity with the queer community in Dunedin. So you said you came out publicly when you joined. Was it? Is it Is it called uniq Dunedin or whatever group down there? What were you before you were publicly out? Did you know that you kind of hadn't told anyone? Or [00:05:00] So you want my coming out story? Yeah, Why not? Um, I I had a girlfriend at high school, and we were together for about 2.5 years while I was at high school. But we didn't come out to any of our friends. And this is in Dunedin as well. No, this is in and mount. So you grew up in all over the show, so I was born in Sydney, in Newtown, which is now apparently Li. It was a very cool place there. Yeah, so that's exciting. [00:05:30] Um, and then moved to New Zealand when I was five, Grew up in Mount till I was 18, went to uni in Dunedin for five years and then moved up to Auckland, and I've been here for a year, so I had a high school. The quick synopsis. Yeah. Um, yeah. I had a girlfriend at high school. I think I was with her for, you know, like, maybe even, uh maybe like a year, [00:06:00] like with her in love with her, But didn't think I was gay like I hadn't really, like, come out to myself. Quite, I guess. Definitely hadn't come out to anyone else. Um, I hadn't told my friends, but I really wanted to talk about the relationship. So, you know, I was like in love. I want to talk about it. So I kind of made up this thing about this boyfriend that I had if I wanted to meet him. But I said he lived really far away, and just so that, like, if I could talk [00:06:30] to my friends about it. But that was really weird, like the more I think about that now and the more I because I take volunteers into the education sessions to tell their coming out stories to the students. And the more I hear people's coming out stories and the things that people go through because they all seem quite similar, just putting me in touch with the things that I went through and how fucking weird they are. Like, just I don't think non queer people can get how weird it is to do shit like that. Like making up [00:07:00] a fake boyfriend so you can talk about the problems you're having with your girlfriend. Like that's so complex. And was she at school? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she was there when you were talking about your problems. Na da da na Because Oh, no, no, no, no. She wasn't there. I'll talk about it. And like, No, she wasn't there. And so when you came out publicly in Dunedin, had you already told your parents [00:07:30] and that they know or your family, um, so was my first girlfriend. Um, my mom saw us hooking it up and accidentally, or Yeah, definitely. Accidentally. And like, uh, like we got, we got busted. Totally. And we weren't even on my property. We were on someone else's property, So my mom was shitty at me. Well, this is what I remember of it. Maybe other people, other parties of the scenario have different stories, but, [00:08:00] um, yeah, we totally got busted. And from what I remember, my mom was really shitty at me, but I think like it was, like, kind of unclear whether she was shitty, that I was hooking up with her or whether I was hooking up with somebody on somebody else's property. Um, and so it was unclear about what she was shitty about, but she was shitty. And she asked me if we were together, and I was freaked [00:08:30] out because she was shitty. So I said no. And then that was it, Which kind of worked out Well, because, you know, then she could just stay all the time. And she was just my friend. So that's, you know, quite a positive, I guess. And do you have brothers and sisters? Yeah, I've got one. Brother. Um, I, uh I can't remember what he thought about it back then, but yeah, he's Everybody's totally sweet with it now. I think that'd be well, it's funny. I was talking about this [00:09:00] this morning. I'm pretty sure they would be really, really shocked if I brought a guy home as my boyfriend. But then I was thinking, Would they like, maybe if I brought a boyfriend home, they'd be stoked like, Yeah, finally, she's straight But I doubt that, like, do you talk about it at all? Or it's just one of those not talk about things um, talk about in what capacity? Like, Yeah, we definitely talk about it like, um, it's nothing that [00:09:30] I feel uncomfortable about. Like I said, I'm pretty sure they'd be really surprised if I brought a guy home. So they just know that that's who I am. And there's definitely no weirdness around that at all. Um, definitely would bring home any partners. That's just totally normal. So was your mom kind of sweet as about queer people, gay and lesbian people? When you were growing up? Was there any messages that you kind of got from? Well, when we when we were in Australia or like my brother's godmother, [00:10:00] is, um, like this transgendered person? And I think they hung out with, like, Yeah, the queer community