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So I'm here with Prue Hyman who has stuff to do with lesbian radio. Did you help start it, or how did you get involved in it? Uh, I didn't really help start it. Although I did the occasional programme from pretty early on. Um, it's been going a really long time. And, um, I got I did. Alison Laurie and Linda Evans were two of the founding group, and for a while they did the whole thing themselves for quite a number of years, which is a major commitment. And then if they went off overseas or anything, [00:00:30] I used to do the odd programme to fill in for them. And occasionally I was interviewed on it as well myself and, uh then it got to the point quite, very sensibly and that it was too much for them to do it on their own anymore, and they'd had done their time. And then there've been a lot of different collectives since then. And, um, a group of larger numbers have always been involved after that. But there's always been one major coordinator person, and there have been several of those since Alison and Linda. But I'm the last and I've been going as a coordinator. I was [00:01:00] trying to work out. I can't remember exactly when I started, but nearly 10 years anyway, I've been coordinating it. Um, that's probably an exaggeration. Maybe it's seven, but anyway, it's quite a long time. The person before me was Bronwyn Dean, who sadly died about three years ago. She still was an occasional broadcaster right up till till her death. But she was the one that persuaded me to take over from her. I think think we were partners at the time or we just stopped being partners, but she just had enough of being the main coordinator. And so, uh, I took over, and I seem to be landed. [00:01:30] Ever since I I've been making noises in the last year or two that, you know, I'm, uh, 67 now, and I mean, I'm still very energetic and quite happy doing it, but one's aware that you're broadcasting to hoping to broadcast to a huge range of lesbians and a lot younger than me, and that maybe it was time for one of the younger ones to take over. But nobody seems keen at the moment. I've got some people who do some of the tasks which helps a lot. When did um, Alison, Laurie and Linda even start lesbian? You asked me that, and I never [00:02:00] I never got around to looking it up. We we were lesbian. Radio started and it wasn't just them. Actually, at the very start, there was a group of several and I think people like Robin Shave, Maxine Gunderson, and Tiggy and Stone were all involved too. But they weren't involved for as long, and and it was Linda and Allison that did the long stint. They were almost from the start of access radio in Wellington, which is coming up for about 30 years. Um and, uh, it it it's, um so it's something like that. It was very [00:02:30] early on, um, in in late seventies, early eighties. And, um uh, when access radio started, it was actually. And when lesbian radio started, it was actually an offshoot of the women's zone programme. There was a woman's own programme which ran weekly, and it was given over to lesbians for one out of four weeks or something like that, with quite a struggle to get that in the usual sort of a way that happens with lesbian organisations. And um, that was OK for a while. And [00:03:00] then this group of people thought, Heck, we can manage our own programme and go every week, not once every four weeks. So that was after about probably a year or so of um, being part of the women's own programme. We started on our own and of course, women's own is long gone and lesbian radio has broadcast week in week out without fail, usually going live, which is quite unusual. Access radio. Only a small proportion of the programmes go live rather than prerecording, particularly weekend ones. Um uh, we've [00:03:30] gone every week ever since and I think we've only gone dark. I think maybe once somebody didn't turn up and a few times their transmitter has been down. But basically we've gone every week since then, which is a pretty big achievement, it seems to me, and it's an hour, of course, and it's on Sundays from 10 till 11 and we go live and you have to remember all sorts of things. Like this week. I've reminded the people that are on that the clocks go back, go forward an hour, so they've got to get there an hour earlier. It's all sorts of things you have to remember with with radio. [00:04:00] So there we go. So it was kind of late seventies, early eighties, around around the what was the climate like then? And was the climate then? Was that the need or the Was that the drive to set up lesbian radio, or was it just a group of lesbians like, Oh, I think the drive was very political and awareness. And, um, and activism. Um, I think you know the whole climate around that time with, um, um, homosexual law reform and, uh, human rights. And, you know, um, and [00:04:30] lesbian political