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So you know my name? I'm Sandra Dixon, and I'm going to talk today about outing violence, which is a, um we're not even a year old. So, um, we're gonna be talking about what we've done and why we did it. Um, but I kind of I guess I want to, um, be really clear that we're at the beginning of a journey around this, as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, um, and that this is just the start and that that there's a lot to do, I think, um so to give you a little bit of an idea about why I [00:00:30] think I can talk about this. Um, I've been working in family and sexual violence for more than two decades. Um, and I identify strongly as a feminist and working in those areas. I completely understand why they're so focused on men's violence against women. And I have always felt like there was a gap around our communities and what I knew had happened in our communities. And what I know happens in our communities. And my own experiences is like you and Marie. My first relationship with [00:01:00] a woman was, um, abusive, and I had no language for that for for probably 10 years after I'd been working on the refuge movement. Um, so in in those two odd decades in, um, in those areas, I have been able to do some stuff around violence in our communities. Um, I managed a safe house in London for a couple of years, which was for women escaping violence in same sex relationships. Um, I've done a bit of stuff in Wellington with young people identifying [00:01:30] under the rainbow, um, and how we build healthy relationships. But at the beginning of last year, I found myself having left a job not being sure what I wanted to do next. And I was like, Do you know what? This is actually what I want to do next. So let's try and make it happen. Um, which is kind of exciting, really. So I kind of want to share with you who's been part of the conversation. Um, when I started wandering around the country and talking to people about whether or not this was a good idea, I went to a whole bunch of people [00:02:00] that were already doing violence prevention type stuff, or I'd already had some kind of relationship with and asked them if they'd be interested in being part of it. And and nearly everyone, if not everyone said yes to that. So we've got an advisory group of people that are really connected in, um a bunch of different ways in our communities that are part of what we're doing. Um, and I'm just gonna share their beautiful faces with you. So this is a from the New Zealand prostitutes' collective. This is Elizabeth from Trust. [00:02:30] This is from box events, Oceania. This is Cassie from Evolve Box Event So and outer spaces. This is from which is a youth based organisation in Auckland. This is Rachel from National network, ending sexual violence together from the caucus of that organisation. That's a bad photo of me. This is San Pipe from [00:03:00] the Maori caucus of te national network, ending sexual violence together. This is the gorgeous tabby before us. This is Trevor, who works at outline in, um in Auckland. Outline NZ Duncan Matthews from Rainbow Youth Sam Orchard, whose gorgeous work is all over our website. And you can see some of the fact sheets from our website over there. Um, comic genius basically [00:03:30] COC from Village Collective in Auckland and Tamara Anderson from originally the project and then later Pacific futures in Auckland. So we had a whole bunch of really, um, people that were really well connected into our communities in a whole bunch of different ways, saying, Yeah, we want to be part of this project and we want to work on it together, which, um, for me was tremendously exciting. And also, I think, um, I just want to give a shout out to our young people because, boy, were they ready to have this conversation, every single youth [00:04:00] organisation I spoke to were like, Yeah, we'll be on board with this. Um, I think that tells us something, Really? It's good. It's a good thing. Yeah, So I want to share some of the language I'm gonna be using today. We use Rainbow, and I know it's a contested term, and I know not everyone likes it, and we use it because some of the feedback from our Pacifica members was that they wanted a word that was not going to, um, be reducible down to lesbian gay transgender. You know, our English words. They wanted to be able to see their [00:04:30] identities under our under our rainbow. Um, and we wanted we wanted a collective term, though that wasn't going to be listing all our identities because these are all our identities here in New Zealand. Now that I'm aware of, there's probably more. So I'm gonna be using Rainbow today, um, to talk about everyone who identifies under the sex, sexuality and gender diverse umbrellas. OK, and I kind of want to just talk about our name a little bit. So was gifted to us from [00:05:00] Elizabeth in conversation she held with in Gisborne. Um, it's a traditional Maori phrase. Has anyone heard it? One knows what it means. And I'm looking at you. No, OK, it's a, um What it means is to cultivate peace. So is the, um, the god of cultivation. And also the God of peace is about cultivating peace inside our rainbow communities. And a few [00:05:30] reasons why we decided that was the name we wanted to use. Um, the first is that we wanted to be, you know, very clearly stating that we were an organisation or a group of people that was valuing here in New Zealand. We wanted to be making it very clear that, um that we weren't just talking about that horrible stuff. We also wanted to talk about what it looked like when we got it right. Um and the third reason was that we believe [00:06:00] that cultivating peace inside the Rainbow community isn't just about the relationship I have with you. It's the relationship all of the different groups in our communities have with each other, too. So if we're going to have peaceful rainbow communities, we need to have communities that address racism as well as communities that address interpersonal violence. So it's quite an ambitious name, Really. Let's be honest. Um, the second part of our name, the English part of our name outing violence. That's really about the idea that if we want to be in communities without violence, we need to know [00:06:30] what it is. We need to be able to talk about it. We need to be able to, um, say what isn't OK, and and I guess I want to, um, share really that I think for me that that part of our name is about standing with survivors and making sure there's a language for survivors to talk about what's happened to them. But it's also spectacularly challenging inside a rainbow, our rainbow community, because we actually, when we're talking about adding violence for partner and sexual violence, we're mostly talking about people that are causing it being [00:07:00] inside our community, too. Yeah, and it's hard because it means we're talking about our friends. It means we're talking about people that are esteemed, Um, and part of outing violence is finding ways to manage those things and hold people accountable. But it's not a it's not a simple thing. I want to acknowledge that, I guess. OK, Third term terminology thing. Historically, this kind of violence partner violence has been called lesbian and gay. [00:07:30] Yeah, um, bit of a problem for people in our