heaps. I think maybe before you were born like that was like their social circle, I think, is my impression from what they've told me, Um, and my dad's made like a documentary called Man and a woman he made in the eighties, and it's screened in cinemas and stuff so, yeah. Seems like this massive of history, but like my [00:10:30] mom and dad split when I was five. So I grew up with my mom and my stepdad, and, nah, they didn't like, they didn't have a queer community of friends then, but they didn't kind of say really homophobic things, and no, they didn't. Yeah, that is good. They didn't say homophobic things. I do remember, though, watching the top twins on the TV, and I don't Yeah, because this is the thing. I was grossed out by them. Whereas obviously now I just think they're, like, fucking amazing. [00:11:00] But I was really grossed out by them. And I think, you know, obviously when you're young, you're like a product of your environment or whatever. So surely there must have been some kind of weird vibe towards Maybe it's, I don't know, people doing stuff, um, attitudes there. Yeah, right. High school was definitely not cool to be gay. Definitely not. I went to an all girls school, and there was supposedly this group of lesbians there that, like, apparently they sat behind [00:11:30] I don't know, you know, like K block or some shit like that. That's where they sit and there's like, four of them and they're like vampire lesbians and they suck each other's blood and stuff like this. So that was the only kind of thing that was around at my school about gay woman. So, you know, it wasn't something you want to associate with these vampire lesbians that are the real goth. And, you know, like it wasn't me. Um, yeah, and if someone like it was definitely [00:12:00] that finger pointing thing of like it was the like, you know, it's like people. It's like, pretty sure even the straight girls would be scared that someone would point the finger at them and call them a lesbian. It's like everyone felt. I'm sure this isn't just me, but I'm pretty sure it's like it'd be the worst thing to be called a lesbian, and you kind of like live in fear that someone's gonna call you that, and then other people might believe it, and then you're going to be the lesbian, and then everybody's Everyone's [00:12:30] not gonna want to get changed near you in the changing room and shit like that, so coming out of high school is definitely not an option. No, but thinking about it now, like I don't know. I mean, I. I was friends with everybody. It's not like like I think it would have maybe been fine. May maybe. I don't know. My mom also went to the school, so I didn't. This is another thing that I heard in a volunteer story as well. This idea about not wanting to shame her. That's how this volunteer said it. And yeah, that [00:13:00] resonated with me. So is it just quite free ability to not embarrass her at school? So is it kind of just freeing because you, I guess when you're at your university, your mom wasn't there, but also, I guess, moving away from everyone. Did it kind of free you to feel that you could come out there totally? And did you struggle with it in yourself? Or it was just a few. The social situations changed so it can come out. Or did she she feel happier about being queer? Or I think it was just a social situation that had changed. Um, [00:13:30] because I met my first other queer woman in seventh form. That was not my girlfriend. Um, and we went and visited her and and me and my girlfriend and she had all these queer friends and I was just like, Oh my God, these other lesbians, like I just seriously thought there were no other lesbians in the whole world. I think, apart from the top twins, I didn't know they were a lesbian. That that happened when, like, I saw them on TV when I was, you know, like, 10 or whatever. [00:14:00] And I was really confused and like That's like another thing as well. I think I was the bully at school like the homophobic bully. Oh, no, I had homophobia phobia. So maybe your education staff is trying to undo all of that. Totally. I totally say that when I'm in class, Yeah, because I went because, like, one of the terms I describe in the workshops is homophobia, which is their fear around encountering homophobia yourself. [00:14:30] So, like acting out and whatever way that is because you're scared that you're going to get bullied in a homophobic way. So that's what I was saying at school, like I was so scared of people going to say that I was gay and I was gay and I didn't want anyone to know. So I would police other people's sexuality so that no one would police mine. Yeah, I mean, it's fucked. It's that power dynamic thing. But I thought if I had power, then nobody can have power over me. Oh, dear. Yeah, Things have changed for you, then. [00:15:00] Yes, yes, very much so. So what's it like being queer now? I guess your