action had been going for a while with, um, things like, uh um the magazine Circle, which had been going since the early seventies, but, uh, 73. I think that started. But of course, it wasn't access radio community radio then, but, um, yeah, so it was. It was heavily an activism thing, but al and also an outreach thing, Um, people who were questioning their coming out. It was another source apart from coming out groups where before you declare [00:05:00] yourself, you can listen and and, um and and see what lesbians are doing and what they're saying. And they're not particularly scary. But they are activists, and a lot of a lot of lesbians then were feminist as well, which some still are not all. And so there was all that going on, and I think from the beginning that was a main motivation. But plus, of course, just publicising all the events that were on in Wellington. We still do that. There's probably less need for us to do that anymore in the sense that, um, of course, there's the websites. Ellen runs [00:05:30] the website. She's also a member of our collective, and there's lots and lots of email groups and so on and so forth. So there's lots of ways and, uh, social networking and Twitter and Facebook and everything. There are lots of ways you can find out what's going on, and I tend to like to do a programme when I'm on. That's very full of of, um, real action of interviews and and politics and, uh, some music. I haven't mentioned music yet. I'll come back to that, um so I don't spend very long on the notices. I tend to do the things that are very urgent, [00:06:00] that are coming up the next week or two and the things that go on every week. I say go to wellington dot lisby do and you can find all those there, you know, because it's a waste of time duplicating that. So, um, but we have a very varied sort of content. Everybody does the notices either to greater or lesser extent, everybody plays some music. Um, and, uh, apart from that, it's entirely up to the individual presenters as to, um, what sort of range of things they cover amongst [00:06:30] lesbian stuff. And, um um, yeah, so and I think that's very healthy. You know, we try and have a big range of presenters who will appeal to different bits of the community. We don't do terribly well about, um, the range of ethnicity. We're mostly pakeha. We've had some, um, Asian presenters and Maori presenters in Pacific, but not very many. And, um, busy with other things as well. It's very reasonable, and we try and get a range of ages, and we try [00:07:00] and get a range of interests, um, in lesbian, different lesbian activities so, and we're always open to new presenters. I'm always keen to get them. They can always contact me. And there's stuff about that on the website. Um, anyone listening to this, who's who's keen? Get in touch. We've had some quite new presenters lately. There's a a lesbian feminist, queer book group, and two of their people are now on board as techies because that's the other big thing. We also have to run the technical side ourselves. Now. We didn't used to do that. Access [00:07:30] used to provide a technician, and, um, and then you could choose whether you did or didn't, um, provide a technician yourself. And, um, and we went on having it provided because for such a range of presenters, it's and you only get a turn every eight or weeks or something. It's quite hard to remember exactly everything on the exactly, and it's quite hard to do both, particularly the people that go on their own. If there's two of you, it's not quite difficult. So we preferred to have a a techie [00:08:00] provided, and we paid a little bit extra in order to do that. Not much, Um, because you have to pay a feta to be on air. And, um then, um suddenly we discovered we were the only programme left for the techie provider. And I didn't realise. And they said this your time is numbered. We were very lucky for a while. Um, a woman called, um, who was part of the volunteer techie things for access generally was [00:08:30] also sort of very lesbian friendly. Um, I'm not sure whether she identified but the lesbian, and she was happy to become our our techie and used to come in every week, which was a heck of a commitment. And then she was going away and another lesbian called Marilyn, who was, um, who was also a volunteer for access. Uh, was prepared to do most weeks. And she did it for a while and also trained up some others. Some of our own presenters trained a little bit to do it, and we've found new. We started appealing for techies as well. [00:09:00] And now I've got a roster which has something like 11 or 12 lots of presenters, um, either in individuals or peers, um, fewer in, uh, taking time out and may come back and so on and so forth. But it's about that many. And we've got 66 tickets now on our roster who take turns. So we're we're not too badly off, but we're always willing to have more and