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My name is Frankie, and honestly, it's It's awesome. I've This is my first time coming to an event like this, and I've just found it so a lot more diverse than I thought it would be, You know, like the stores that are here are not just sort of specific to causes that you wouldn't necessarily associate with pride or just being gay. So it's really cool to see all that. So prior to coming here and it's your first time. What did you kind of think it would be? Um, well, you see a lot of stuff online, so you kind of have an expectation anyway. And you see, like a lot of rainbows [00:00:30] and a lot of people just being all like, happy and like, inclusive and gay together. And it is that. But it's just it's It's one thing to see it on, you know, like on a screen, you know, as you scrolling through instagram or Snapchat or whatever. And it's thing to be here and just to see everyone and see just everything for yourself, you know, like there's not just, you know, there's not just like a gay couple there and a lesbian couple there. There's like people with their Children and their dogs. And there's people who are here to represent their businesses because, like, they genuinely care, it's [00:01:00] sort of serene in a way, like, you know, like, you go from out. You know, like, if you're anywhere else, you might necessarily be slightly on edge about the fact that you know, I'm lucky because most people think my girlfriend is a boy, so we don't necessarily get any kind of judgement about being a homosexual couple. But here you're just you're like, hell, yeah, let's be as gay as we can be because we can be, you know? Yeah. Pretty interested that you're using with, like, homosexual and gay. What is this? [00:01:30] The kind of terminology that you'd use to describe yourself and what other kind of words are there out there? Um well, I suppose it's a bit different because I've got, like, an honours degree in gender identity and that sort of thing. Um, I use whatever terms I think I'm comfortable with, So I mean, if somebody else was to say, like myself and my girlfriend are a faggot, if it's my gay little brother saying that that's fine, because I know that he means it out of love. And it's like affection. And there's no negative association there. [00:02:00] But for us, I think we just use any words that are there to describe us because you know what? This is our identity, and I'm happy to be there because I'm happy to be with her. Yeah, and I guess kind of identities change and grow and and yeah, it does. And I think with all the kind of changing identities that are there, it's, I don't know, maybe important, to hold on to the terminology. But also, you know, there's the whole stereotypical cliche. Let's reclaim it. You know, let's reclaim being gay. Let's reclaim being, you [00:02:30] know, like with like Homo couples, you know? And we're just like, you know, we'll honestly sit at home and just be, like, so happy to be lesbian, you know? But it's Yeah. I mean, it's changing, but everything and everyone is changing. And that's just who we are so like in this moment in time, it's fine. So what are some of the, um, things that are happening in New Zealand that need to be changed in terms of Rainbow Rainbow Communities. Well, I think that's tricky to say, because I think everybody's exposure is different and everyone's framework of knowledge is different. Maybe [00:03:00] that's the problem. Maybe it is the problem that there, everything seems, may maybe even too over the top for, you know, like when I first moved to Wellington seven years, nine years ago, when I was first, like kind of coming to the idea like coming to grips with my own identity, I thought it all seemed I felt that I wasn't gay enough to participate. You know what I mean? I don't know if that's if anybody else feels like that, but maybe there's [00:03:30] something there in between. So somebody doesn't have to go there and feel like they have to, you know, go to rallies and go to pride events. But maybe they can just just somewhere where it's just OK to be gay, you know, and just somewhere to just to be exactly exactly so. And of course, society is becoming a lot more inclusive where you can do that a lot more easily especially, you know, with the law reforms and everything like that. But I think that was for me personally, that was my biggest problem. Um and [00:04:00] then kind of, you know, like letting my friends know it was just like, Well, it was easy for me because my friends knew before I did, um, but I Yeah, I, I don't know. I think so. And sometimes it seems really intense. And sometimes it seems like it doesn't touch anybody else that isn't looking for it. So therefore, because they're not looking for it, it just seems like this, like, distant gay thing. And it seems [00:04:30] inaccessible. And so therefore, they are unable to understand that it's just, like just people that love each other. And that's it. Yeah, jumping ahead. 30 years. What is your kind of ideal world? What? What do you think? How? How should New Zealand be in 30 years time in 30 years time? Um wow. How do you I don't know. Like, how do you even fathom something that's so completely ideal? My, the thing that I've always stood by is just like do what [00:05:00] you want as long as you're not hurting yourself or somebody else. And I think that that should go for everyone. You know, like love, who you want Be who you want, as long as you don't hurt yourself. As long as you don't hurt somebody else, then there should be no problem there. Yeah.
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