communities who don't identify as Les being and gay around about the early two thousands, it started being called same sex partner violence is that I'm curious about what terms are being used in Canada in intimate partner violence. OK, so same sex early two thousands to indicate that it was, um, that some of the people in those relationships might not identify as Les being or gay. I took this clip from the women's refuge website just a few days ago. So you can see there. [00:08:00] They've made the shift to calling it women in same sex relationships. Um, still under a lesbian banner. We're not using same sex partner violence, and we're not using lesbian and gay either. We're talking about rainbow relationships, and we're we're defining that as any relationship in which at least one person identifies as sex, sexuality or gender diverse. The reason for that is that for our trends and bisexual members of our community, we might be [00:08:30] in a relationship with someone who identifies as straight and cys and as abusive. And if we don't include that under our umbrella, we're gonna be missing some of the ways biphobia and Transphobia plays out. And I kind of that felt to me really logical. I have to say, when we came up with it, when we when Elizabeth and I went around the country, that was probably the thing that people talked about us the most thanked us for having an inclusive, um, way of talking about it. That meant they could see what where their relationships fitted. I was kind of interested in that. [00:09:00] OK, so less than a year ago, we decided that the first thing we needed to do before we tried to do anything going out and about and talking to people was actually make sure there was some information for people available publicly. Um, so we put together a website and that quickly turned from being a, um that was supposed to be just a holding thing. Actually, I ended up feeling like we have a responsibility to provide a little bit more around this. [00:09:30] Um, because there's nothing there at the moment. Absolutely nothing. So I'm gonna show you some of the These are some of the facts. I'll show you some more of the slides from the website in a moment, but it ended up being quite an enormous piece of work. And I'm very proud, actually, of what it looks like now. And there's a whole bunch more to do that we want to do, like a whole bunch more to do. Um, second thing was a survey, which I know, Um, a couple of people said they filled out, um, asking people's experiences of being in relationships and have unwanted sexual experiences. [00:10:00] And I'm going to talk a lot about that today. In a minute, third thing was a national tour that Elizabeth and I embarked on around the country. Um, we went to we held 19 in 20 days, and then we held one a wee bit later. So it was It was, um, fun for action, action oriented, um, talking to people around the country about their experience of the the stuff and basically trying to make sure that we had shared understandings of what partner [00:10:30] violence and sexual violence were. They were amazing. They are amazing conversations, and I'll talk a bit more about that later, too. So in terms of our website, um, I felt like when we started doing this work, it would be absolutely irresponsible not to have some rainbow specific content that would help people have some ideas about what to do in different situations where violence existed. Um, it's not absolutely perfect, but it's got some downloadable, [00:11:00] simple information about what to do in various situations. If you've got a friend who's using violence or experiencing violence, there's also some fact sheets about different kinds of people's experiences in the rainbow community of what being a survivor might include. So it talks about some of the specific ways that homophobia and biphobia and transphobia get leveraged for different kinds of people in our community. One of the things I really want to do there is create a whole bunch more resources [00:11:30] that are more culturally specific for different people's experiences. But we've got some basic stuff up there. Um, and I really encourage people to check out if they haven't already. It's WWW dot dot co dot NZ. OK, so we're gonna talk about the survey now I want to say before I get going into the the kind of data that, um, I know this can be really tricky stuff to talk about, and I know it can remind us of things that have happened to us [00:12:00] or our friends. I will be perfectly OK if anyone needs to step out for a little while and go and get a drink of water or whatever. Um, I'm also perfectly OK if people want to check in with me afterwards and ask me any questions. What I'd kind of like to do as we go through the information is encourage you to ask me questions. If it's a point of fact about the slide, that doesn't make sense. But if it's something you want to share, that's personal. I'd ask that you come and do that with me later. Is that OK? Yeah. OK, cool. So [00:12:30] survey snowball technique, which basically means we had no way of getting this out to people except using the networks that we already had. So we went out through Rainbow Media. We used our advisory group members as champions that went out through social media in a whole bunch of ways. It went out through, um, we got spectacular support from Rainbow Media around the country and, um, have run a couple of articles about it. The first article they wrote, which was basically us launching the website. We shared 60 times within the first three days. So we got a whole bunch of really fabulous, [00:13:00] um, community buy in, which was wonderful. We kept the open for four months. It was big. It was a big, um you know, we told people it was going to take them around about 20 minutes to answer. That was probably true. Unless people had had lots of experiences of violence, in which case it might have taken longer. Um, but it was still, you know, quite a significant commitment. I think to, um, answer it and share your experiences. We started out by asking a whole bunch of questions about demographics. [00:13:30] Um, and I'm gonna talk you through some of the data we've got from that in a minute. And then we asked people detailed experiences about their intimate relationships and about sexual experiences, about the effects of that abuse and about any help seeking experiences that they tried. Um, over that four months, we have 407 people responding around the country, which I was really pleased about. To be honest, um, similar survey in Australia Got less. I'm not competitive. [00:14:00] OK, so first question, what is your age? You can see here that our youth are rocking up. Hey, um, really pleased to see a range. Really pleased to see 40 to 49 representing. Um, no, that's a joke. Seriously pleased to see that we weren't only, you know, smatter over a couple of age groups. So, um, and I think the the higher numbers of young people reflects who our champions were, um and also possibly [00:14:30] the When you share on social media. Who's watching? Maybe. Yeah, but a good range of ages. Um, gender. We asked people to tell us in their own words, how they identify their gender. So you can see here. It looks like we got more female respondents, and I think that's true. But we also let people tick as many boxes here as they wanted to. So, um, what