job plays a big part of that. But do you encounter homophobia today in these days and now and that kind of thing, or are you quite chipper chipper as a queer person in the world? A good question? Well, yeah, I feel pretty chipper, but, um, yeah, I do encounter homophobia, too. So both of them, um, [00:15:30] I run in queer circles. I think I'm realising more and more like whenever I hang out with not queer people. I'm like, Whoa, this is different. Not as in. I never interact with straight people. Not that at all. But just like I take for granted that the communities I'm in are queer in one way or another, but pretty much queer. Um, so whenever I'm hanging out [00:16:00] in scenarios that aren't queer, um I feel really weird. And I'd call that homophobia. Yeah, as in I feel weird looking confessed. Um, I think that's homophobia, because the weird feeling is coming from I don't feel like it's coming from myself because I have deconstructed my homophobia pretty much. I think, uh, I think there's still [00:16:30] a few things I probably need to deconstruct working on those. But, um, majority, like my general view of being queer, is pretty positive. So when I'm feeling abnormal, I know that it's not coming from me. So is it mostly a feeling or people said stuff? Or is it a look or an assumption? Or, um, it's like an ignorance, I think is what it is ignorance for me because, like especially this is this is what has [00:17:00] changed for me becoming an educator, I've become way less cynical, which I think is really nice. Not that I was ever, like, really cynical. What about it? But it has made you less cynical, as in Well, change is possible kind of thing. Or, as in, um, you know, I'm trying to teach about homophobia and the ways that it happens, and I've realised, you know, because I really wanna. I really care about my job and I wanna do it like it's my passion. It's not just something I'm doing. [00:17:30] I'm doing it because I feel like it's going to make some difference. And I want it to be really effective. And you know, I don't I'm not trying to, like, make homophobic people feel bad. I'm trying to let homophobic people know that what they're doing is hurting people. And out of that, I, for some reason come to this point where I feel like all homophobia doesn't really come from a place of people trying to be mean. I [00:18:00] feel like it's coming from a place or many places, but all of them are just ignorant, like either the person being mean doesn't know any gay people. So they've got all these weird stereotypes that they're perpetuating and putting on to people, you know, and that's homophobia. But it's just because they don't know anybody they don't know any better or like I was, they're scared that they're gonna get bullied so they bully people, which just also comes from fear, you know, just like all these things that can be [00:18:30] really easily changed through compassion. I feel it just sounded really funny. It sounds really funny. It's not funny, but I just feel like giving compassion is the way to make things change. So I try and do that in the workshops. So what? So obviously homophobia you'd like to change in society? Are there other things that you can kind of see in society that you you'd like to change? I mean, no, you personally, but in general, society to shift [00:19:00] towards or well, yeah, I think that's where I was heading with it, like homophobia coming from ignorance. So an example of me feeling abnormal in places is if people don't know anything about being queer or even like being in being in an environment where I I'll say OK, like for an example, I was at a party on the weekend on Sunday or something. And talking to this person about some interesting stuff [00:19:30] and then I I said something like about a party with all women or something, and then they were like, Oh, OK, really? And then I was like, Well, yeah, I think we were talking about comfort levels or something, and I was like, Well, yeah, I I generally feel pretty fucking comfortable because I think there were heaps of people there that I didn't feel comfortable around. And we started talking about that for some reason. And then I was like, he was like, Well, what do you generally need to feel comfortable or something? And I thought that was weird anyway, [00:20:00] But then I was like, Well, probably if it's like a room of women, I'm probably gonna feel pretty comfortable. And then he was like, Oh, really? And then I was like, Well, yeah, I. I mean, I guess it depends on the woman, but yeah, probably. And then he was like, Oh, OK, what are the scenarios? And then I was like, Well, I feel really comfortable in queer environments. And then he was, like, queer. And then I was like, Yeah, well, like I'm queer. And then he was like, [00:20:30] You're queer as in Like he just did not understand why I was saying that I was queer, as in I was calling