people come and go for good reasons. We've had a lot of babies recently that used not to be the beginnings of lesbian radio. That wasn't a common reason to be going disappearing. But [00:09:30] it is now, and, um, and one or two have died, sadly. And, um so people come and go and others have things happen in their lives that they don't want to do it anymore or get fed up with it. And that's fair enough. But But we're very vibrant. We go, we go every week, as I say, and, um, we go live 10 to 11 on Sundays, even on over the Christmas period when access is shut, because we've got our gadgets to get in and there we go And, um, that's basically the way it works. You said that when lesbian radio [00:10:00] got a week out of four, was that right? From woman's zone? Um, that was kind of difficult. Was there controversy around there being lesbian radio Or was it? I don't think I don't want that. They didn't want to give up one of the weeks. I don't think it's been that much of a problem. Um, Alison would who was around, you know, involved in that at the time, and Linda would would know more about it. I wasn't involved in the politics around that. I think it took a bit of getting it as always, you know, from the Lavender Menace they used to more [00:10:30] of an American expression, but, you know, um, fighting for your space for this stuff. But, um I know I think it was OK, But then, you know, when we got the confidence that we could do it every week, that was that was even better. And, uh, there we go and I think lesbian politics, you know. So I mean, feminist politics is still alive, but an awful lot of organisations have gone. And I mean, a lot of lesbian organisations have gone too with the um I think the big thing about lesbian radio is that you get the discussion and the interviews and that you can't get in any of the the [00:11:00] other media where you can get a bit of discussion on Facebook or whatever, but but you get that live, whereas we haven't got, for example, a Wellington lesbian newsletter anymore. We've had lots of them over the years. There's one in Auckland. There aren't many around where you can get those sorts of things. So, uh, that's its main function, as far as I'm concerned is for for for the politics and for outreach, to new lesbians and lesbians coming to Wellington for the first time, all that sort of thing. And of course, now it's beyond, because you can now listen to it on the Web. Any [00:11:30] time. That's only developed the last two or three years where, UM, access, uh, have put the podcast up on the Web and it stays up for. It goes up a few days after, and it stays up for about five or six weeks. They have five or six up at a time, so you can listen to those and beyond that, those podcasts and in the old days we used to take the programme are all available practically the whole lot. I think there are a few missing, but most of them have gone to the Lisbon and Gay Archives. New Zealand. So And there's a, um, a project [00:12:00] on at the moment that I think has just got funding from the Arthur Armstrong Trust and Trust. And I should say a bit more about them in a moment, Um, where some of them are going to be put into better form. The old tapes are going which don't last forever are going to be put on to a better electronic form. So, um, there'll be a lot of the programmes will be there for posterity and future researchers, future lesbians to to listen to which, which will reflect the changing mores of lesbian society, which in community culture, which is great. Um, [00:12:30] I should pay a tribute at this point to the Armstrong and a charitable trust for lesbians who, uh, who fund us. Um, they've also funded this research project this project to say, to put more programmes on in a better electronic form, but they fund us every week. We pay something like, um, just under $50 a week as our access fee, and, um, and they fund that basic fee and a small annual fee. Um, in the old days, it was the dude's dances. Um, I think when when it first began, there wasn't [00:13:00] a fee. But once the fee came in, it, um you have enough. It takes enough energy to do the programme and and the the preparation for it without having to do all the fundraising. So our group is very grateful that we don't have to fundraise the whole of that ourselves. We usually have one fundraising thing at least a year, and I think we're we're doing a raffle at the next Pines dance, and, um, sometimes we raise a little bit of the atmosphere thing or something like that. But we don't have to do most of the fundraising ourselves, which is terrific. What [00:13:30] have been some of your, I guess Favourite, um, discussions or interviews? Oh, gosh, it's really difficult. Um, I love, you know, publicising what's about to happen. So things like, Oh, the film festivals each year we always give that a big plug lesbian gay film festival with them and talk to the, uh, the