it means is that it's really complicated data to try and explain to anyone. But it's truthful about how we identify which I think is important. [00:15:00] Um, we were really pleased to see the numbers of trends and and gender fluid and non-binary people answering. It's quite a lot higher than similar surveys overseas. Um, yeah, we let people, um, tell us in their own words as well if they wanted to. And you can see here that some of those identifies people people wanted to restate in the text. Um, and some of them were things that we hadn't considered. But you can see I think tick boxes don't cut it really for us anymore, eh? [00:15:30] We've got lots of ways we want to describe ourselves, which is just gorgeous. OK, we also asked a question about whether or not people knew that they were intersex. Um, only eight people who answer the survey said they did, which means that we we're not really going to have anything useful to say about under six people's experiences. Um, and we knew that would be a problem, because when I tried to find a way of making this available to under six, people told me there was no way of doing that. We don't actually have any intersex networks in New Zealand [00:16:00] at the moment. That can do that right now. Um, you can see there's a big smattering of people who didn't know, and most people were pretty pretty sure that they weren't into sex, which is interesting. I was quite interested in that because I don't know if I'm into sex or not. I haven't had everything checked out. Yeah, OK, sexuality, um, same thing here. We invited people to check more than one box if they wanted to. Um, the straight heterosexual grouping here will be trans people. Um, and you can see the other. [00:16:30] There's a smattering of other identities there. Um, gay and lesbian. Perhaps our traditional sexuality identity is not necessarily as high as as the other groups, which is interesting. We let people do the same thing with sexuality that we did with gender and asked them what they call themselves. And we're queer. Hey, we're really, really queer. And that possibly reflects the younger demographic that we had. Um, I was really curious that even though we had offered [00:17:00] some of these identi identities, people still wanted to write them in the box. So they obviously these are things people care about. Hey, how we What we the words we used to call ourselves, um, and gorgeous again to see such a range OK, ethnicity. This is really interesting in terms of, um, our non-white ethnicities. So Maori national census data tells us we got 15% Maori. We got a 17% response rate. So pretty happy with that, [00:17:30] um, national census data for Asian populations in New Zealand 12%. So we're under that. We only got 8% responding. Um, national data for Pacifica Peoples in New Zealand, 8%. We got 7% responded. Um, you can see that is pretty high there. And that's because again, we let people tick more than one box. And so people were taking. And some And Chinese, um, we've got a pretty representative group in, though in terms of ethnicity, which is pretty fabulous, I think. [00:18:00] 407. Yeah, um, the the words that are in brackets there are the words that I've grouped in the different areas. And the reason some of them were, um some people had put kiwi. I've made an assumption that they meant they were They might not be right. Some people had said they were New Zealand European and not I've jumped them into. And New Zealand European, I'm afraid, Um, and we've got some other identities up there as well. I didn't know where we belonged. So the [00:18:30] one person who's identified as is up there, OK, and the last demographic question was around health and disability and pretty interesting. We've got 40% of our people answering the survey, identifying as having some kind of impairment. Hm. Yeah, and you can see they are heavily concentrated and the impairments to do with, um, learning and concentrating and how we are socially in the world, which I think, you know, in terms of the, [00:19:00] um in terms of minority stress and what it's like to live in our identities in the world and in terms of experiences of partner and sexual violence and the impact they have on us. Interesting, really interesting. A smattering of the, um, sensory impairments as well. Any questions on any of the demographic stuff? OK, just something I want to clarify. When people asked to complete the survey if they had had experience [00:19:30] anyway. Sorry. Thank you. That's a really important clarification. The survey was open to anyone over the age of 16 who identified under the Rainbow umbrella. Yeah, and we have one of the one of the kind of caveats that this research is going to have is that we have no idea if people were more drawn to fill in the survey because they had experiences of violence and wanted somewhere to share those. Or if everyone and I know this is true. Everyone in one youth group filled it in together. So we we don't know. We just don't know. We don't know if these are pre they're [00:20:00] not prevalence rates. They're an indication. Yeah, thank you, though. That's a really good question. I should have said that at the start. OK, I'm gonna talk about partner violence now, um, to explore partner violence in the survey, we didn't ask people. Have you experienced partner violence? We asked people about specific kinds of behaviour that, um either indicate imbalances of power in a relationship or [00:20:30] are associated with other kinds of behaviour and therefore might be problematic. Um, And to create these questions, we looked at international surveys that asked questions about partner violence. And then we thought about the experiences that we know are part of our communities. And we added some questions that haven't been in surveys anywhere else before, Which is kind of exciting, I think, Um, and we asked people how many partners have? Yeah, [00:21:00] And so when we look at the data, that percentage figure at the top on all the graphs you're gonna see is the percentage of people that had at least one partner do whatever the thing is and the colours yellow. One person, one partner had done it. Maroon two partners had done it. Purple, purple, three or more people had done it. OK, so let's start [00:21:30] talking about the data you can see here on this, um, first sheet of questions. We've got around about 60% of our people reporting that at least one partner had acted so angry towards them that they were frightened that at least one partner had called them names and that at least one partner had insulted, humiliated them or made fun of them in front of other people. Slightly over half, he had at least one partner tell them they were a loser [00:22:00] or a failure or other abusive and threatening names. Um, just Under had been just under half had been ridiculed by at least one partner about how their body looked. One in three had been told that no one else would want them, and one in five. And I really want to shout out to CO here, that question at the end. I'm not aware of that question being used in any other partner violence survey anywhere in the world. We wanted to find out whether or not racism was part of our partner. Violence was playing out in New [00:22:30] Zealand and one in five people said, Yeah, I've heard someone use racist language towards me