myself odd or something like that. Like he just didn't He didn't know it was a reclaimed tomb. No, he didn't. He didn't know anything about it at all. and feel like, I guess, having more compassion in some areas of my life. I have way less compassion in other areas now, like I can't be an educator [00:21:00] at work and educate in my personal private life. And then he and then he was like, and then I was like, Oh, sorry, man, I just can't explain this to you. Like I don't wanna have to explain this to you right now. And then he was like, Oh, OK. And what do I so for me, that's an example of homophobia. And when people hear that, I think that that is homophobic behaviour. They think I'm this fucking like, staunch [00:21:30] weirdo queer activist who just is pointing the homophobic finger at everybody who does anything that is anything slightly whatever. But I feel like if people were to take on the idea that homophobia comes from ignorance, that it's not necessarily people trying to be mean. But a lack of information is the same, just like with racism, if you're gonna say something and it's really racist, but you haven't even thought about it and you weren't trying to be mean. That doesn't mean what you did isn't racist and I feel [00:22:00] like it's the same with homophobia like, Yeah, he doesn't know any better And he's just trying to learn. But I don't want to fucking teach him like he should go learn himself. And I found it offensive, and I think it's homophobic. Those are not my grand next, Christian. So, do you see yourself working? I guess in the community sector, or doing kind of community work and education for a very, very long time, Or is there a bunch of other stuff you'd like to do? [00:22:30] Um, yeah. There's heaps of other stuff I want to do. Um, I think I'd Feminism is really important to me. Um, I think at some point in my life, I'd like to be known something similar to this. But in like the realm of feminism, like, more focused on feminism than queer activism. Um, is there a lot of crossover war? Yeah. Yeah, I feel like there is, but as well, like, I mean, I often talk [00:23:00] about sexism sneaky in the Queer workshop and also talk a lot about racism. Like I try and get it all in there, but there's only an hour, and the focus is queer stuff. So the topics are things like coming out levels of homophobia, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I feel like there could be a parallel workshop on sexism. Um, So what would you say to people who say, Oh, we've We've done feminism. It happened in the seventies and eighties, right? [00:23:30] Um, but that too large a question, I guess it's still relevant or it's still important to you. And what parts are important for you, right? Oh, yeah. I guess that crossover stuff you're talking about Yeah, like gender stereotypes, obviously are a big thing within feminism and queer activism. Um, yeah, similarly, with sexual orientation, I guess, like people feeling like they might need to be in a box. People not knowing heaps of options [00:24:00] People like, I think, an example of of all that kind of stuff, a sign that there needs to be work is when somebody finds a label and feels huge relief through a label. I think that's an example that there's inequality and that there needs to be work. So did you have a lot of relief in finding feminism? Oh, my gosh. I found so much relief. And where did you. Where did the biggest of my [00:24:30] life, like, more so than becoming queer, I think. I don't know. Yeah. No, I think I do. Yeah. Top five relief scenarios. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I've had a lot of relief scenarios, so I'm really into into labels at the moment, actually. What label are you? I don't know. All right. We'll bypass that one. So how did you When did you find feminism, or how did it find you or what was relieving about it? [00:25:00] Well, I took, um when I was studying in Dunedin, I studied gender studies, um, as one degree through a B a in psychology, um, as a bachelor of science and then did my honours in gender studies. So in terms of this job, it's also perfect. Like, that's a bit of background that I have for that as well as the volunteering. But I found feminism through gender studies. Yeah, I took, um because then seventh form I took all sciences and all maths and and [00:25:30] totally loved it and did really well. And then once I got to uni took the same basically in my first semester, but then wanted to check in some other papers, you know, Check them out. Um, so I took sociology, like one sociology paper and one gender paper. And I took the gender paper because it had the word sexuality and the title, and I thought, Oh, my God. There might be some lesbians in that class, And so you had ulterior motives, total ulterior motives, [00:26:00] and then it just totally made the path of my life. You know? So thus far, you know, like