people who've been choosing the lesbian films for that. I like it when we, uh, publicise. We're in the middle of publicising the Asia Pacific Out games for next March [00:14:00] and the games, the conference, the culture, all that sort of thing. I think it's really good when you can give that a lot of ear plug, and but, um, but also some of the more political stuff we've done interviews with people overseas sometimes don't do an awful lot live. But we've got a new, very dynamic presenter of, um, US Origins. Um, who's a singer songwriter called Paula? And, um, she's been in festivals and things in in the States before here, and she's got Nicaraguan background as well. And she [00:14:30] she's done one or two things with America Live and you can do it. But it's a little expensive, but we used to. If people were travelled overseas, they'd often do interviews and bring them back. Um, with all sorts of people, Um, there's been political figures overseas. Those are always good and all the just something. The discussions in New Zealand when we've got stuff around Civil Union Bill and and you know and and we tend to do the the more vibrant arguments around that I mean, everybody sort of assumes that we have to lesbian equal rights means you want marriage first. Civil Union second. [00:15:00] But there's quite a a lot of lesbian feminists who think, Why do we want to join? Um, an institution with, you know, with which feminists have critiqued for years, so reflecting all those bits of politics, not selling a line. But every in every presenter is allowed to give their own views, but also try and I'd like to interview people who have different views. Um, we have to be careful with national politics, um, before immediately before elections and things like that, you're not allowed, you know, there are access rules, and you're there [00:15:30] are also rules about, you know, um, defamation of things. So you've got to take care like any other broadcaster, even though you're not a professional. But certainly I think the more controversy and and, you know, real discussion, you get going the better. Um, but other people will just do, you know, more social things, and, um and that's fine, too. Uh, as Esme is one of our long standing presenters, and she often does interviews like out in the square with all sorts of people that are that are doing their own stores there [00:16:00] and that's that's always nice. So everybody, everybody differs a bit about what they want to do, But, uh, but they're all, um I think I think people, if they listen to long ranges of programmes, they'd find some really interesting things. I think my favourite ever programme was for me was that I did myself was before I was ever even a coordinator. I'm Jewish by origin. I don't regard myself as religiously Jewish, but I'm Jewish culture and history and so on. And, um, Tilly Lloyd, who runs Unity Shop um and, um she [00:16:30] had a bit of involvement with the programme, Not a great deal, but, uh, she persuaded me that I to to, um to do a programme about being, um Jewish in the lesbian and feminist communities and lesbian and feminist in the Jewish communities and what that was like and I had great fun doing that programme. And I also interviewed, uh, did an interview with the group in Auckland who are, um, who were Jewish feminists, and a large number of them were lesbians who were involved [00:17:00] with fighting for Maori sovereignty and talking about links between being outsider groups. You know, if you like, and they had a big push. That was that all. That was very interesting stuff. So there's been a lot of a lot of good memories from doing the doing. The lesbian programme has the I. I'd say readership, but I guess you don't really read. Has it changed much over the years? Or is it hard to say, Well, one of the sad things is that it's very hard to know who's listening. Um, and [00:17:30] you know, sometimes you're scared that you're only talking to yourself and the other presenters, most of whom you know, are interested in listening. Um, Chris Walsh is a terrific another terrific, um, stalwart of the programme. She's not on at the moment. She's well known for her activism over breast cancer, and she she and her partner both have had breast cancer, and she does. She got too busy with all that to stay on the programme for, but she's been on for many years, and when she did this, I'm not sure whether it was part of a degree. But she certainly did do a degree and and she also did this research [00:18:00] project. She did a research project on Alison ship at one stage and and, um quite and you know, that was interesting and helpful for knowing what people wanted. And, um but that's quite a long way back now. These days, it's very hard to know. Um, one thing you can look at is the number of hits on the website for not the and it's much easier now that you can do it. Other day. I'm sure we've