in a relationship, so it looks like it is which, if we think about power Isn't that surprising? Probably a OK. Any questions about any of the information on that page here? We've got information about, um, different kinds of controlling behaviour, Really? So you can see at the end there we've got nearly 60% of our peeps telling us that they had a partner who told them everything was their [00:23:00] fault. Just under half. It had partners who'd used alcohol or drugs as an excuse for hurting them or who'd been criticised or questioned or shamed about their sexuality as part of behaviour in a relationship. We've got one in four people and I really want to shout out to this particular thing because it isn't something that's been explored anywhere I've seen yet. We've got 14 people [00:23:30] being told or being stopped from being out, being disconnected from the rainbow community around them as part of abusive behaviour in a relationship. What's interesting about that is that this is the one that is talked about a lot for rainbow partner violence, that people will be threatened to be outed, and what we're seeing here is the exact opposite people being stopped from being out. People being stopped from being connected to other rainbow people. Um, we've also got [00:24:00] one in four having pronouns used that aren't people's preference or people being dead named, basically people's gender identity not being not being respected. Um, we've got one in four being told that no one's going to believe you about the abuse that I'm using. And we've got one in six being threatened to be outed and one in 10 being told that women don't abuse women or men don't abuse men. So what's happening here is an abuse. So it's actually been explicitly said [00:24:30] in a relationship. It's not even the stuff around us. It's been explicitly said, Next set of information, these rates on the slide these are extraordinarily high, and I want to put out there that I feel like what I'm seeing here is the glue of how abusive relationships in the Ramo community happen in New Zealand because we've got more than half of our people telling us that their that their partner, [00:25:00] at least one of their partners, had has tried to keep them from talking to people. Other people has made decisions for them, has kept track of where they were going, has texted or called them all the time to try and stop them. Doing stuff has been has, um, threatened to hurt themselves or kill themselves if they don't do what you want. All of the stuff is the kind of isolation controlling stuff that I think holds. It is the glue of abusive relationships, [00:25:30] and our rates are so high. These are so, so high. I. I kind of find it fascinating. Survey also cover how many ex partners exhibit any of any partners? Yeah, It wasn't about current partners. It was about any partners. And I can't remember doing that. That thing of so many ex partners. Totally. Totally. Yeah. You're absolutely right. Yeah. Hence the possibility of having three or more. [00:26:00] Especially within a community where such close knit relationships where people are expected to be on good terms with your ex partners. Yeah. Yes. So that makes the difference. I'm not sure whether we're just talking past each other then. So you're saying it's not about the partner, but a partner who used to be your partner who is now being like and then get a phone call or I'm gonna hurt myself. I mean, you know, if you don't. [00:26:30] It could be either of those things. Yeah, Yeah. We haven't made a distinction between those things we said. We've asked about behaviours from a partner because at the moment they've become an ex partner. I sort of you know, they're not my partner anymore. They're my next that is. Actually, once the breakup has happened that that a whole range of them it happened, did you further break down the identities of the partner department? We're gonna look at gender identity of partners at the moment. Yeah, [00:27:00] OK, um and we've also got one in three who've had one of their partners make threats to physically harm them. One in three. It's pretty high and one in 10. And this is interesting because this is lower than, um, women who are experiencing violence men report have had a pet that's been threatened to be hurt by the by their partner. OK, moving [00:27:30] on now to, um, starting to move towards more explicitly physical violence. So we've got one in three people experiencing someone stopping them, going out without them. One in three people experiencing destruction of property, um, one in four people experiencing being having their money control. Um, one in five people having someone say things to them. Like, if I can't hear you, then no one can so really quite explicitly threatening stuff. [00:28:00] One in six people experiencing threats to hurt someone that they love or someone they love actually being hurt by their partner. And one in 10 having threats around Children being, um, being taken away from you by a partner. OK, last side around this. This is where we get into the actual physical violence stuff. You can see that half [00:28:30] of the people that answered the survey had had a partner who had pushed or shoved them in the past one and three. It had someone who'd slammed them against someone or something or had slapped them or had hit you with a fist. We've got one in five people around about one in five people experiencing someone pulling their hair, kicking them, biting them or choke or trying to choke them. [00:29:00] These are all really high levels of quite serious physical violence. One in six people has been beaten and the ones at the top lower numbers. Only 6% for both of those But people who've had a knife or gun used on them, or people who've been burned on purpose by a partner. The two at the bottom are two that are quite specific to trans and gender diverse experience. The 4% refers to people that have, [00:29:30] um, had the experience of their partner stop them using things that were gender affirming. So things like binders or particular dress out clothing styles and things like that. The bottom one is hidden or thrown away hormones that are important to my gender. So lower numbers of people. But only question only things that are actually really relevant to trends or GES and obvious people. So not surprising. The figures are lower. The good news is we're gonna stop looking at partner violence now because that's really fucking horrible stuff. Hey, let's be honest. [00:30:00] This is the gender of the partner using violence. So we asked people to, um, we asked people to write that down for us, and we gave them the words that we wanted them to use. So you can see here. We've got um, yeah, we've got pretty high levels of both male and female. We've only got a smattering of trends and gender diverse um, perpetrators here, But we've got much higher levels of female perpetrators than we would usually see [00:30:30] in studies. And that's probably reflecting in the fact that we've got more women answering the survey, I think. But it kind of, um makes a mockery of the idea that violence doesn't happen in relationships between women. Yeah, OK, we asked a question about Ampex because we wanted to get to whether or not the things that were happening here were, um, were relatively harmless, so actually quite