because you found the lesbians and because you took No, there weren't any lesbians in the class, I thought. But Well, it turns out one of my girlfriends after that was in my class, but yeah, no, I Well, I think there are a whole lot of queer women in that class, but I didn't notice, and nobody said they were a lesbian. Not like there's all the opportunities to do that when you're in [00:26:30] a lecture. So it was a big relief when you discovered feminism. Yeah, um, I think the main thing for me, actually, when I first came across feminism was about because II I mean, it might change, but I feel like I'm one of those women that are often portrayed in movies as really ditzy. Like I go [00:27:00] up at the end of my sentences. When I say stuff I get Go, I say totally, a lot. I zone out quite a bit when I'm trying to think about stuff. I like to wear certain things in certain ways sometimes, you know, and I think those kind of women are always slagged off in movies. And for me, feminism was about, like, being proud to be whoever you are. And I guess being proud to be a woman like, I find it hard to say, being proud to be a woman because I thinking [00:27:30] about gender at the moment. But, um, when I first came across feminism, it was amazing to feel really positive about being a woman. Yeah, so that was a kind of a big relief for you to kind of be like, Cool. I can I can be this way. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, definitely. And kind of just, um I mean, heaps of it was theoretical, too. Like I loved the mind trip that it took me on which, um [00:28:00] it was like the first alternative world that I came across, actually, feminism, like realising that you can have different lifestyles. I learned about that through feminism and realising that you could think about things in a different way, like Conceptualise life in a different way. And that language is constructed like I learned that the concept of deconstructing stuff through feminism. So, yeah, that was massive for me, because that's [00:28:30] what that that's how my mind works now. Like it kind of, um, formed my mind. Feminism formed my mind. Yeah, so it feels nice, Um, and as well, it kind of, um, learning to deconstruct stuff. I could deconstruct the fucked up shit that had happened in my life from a place of strength. Um, you know, not from a place of, like, victimhood or like angriness or I mean, obviously I love being angry, and I think that's really great. It's [00:29:00] a good step, but, um, not just taking shit and not just, um I don't know, letting people say stupid ideas that make you feel weird. Feminism allowed me to realise that I'm feeling weird when people do certain things and gave me the strength to speak up. Yeah, because I'd always been really outspoken, but I'd never had anything to back me up of why What people were doing was making me feel dumb. Yeah, well, [00:29:30] that's pretty cool. And also it just like it's totally constructed my analysis of the world like I can't like. I see everything through feminism now, Like when I see people interact. I look at the dynamics through that lens, Um, and just Yeah, like all kind of topics. I think for me, like whenever I'm learning about something new like I wrote recently, this thing about, um, the anarchist feminist to me that I went to that had a theme of decolonization, [00:30:00] um, anti racism. And I was writing up about the experience and saying How for me learning about that and having ongoing learning around that I'm always bringing it back to feminism? Like, whenever I'm trying to learn something new, I bring it back to my analysis of the world that I have through feminism and how, like, the the way the structure, how structures work. That, um, seem to inherently [00:30:30] at the moment, um, privileged men over women, uh, and applying it to other topics and other areas where people are underprivileged. So relating that to queer communities, That's a good transition. Um, how do you kind of see, I guess maybe we'll talk about Auckland or maybe New Zealand. How do you see queer communities and where we we're kind of at with that [00:31:00] stuff and where you'd like to see it pushed or hid, Or is it all just trembling along rather nicely and doing a happy job? Um, I love the queer community. Um, if I didn't, I guess I wouldn't be able to hang out in it all the time. Is it the people? Kind of, I guess in Auckland. Kind of bars and pubs and socialising and events or the whole lot. What that I love or like What's there? Is [00:31:30] it is it Do the people you meet through Rainbow Youth you really love that aspect or you love the whole lot of partying and there being queer visibility events or Well, I like, I think, Yeah, that concept of queer communities, like with the S on the end. I guess that is kind of relevant in terms of just like, you know, that homogenising of any kind of subculture. Um, like