lost some listeners who do it on the Web instead, which is absolutely fine. And but we've gained and at one point last year we were the second highest access radio [00:18:30] programme for a number of hits to to Wellington Community, which was the broadest. And I thought that was absolutely terrific and there were hits from all over the world from Canada, Japan, Britain, states all over as well as a lot of New Zealand ones. And we hope that they're all genuine hits are not pervs. Certainly I think most of them were probably are are genuine and that was exciting, but and you get you get informal feedback. You know, when you've been on yourself, somebody will say, Oh, I heard that this particular bit was good. And but unless we do another [00:19:00] solid piece of research it it's very hard to know. But I think there is a real need for it, particularly given as I say, that we don't have much else for discussing things we have. We have the other ways of finding out what's going on, but I think it. I hope there's still a need Britain. And I hope is, is that, uh we'll go on finding people that want to do it and that the trust will go on funding it. Bronwyn, who I mentioned before who was a previous coordinator, um, left quite a lot of money to the art Armstrong and Arthur Trust, um, [00:19:30] not conditional on the radio, but certainly made clear that the radio was one of the big, big things that was in her heart. And she and it was that that they've earmarked that interest from that bit to do this project of putting more programmes, um, electronically and so hopefully the As long as we we're going and as long as as long as the community feel a need for it, we'll, um we'll keep going. Of course, media changes. Maybe it'll get to the point where radio, you know, the electronic stuff completely beats radio. But [00:20:00] I don't think that's in in in my lifetime anyway, so I hope we'll be able to keep going for a long time. Yeah, it's quite different when you can kind of hear something. I yeah, I think it's really different medium being able to hear stuff, not just see moving pictures and and that kind of thing. And I think these interviews are also useful. I mean, we do more hearing on the computer than we used to. Yeah, I think that's really interesting because someone was telling me about, um When I guess radio shows or whatever can go on [00:20:30] the Internet, they have a longer tail. I don't know what a tail is, but yeah, that because they stay online, you don't have to listen live and you can catch up on it later. And so there's listeners from all over the world. You've said I don't know whether they're regulars, but they they hit it now and then, at least. Yeah, which is quite exciting. And, um uh, for example, in TMLN, the, uh, Auckland newsletter carries an ad for it. with the usually with the website says to remind people up there. And I'm always telling people, you [00:21:00] know, that, Um um, to remember to remember that they can get it on the web and, uh, try and get publicity for it that way. We had schedule we had, um how do you call it? Leaflets at the out in the square to do that where we do the raffle at the next pine dance. We'll have a leaflet advertising out and giving the website as well. And, you know, just trying to get the word out amongst new and younger lesbians who may not have heard of it, you know, Are you aware of other lesbian radio shows around the world? [00:21:30] They certainly used to be lots. Um, but I don't think there are that many. Christchurch used to have one. I think that one's gone. I'm not sure. Um, funnily enough, we had a request from the Southland access radio just this last week. Could they replay our one because the manager there who I don't know, even know she's lesbian, but she hasn't managed. She tried to get a lesbian radio show going and out and didn't manage it, Could she use ours? And I've just emailed around our collective to say I can't see any reason why not anybody bothered [00:22:00] And, um and I'm sure we'll say yes. And I think, you know, I thought to myself, Why is she bothering? Because it's on the Web, they can get it. But on the other hand, if somebody is used to listening to 1000 access, they may hit it in a way they wouldn't hit it, you know, on the Web. So not everybody has Internet access that who can forget that? We think that everyone's got that's true too. But also, people use different sources for finding things, and they might find it that way when they wouldn't find it. You know, the other way and that sort of thing. So, um [00:22:30] um, I think I'm sure there are still other other programmes around the world, but I think it's interesting the way from my experience, New Zealand sort of keeps the L word very prominent. Um whereas an awful lot of things get subsumed into queer soup or into feminist. Um, in a lot of places, I mean, even the you think in America, the Michigan