serious. Um, you can see that more [00:31:00] than two thirds of people said that they felt numb and detached from their life because of what had happened in the most recent abusive relationship they've been in. And by this point, we called it abusive. An abusive relationship. Um, nearly two thirds had said that they tried really hard not to think about it, tried to put it away. More than half said that they felt afraid of the other person, that they had nightmares about what had happened or that they felt constantly on guard. Hypervigilant around about half said that [00:31:30] they used alcohol or drugs more often than usual to cope with what had happened in the relationship, Um, or they felt concerned for their safety. And one in five had physical injuries from what was happening in their relationship. So quite serious impacts. I want people to hold on to that because later on we're going to talk about why people, the answers people gave to why they hadn't sought help. And it's important we remember what people said. The impacts were OK. How are people doing heavy stuff? [00:32:00] It's It is startling. Yeah, I agree. Does anyone have anything they want to do to get rid of that before we move on to talking about sexual violence? Stand up, shake around anything like that? We're all good, OK? Not as good as we can be, OK? Sexual violence. So same thing with sexual violence. We didn't say. Have you experienced sexual violence? We asked about specific kinds of behaviours that people might have experienced, [00:32:30] and we asked them how many people and with this we were really clear. We weren't just talking about partners. We were talking about anyone. Um and we we've got some information about who perpetrators were at the end of this. So the first set of questions we asked people how many how many people had expose these sexual body parts to flesh you masturbated in front of you? Half of our people answering the survey said, Yeah, that had happened to me. Just under half have been made to touch someone else's sexual body parts. [00:33:00] And I think one of the things that interests me about this kind of this data is you look at how many people have had three or more people do that for those first two, like we've gone from having a predominantly, maybe one partner who's done this to us to. Actually, quite a lot of people are doing this stuff to us, which is really, really scary. I think we've got just under 40% have been made to show sexual body parts to someone when they didn't want to, and we've got one in three experiencing [00:33:30] a threat to sexually assault them. One in three experiencing a threat to sexually assault them, one in five being made to look at or participate in sexual photos or videos. So quite sobering stuff. Yes, this is all against their will, and we thank you. It's a really good question because for each of the questions for sexual the sexual violence area. And we didn't call it the Sexual [00:34:00] Violence Area. We reiterated that again at the top to make sure that people were clear that no, no time frame, but that it was things that you didn't want to happen. Yeah, so And that was the phrase we used. I'm also reflecting on. As you said, the number of multiple when you think about how old many of the respondents totally. Yeah, it certainly is. And I guess what it suggests [00:34:30] for me and you can see again here I look at how many people have had three or more people touch their sexual body parts when they don't want that to happen. One in three people who had three or more people do that to them, that's extraordinary. And who said that story? Who said the analogy of a frog in boiling water? People heard them. Yeah, Anyone hasn't heard it. No. Everyone knows it. OK, cool for me. This is the This is the water that our rainbow communities are boiling in a. This [00:35:00] is the stuff that is teaching us that our bodies aren't our own to decide who gets to touch and how they get to touch them. These figures are extraordinary. Frankly, So we've got more than I can touch your sexual body parts without you wanting to that. Yeah, I guess all of the questions had that writer written at the top. So it was. I hope it was clear people answering the questions. [00:35:30] Yeah, I have, um, taken some liberties with the answers for the presentation. Um, OK, so for this side, we've got more than two thirds of people who have had at least one person touch their sexual body parts when they haven't wanted that to happen. We've got just under two thirds of people being kissed in a sexual way when they haven't wanted that to happen. We've got more than half of our people telling us that they had had sexual parts of their body touch that didn't want touch during sexual activity or they've been pressured to do sexual [00:36:00] stuff they haven't wanted to do in an otherwise consenting sexual situation. So yeah, this this, for me is we can see is starting to get really, really murky, I think for our rainbow communities. And that's scary when these things happen like multiple things happen as part of one incident. It's really I don't know how people have answered that. I suspect that. Well, I hope they've ticked all of this, but I don't know. And that is one of the, um, one of the great unknowns about [00:36:30] how we did this. It was online. Yeah, we have. We have lots and lots and lots of murky areas. Mm. OK. We asked a set of questions around whether or not people have been made to perform or receive oral, vaginal anal sex in particular situations. Um, we've got half of our respondents saying that they've been forced to perform or receive those kinds of sex because of pressure being repeatedly [00:37:00] asked to do something. We've got half of people having that happen to them when they were drunk, asleep, drugged or passed out by at least one person. We've got one in three experiencing those things by someone who's pressuring them by telling them they're going to do awful things to them. Unless unless this happens, we've got one in four having physical threats being used in order to have the person causing harm [00:37:30] be allowed to perform or receive oral vaginal anal sex. We've got one in five having someone using their authority as either a boss or a teacher or a counsellor. Um, a position of authority, basically. And we've got one in 10 being told that if they didn't do that that they weren't really a lesbian, a gay man, a bisexual person, a trans person. Did you get any information about [00:38:00] what sort of age people were asked the question because no, we did ask about the gender of perpetrators of sexual violence, and you can see here we've got a heavy predominance of male perpetrators, tiny smattering of trans and gender queer people and some women perpetrating sexual violence as well. [00:38:30] We did ask as well about the relationship when the sexual violence happened. You can see down the bottom. As with, um, is with other kinds of sexual violence. It's often coming from a partner from a boyfriend or a girlfriend. So two thirds of our people said at least one of the people that did this stuff to them had been a partner. One in three said it had been a friend. Just under one in 10 said it had been a work colleague. One [00:39:00] in five said it had been a family member. So there we're talking about child sexual abuse. The numbers