thinking I don't know, all [00:32:00] gay people are the same and they're not. So there's gonna be subcultures within the queer community. Um, and I don't like all of those aspects. Like, I don't know. I'm not into chess. Maybe there's a queer chess group or something. I'm not going to go to that. I mean, I like chess, but I don't have time for it at the moment. And, um, I'm not actually that good at it. And I probably have forgotten the rules, so I'm not going to go to that. [00:32:30] And I don't know, like in the part like in Dunedin. And I was on the queer soccer team, the queer women's soccer team, and had a few goes at the Quest softball, but wasn't that good. So, you know, like I'm into sport, but I'm not actually really into sport right now. At the moment, I like exercising, though, and bars and pubs as visible focal points a lot of the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it [00:33:00] is I I actually found in Dunedin. The Quest sports stuff was quite big, actually, and I don't know, see, I was doing the uni stuff that wasn't necessarily always bar focused, so that's cool. But that's all kind of well I mean, the sports stuff was more middle aged queer people. Um, the uni stuff is obviously more young people. Um, but yeah, there's a definitely a focus on, like, drinking and stuff like that. And [00:33:30] I find, I mean, I haven't travelled to heaps of queer cities around the world or anything, but yeah, I definitely get a sense that New Zealand's queer scene just because of the size of our population, you know, it isn't massive. And so the sub the sub scenes within the queer scene are like, really tiny, and so they haven't developed into, you know, really cranking scenes and all the different kind of, I don't know, genres of whatever you want [00:34:00] to do. Um, so but you enjoy them nonetheless. Totally. Yeah. And do you find them? Do you see them as really supportive of of young people and education and awareness and that kind of thing? Hm? At a youth, I think we've done a really good job there to create awesome events and social gatherings like weekly Multiple ones weekly, like there's six groups or something going at the moment where yeah, they get together. [00:34:30] They have heaps of fun. They start new groups If they want to have new groups like, I don't know, animation nights and stuff where they all learn how to animate and stuff like that. Like on paper, I mean, not their face or whatever. I don't know, But, um so yeah, they do heaps of fun stuff, and I think they totally love it. I don't go to any of the groups as a participant, but they all seem to be super into it. Make really good friendships. The group for under Eighteens. There's like 40 members in that group [00:35:00] now, and that's just going to get bigger because all these kids are coming out of high school now, which is so cool. Um, yeah, so I feel like there's a focus there away from alcohol, but I feel like that's pretty unique. Um, having Reed, you here in Auckland, Um, the the bar scene like, Yeah, that's kind of what I was meaning with the sub scenes. Like I do like going like because the candy bar up here is just open, and it's like a woman's a queer woman's bar, like for like, [00:35:30] it wasn't something like for women, but for everybody or some shit. I don't know, like anybody can go, but it's woman focused and yeah, like I love being around. I love being in, like, more woman focused spaces, um, with like, but the thing I like. Well, like I like gender variant in those spaces. But I like the vibe of there being heaps of queer women all there, [00:36:00] and that's really exciting. So I love going to candy. When? When? I don't know when. There's certain things on that I like again. I'm not going to go there every night that it's open because it's open, like four nights a week, which is pretty sweet for a queer woman's bath. Like in my mind. That's pretty amazing, because we don't have that. I don't think we even have a queer bar in Dunedin. But, um, I'm like, I only go when I know who's playing and what kind of music he is gonna play, because I [00:36:30] I guess I'm kind of snobby with my music. Maybe I don't know, but like there's heaps of music I don't like, and I'm not just going to go to a gay woman's bar and listen to shit music, and I don't know, like, just be there because it's queer and it's for women like I'm not going to do that. But if there's if there's really wicked music and I'm going to have a good night, then I love it that that space exists. Yeah, but I feel like, Yeah, I feel like it's exciting [00:37:00] the idea of those scenes developing into more specific scenes so that you can actually go to something where more parts of yourself are going to be acknowledged and present, as opposed to just your sexuality being there. Yeah, cool. Thanks, Priscilla.
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