Women's Music Festival. It's a women's music festival. It's mainly lesbian. But, you know, what do you think that is? What do you think? God, [00:23:00] I'm not. I'm not a the enough to know, but I think I think out here we've been very staunch about lesbian politics. I mean, there are others. Of course, there are a lot of younger women who don't want to use the lesbian word. Who, Who Who, Uh, who would rather regard them as use the word just so they don't want to use the feminist word but want equality, you know? So I think things history change, things change. But I think there are at least, um, a lot of lesbians [00:23:30] in New Zealand who want to keep lesbian politics alive, uh, whether the younger generation will want to as well. But we've got quite a few younger women on our collective and I think on the library collective and so on and and and, uh so there are There are quite still some younger women who want to use the word lesbian and, um, who do identify that way politically and OK, we all have fluid changing identities and all that stuff, But nevertheless, there are some of whom that identity is an important one. And, um, not only 67 year olds like me, some [00:24:00] younger women have you always been really vocal. Have you always done kind of public speaking? And is that why lesbian radio interests you or? Well, I am professionally an academic. And, you know, if you're used to talking in 50 minute bites anyway, like the sound of your own voice, good training and right back in my university days in England, because I, uh I spent my 1st 25 years in England. I was involved when I was at university in Oxford. And it was while I was there, that, um uh we fought. I was [00:24:30] a feminist back then. I was only 18. 19, but I, I don't know what I'd call myself one there, because in the early sixties, you know, second wave wasn't wasn't that much going, but I certainly believe in quality. And, um, women couldn't get into the Oxford Union. Remember the Oxford Union? That's the thing. Where David Long famous debate. It's about uranium, you know, they were not admitted. Women were not admitted to the Oxford Union. It was a male only club. It wasn't like a student union that you had your sort of student unions within [00:25:00] your college. But this was the Oxford Union, which was a dictating club and a you know, a nice gentleman's club within the university. But it was within the within a university in a coed university, and women were not admitted. And so we fought for it and we got in while I was there. And so people said, You have to put your money where your mouth is and join, and you better start speaking. So they make a fuss about it when you try to join. Or were they kind of like, Oh, yeah, it is a bit old school that we don't. We we had to fight for it, but we won. And, um and [00:25:30] so that was about 1963 or something. And, um, I was about 20 a young undergraduate, And then I started making speeches at the Oxford Union, which is one of the most frightening places you could ever do. If you can speak at the Oxford Union when to that whole big crowd, when you get one of the big paper speeches. Um, then you can speak anywhere. And, uh, I, um Hitler, Why was it scary? Because it's such a big kind of prestigious, just a very big audience. [00:26:00] Very critical. No, no, nothing. Nothing. Nobody would be un or lady like that, but no, but it was just a a pretty, a pretty daunting audience. And I think after that I could speak anywhere. So I don't find talking on the radio. It's difficult. I sometimes talk a bit too fast because I've always got too much to say. I've been criticised for that in lecture as well, and I'm aware of it. I always want to put more into the 50 minutes or the the the radio programme than it's time for, but I've never had any trouble with it. It's sort of interesting [00:26:30] with, you know, we take all comers who want who have got the confidence to be on air here. We're happy to have them. Um um, but you do have some worries with some people's voices being better than others for radio and some people I find and I'm certainly not mentioning names and are some people absolutely terrific, and some people have wonderful content, but not that terrific voices. And some people have terrific voices, but I wish they have a little bit more content. And [00:27:00] many of our broadcasters are terrific at both, but that, you know. But one doesn't want to discourage people being being on air. And, um, so we tend to take it. We've had controversies over the years. That's probably an interesting thing for this about because of lesbian culture and and what is lesbian changing. There've been hard liners who say, for example, that we should absolutely only have lesbian voices and lesbian music. What is lesbian music you know by for about We always have those [00:27:30] problems with lesbian how we define things, But often with women