for someone I just met and for strangers are much higher than we usually see in sexual violence. Data that's looking at straight as people's experiences. Um, one in three for strangers had had had one of these experiences from a stranger. And here I think we're talking about hate sexual violence. Really, we're talking about sexual violence. It's targeting us because of our sexuality or gender identity or the perception [00:39:30] of our sexuality or gender identity. Um, can I Can you unpack that a little bit In terms of what I think that is? I'm I'm extrapolating. Firstly, let me say that, Um, I'm saying that I think that, um, we know that most sexual violence that has been researched in the straight world doesn't happen from strangers. So it's not someone just walking up and and doing this. We know from some of the things that people have said in the survey that that is happening. [00:40:00] They are getting threats from strangers. They are getting experiences where, um, someone's literally not liking their gender or sexual or sexual presentation and sexual violence is part of policing that, and I'm calling that hate sexual violence. But you don't think it would be, um, because of the predominance of the the I'm. Assuming it's this male, it would be from things like social Media and grinder and some of the I'm sure that will be some of it, too. And I think that someone [00:40:30] I just met stuff the one and three someone I just met. Stuff quite possibly speaks to some of the environments that Rainbow Communities set up around meeting people because the rest of the world isn't safe for us and therefore those, um, Internet situations, sex on site venues, those kinds of things, bars and clubs and the like, which, you know, once something happens, then the word goes out. Watch out there. But I think it's almost need something bad to happen before other people [00:41:00] say, Oh, there's somebody targeting And even what what happened in the community? Who and I will talk about that a little bit more in a moment. But what people talked about there was there been a presumption of consent in lots of contexts in the rainbow community that have been set up for sexual encounters, but a presumption of consent just for being there. So I've gone to a six on site venue. That means everything that happens here. I've already said yes to And people talked about what? That what a problem that was. Yeah. And and the same with Internet hook up situations, [00:41:30] too, that there was a presumption you'd already agreed by clicking. Yeah, I'll go and meet you. Yeah. Can you just tell me what the what? The difference is between a stranger and someone that I just met is a stranger somebody completely unknown to you haven't spoken to or is. Someone just met somebody that you've actually spoken to is that I can't tell you how people will have interpreted the question. That was what we [00:42:00] were trying to capture with the question. It seems to me that that that that's a bit I think, Yeah, I agree with you. There's some ambivalence there. We we absolutely wanted to capture that stuff where you've met someone in a bar that night, and what happens is sexual assault, as opposed to someone targets you in the street and you've got no connection with them at all. Yeah, you had an online conversation with someone for a while. [00:42:30] The same with online conversations you might not have met somebody face to face. You chatted to them online. You have a sense of security. And that was another place that people talk about in the community. I'm not wanting to take up too much time as you're going through this, but there is another possibility with [00:43:00] the stranger bit is when we're younger and there's no stranger bit that when we're not sure of our sexuality or whatever, there are people who pray and you can sniff it. You know, basically. So there are people who will men mainly, who will target young people who put [00:43:30] off the vibes of not being confident about themselves. Yeah, so you will get, um, approached or just grabbed in the street because you look like you. I suggest there's a possibility of that as well. I think you are absolutely correct. And I think that, um, one of the things that the first piece of feedback I got from on the survey from some one [00:44:00] was someone writing and to say to me, You missed out age here in terms of perpetration stuff. What happens for young queer men when we come out is that older queer men target us. And they were right. We didn't ask questions around that. Yeah, it's sort of what? What? They, um what they described it is. And I started using this phrase was that there are vulnerabilities around your rainbow age. So when you're just coming out [00:44:30] and you don't know what the rules are and you don't actually not sure what you're up for yet that people that are predatory can target that, too. Coming out totally, totally. And I remember playing sport with young women who had had their coaches, um, target them for sexual relationships. Yeah, yeah. And and that was also what I'm getting a bit for the strange one. [00:45:00] It's not necessarily in a same sex relationship. Just if you so young women can be targeted by predatory men totally in public situations because they said they had some more, you know, it's like you're different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. I completely agree with everything you've said. Thank you. A consent in 16. [00:45:30] 16. Any desegregation of data around drug rate? I haven't done any desegregation of data of any so and you can probably see why there's quite a lot of data. But I just I remember 10 years ago, so we were selling protection kits because there was so much for hypno in New Zealand. Well, particularly the, um, crisis. We're feeling a lot of people three days after Saturday night [00:46:00] that haven't been dumped in any way in the world. And when you saw that one in two people, half of our people said that they had. So it's but yeah, I, I know that that for me that experience is 10 years ago, but in terms of the knowledge that there was a lot of it around, I don't know around now. When my first experience, when I came back to New Zealand in 2005 and going to a queer club in Wellington, I was standing at the bar and this gorgeous [00:46:30] young, um, queer man asked me if I'd watch his drink for him. And I said, Sure, and he said, Yeah, a friend of mine was drug raped here last week, and I was like, Whoa, I've been back in the country like probably two weeks. I never heard that in a bar before. Actually Google it. So I wrote an article this week The orientation week. Hold on to your drink like it's your favourite lover. There was there was quite a rash of it in Well, and some of the [00:47:00] young people were sharing Watch out for that particular bartender because it wasn't just the customers. It was the bar staff that were. But I mean, this is just anecdotal, but I don't get the sense that now so, you know, in terms of. But I've also heard anecdotally that people Sorry, I was just gonna say the other one is People say, Oh, why bother buying a drink or having it when you can sort of use tinder grinder or whatever? Let's let's stop, um, having a general chit chat, I'm going to finish with this. We might well [00:47:30] have time for a general chit chat at the end. OK, so the impacts we asked the same question around impacts the one that we'd asked about partner violence. You can see here that more than three quarters of people said that they tried really hard not to think about what had happened to them that two thirds had said that they felt numb and detached from their lives. That significantly more than half had said that they were constantly on guard. Hypervigilant felt afraid of the other person and felt concerned for their safety. [00:48:00] Um, just on half said that they had nightmares about what had happened, Um, or that they used alcohol or drugs more as a result of what had happened. And one in four people had physical injuries as a result of the sexual violence that had happened to them. So again, quite serious impacts again. Please hold that in your head for a slide. I'm gonna show you slightly later on. I guess just why I want to touch on you very quickly is that it takes a little bit of insight to realise that those of behaviour related to that [00:48:30] so many people, it takes such a long time to get to. Actually, that was a significant, I think. Yeah. And Alex, I think that is so true. And I think in the context of, um, lack of consent being actually quite ordinary. And that's what our stats show. That's even more true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. and multiple people that have done that, too. Yeah, [00:49:00] I completely agree. OK, any more comments on the section one section before we move on to people's experiences of help seeking? No. OK, so we asked people if they thought they needed help for what had happened to them. Um, and about 350 odd people said, Yup. They did think they needed help. Um, we asked them if they asked for it, [00:49:30] and 220 said that they did ask for it. And these are the groups of people that they asked for it. So you can see massively. We've asked our mates for help. Um, not surprising that that figure is pretty consistent across all kinds of experiences of, of violence. We're also going to counsel us, though a whole bunch more than, um, then probably people are. And I suspect that's because the numbers of people that have gone to specialist agencies are miniscule there, [00:50:00] you know, especially domestic violence agencies. Just 19 people have even tried to knock on the door. Um, sexual violence agencies are quite small. It shows us how important it is that councillors are safe People. I think um, got a few people going to family. We don't have very many people trying to go to queer community groups. And what's interesting about that, for me is that every single queer community group around the country that I've talked to this about knows it's happening. So if only 20 people from our survey have gone to them [00:50:30] out of the 220 that needed help. Boy, we were only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Grant, Um, not many people are going to The police either. Were quite surprised by that. Um, yeah, I was, um and I was really surprised at the high levels of counsellors because counselling is not free for most people. So yeah, not surprised about the friend? [00:51:00] That was That was probably what I was expecting, to be honest. Yeah. Um, our advisory group members have been quite upset about the community group. The lowness of that step. Yeah. OK, um we asked people how supportive the people they went to for help with So purple is very supportive. Maroon Quite supportive, yellow, not supportive at all. You can see the police win the prize for the not supportive at all even though hardly anyone's gone to them. Probably not surprising. And you can see their friends [00:51:30] and counsellors are the people that are being experienced as very supportive percentage wise in terms of how many people have gone to them, um, sexual violence agencies, domestic violence agencies. Looks like about half and half are getting a reasonable response, and about half are not. We also asked how helpful they were. It turned out that question was completely useless because, actually, it's almost exactly the same. The only thing that's interesting about that for me is that friends were more supportive than helpful, probably because we want [00:52:00] to help our friends. But we don't necessarily know how. That's actually the only thing that's interesting about that data. The police stop. Yeah, the police, Yeah. Oh, I think the police is about the same. I think the grass is a bit bigger. It's funny because I think it's actually a really significant question. The difference between support and helpful, very, very different words they picked up. I would have taken that [00:52:30] support you, but actually helping you to get to potentially a different. But I help can sometimes be beyond particular of It might be very supportive, but not actually. Yeah. Yeah. Good Lord. Yes. Yeah, I agree. [00:53:00] And then she has an experience. And actually, I've heard lots of people talk about that. And, you know, if you look at our levels, that's going to be quite likely, actually, Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Thank you, Joe. I agree. OK, we asked people. So why didn't you seek help or report what happened to you? Now? I want everyone to cast their minds back to those impacts. OK? Because two thirds of our people said they didn't seek help because they didn't think it was that big a deal. And we've just seen those [00:53:30] impacts. So we've still got this thing we actually do. We have the language to talk about what's happened to us. Do we have the language to say that as you were saying, Alex, these things are actually really related. Maybe not. Probably not. Not surprising, maybe, um, over to this side. We've got a couple of questions around whether or not they hadn't reported or sought help because the person that had caused the harm to them had told them not to and told them if they did something bad would happen. So you've got one in five people reporting that and one in 10 people [00:54:00] saying someone else in their lives told them that bad things would happen, and and that question asked specifically about, um, about whether or not it was related to having to come out as well. And there's some stuff I'm gonna share some quotes with you in a minute around that that are quite significant. I think, um, over the other side here, though, we've basically got the barriers that are a little bit more specific to our experience, right? So we've got one in three people saying they didn't know where to go. We've got one in three people saying they didn't think they'd [00:54:30] be dealt with fairly got one in four people saying that they were worried they'd be more violence or discrimination if they tried to seek them out. And we've got people being worried that the services they went to or the places they went for help would be homophobic biphobic or transphobic. We've got one in 10 being afraid that they'd they'd be out at all, that they'd actually have to come out if they reported what had happened to them. So those barriers, they're our barriers. They're not generic barriers. Really. [00:55:00] Any questions about any of that? The interesting one for me is to be in terms of internalising and internalising and trying to normalise it very significant because because what it says is to me there's a culture that, um that