musicians, you're not 100% certain, um, whether they're lesbian or not, and then some come out as lesbians on. So we've tended to get. As you know, culture has changed and, as I say, fluid identities and so on. What is lesbian? Um, not everybody, even on the collective, necessarily uses the lesbian word. Um, I think we've got by people who would identify as bisexual, probably on the collective, and we just I just don't want to push these things if they're happy being on lesbian [00:28:00] community radio, and that's what it is. Um, that tends to be fine. But controversy about whether we've interviewed we put we do publicity about all sorts of queer events. I mean, you know, the fact is a lesbian gay film festival or Pacific Games. We concentrate more on the lesbian aspects, but we've had gay men's voices where they're covering gay, and there's been issues on the programme being interviewed. We've had trans some transgender. There's always been issues in lesbian politics about, um, [00:28:30] male to female transgender people and whether they can be lesbians. I don't I try and avoid that controversy if I can, But, um, we haven't I don't think we've had a transgender member of the collective. We certainly had transgender people interviewed. But, um, you know these things, you We're not a very formal organisation, either. I should say we we run a bank account and I'm very careful with the money and, um, we have a collective meeting, usually about three or four times a year after a programme. Anybody who feels like coming, you know, [00:29:00] we give it publicity and we say we'll talk about the programme, meet each other because people go in one week. They don't necessarily see the new members of the collective. So we try and get together three or four times a year. But we're not a very formal organisation. We don't have formal policies, and we we evolve and it's worked. Um, at times sometimes think, Oh, maybe we ought to be more formal and then who wants to? You know, people want to go and make their programmes. That's the main thing. Has it always been this kind of, I guess, controversy around [00:29:30] identity and labels and says women and trans woman that kind of stuff or has it only been the last few years or Well, I think it was probably worse earlier on, in the sense that you know there was. I remember. I mean, people talk about the lesbian feminist late seventies eighties as being as lesbian feminist, being rigid and, you know, wearing overalls, O'Neal or whatever and being really anti boy Children and so on and so forth. And I think some people really did [00:30:00] have that experience. I think some, um, lesbians who who had boy Children really did have problems. I. I won't run down that experience at all, but I sometimes get a bit a bit upset about it, that it gets exaggerated and that people who weren't around at the time, you know, criticised the lesbian feminists of the seventies and eighties when they were doing a really big job and it was really hard to come out. And they were had to be much braver to be out as a lesbian in those days than you do now. So I think. But I think in some ways the controversy more than [00:30:30] when you know people would come. I don't know how much it emerged on the radio, but people would come to lesbian dances and somebody would say, Oh, she's not really a lesbian She's still living at home with her husband and things like that, You know, I think that was worse then, probably than it is now. I think they're probably a bit more tolerant and easy going, and some people think there's losses in that in that we aren't fighting enough, Um, the political battles. Now we may not have quite as bad political battles as we did as lesbians. But most Les lesbian feminist also had an awareness on race and class [00:31:00] issues. And a lot of you know, those are still as active and important. And poverty and and treatment of solar soul, mothers and and Maori and Pacific issues are as important as ever. And, um, I think lesbian feminist should be on the barricades to dealing with them all as much as ever. So I don't think we want to lose the politics fantastic. And how would we listen to you? Well, what days and et cetera, et cetera. Sunday mornings 10 to 11 on. [00:31:30] Um uh, it's only on AM 783 AM radio access and that's the live one. And then, um, if you go, if you want to listen on the Web, you can either go to the Wellington lesbian website wellington dot lesbian dot net dot NZ. And there's a connection there to access radio and direct to the Lesbian Community Programme. Or you can go to the access radio site, which is dead easy to find, and, uh, they have a list of all their programmes and you [00:32:00] just look for lesbian community and you find them there. Brilliant. Thank you very much, Prue, for taking the time and talking with us. Pleasure enjoyed it.
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