we're not really confident about dealing with issues of violence. And [00:55:30] I think there's a historical, historical reason for that coming from coming essentially from warrior cultures. I'm pretty sure we're a warrior culture and the Maori are war culture, and we've been taught to, um, to really minimise it and internalise a lot of our feelings of what's happened to us. That's my perspective on that. Yeah, interesting. I guess I'd add to that that I think that, um, the language for calling this behaviour [00:56:00] violence in our rainbow communities I don't think really exists. I don't think we even have ways to talk about it. I having lived in quite quite a few different countries, I think that New Zealand New Zealand culture is psychologically very violent. That's my That's my um, maybe it reflects what's happened to me, but I also have a very close friend who for the last 30 years has worked in child abuse. And, um, [00:56:30] and I was one of the first people in New Zealand and united to stand up and ask, where where were the, um where with statistics on New Zealand, sexuality and rates of incest and abuse, and all the rest of it, and paid a very high price for it. But with I think that there's a very a very, very high level, if understated, violence in our culture and I think dealing with this, [00:57:00] I presume you're going, you're going on to looking at some solutions. But I think that it's a discussion that really needs to be had about the level, the unrecognised people of society, the group. Would that also be capturing the the the people who? The reason [00:57:30] that they then they're able to say don't report is the authority thing. You know, your boss, your supervisor. Um um, Counsellor, your coach, You could be capturing any of that. You remind us the number of people who said they didn't seek help, which is this is a Yeah, Well, not necessarily because some of the people that sought help. Might have sought Might might not have sought help every time. [00:58:00] Yeah, um, so 350 people said they definitely need a specialist help. And 220 people made at least one attempt to seek help for at least one thing. Do you think that, um I think it comes at we We offered free text around barriers, and I'm going to share [00:58:30] some quotes from that later. Um, yeah. So I hope we covered it. And we certainly got a lot of people talking about that. Yeah. Thank you. OK, I'm gonna move on now to talking about our community, if that's ok with everybody. Yeah, OK. So as I said before Elizabeth and I went on a national tour, we started in Dunedin. We finished in Wellington, but we went there via Christchurch, [00:59:00] Nelson, Wellington, Gisborne, Auckland, Hamilton, Palmerston North and then Wellington again. And some of those places we held multiple, um, overall. And then we went back to Auckland again, actually. So overall, we held 20 around the country. We had more than 240 people come to, um one of our, um we held with ethnicity specific groups to try and hold some [00:59:30] safe spaces and talking about racism. So we held a with equation in Auckland, Um, with and box events in Wellington at love life for, um And then we held some general community who as well, and we held a trans specific Who in Auckland, too. So, um, a whole bunch of different kinds of ways of trying to include conversation, Um, amazing experience, I have to say, wandering around the country and firstly, trying to make sure we had a shared, [01:00:00] shared understanding of these things and then talking about what we needed to sort it amazing. I felt incredibly enriched by the conversations. And I know some of the people who are in the room we're at the in the different places. So it's nice to see you came back. Um, I'm gonna share some real topline kind of, um, we got So we've got 45 pages of notes type written bullet pointed notes that I'm sure everyone in the advisory group has gone through thoroughly a T um, [01:00:30] incredibly rich, incredibly rich information, the top line stuff. So no one knows where to go for help, So we're keeping it inside our communities. We're talking to each other about it. If we're talking about it at all. Um, the second bullet point? Absolutely. Extraordinarily. What I found people knew most about in terms of partner violence was psychological abuse. Now, that is completely different. I've done lots of community education around domestic violence that is completely different from what happens when you try and do [01:01:00] ordinary community education. Um, and I'm gonna remind us of this slide that talked about all of the different ways controlling stuff happens in our communities. My sense of this is that we recognise psychological abuse because we're seeing it around us, and we're experiencing it ourselves. Um, the the skill that people had in talking about that now was quite something. Um, our local services were really not very well known about it all, especially for sexual violence. No one knew. Not [01:01:30] one person in the country knew their local Maori service, not one person in the country. That is absolutely heartbreaking when you think of the knowledge that our Maori services hold, um, almost equally invisible were male survivors services. It's fair to say that when people had gone to services and and I want to, um, kind of stress here that I don't think that everyone came to our community who we filled in the survey. And I don't think that everyone who fill in the survey came to our community. Who? I think there were some different people and some crossover [01:02:00] people who came to our community who, when they had tried to access services, had had really mixed experiences. And that's probably a kind way of putting it, To be honest, um, I'm gonna share just one story because it's still burning in me. A trans woman who'd been married for 10 years, called the police. Finally, after many years of abuse, um, she'd just been raped. The police came to her house. Her husband said he'd only [01:02:30] just found out She was Trans. The police went away again. End of story. Yeah. Hm. I didn't hear one story from one queer man anywhere in the country of being taken seriously by the police when they report reported sexual assault, not one. Um we heard lots of stories of people, and I think this is This is something that's really interesting for us to think about because we talk to each other, [01:03:00] because when we experience some kind of discrimination at a service that can mean that that service almost becomes unable to by everybody. Um, and so there was a bit of that going on. And in one place we were asked for one of the agencies in the in that area not to come to the So there is a bit of that going on around the country. Um, but actually, a lot of the stuff was based on, you know, trying to access services or trying to support friends, to access services and not getting good stuff happening [01:03:30] what people said they wanted. And and And we didn't just ask questions about services. We asked questions about all kinds of things, but one of the sets of questions was around the services, and we asked them what they wanted. And people said they wanted to know that when they went to a specialist domestic or sexual violence agency, that that place was gonna know who we are. They were gonna be rainbow competent. Basically, um, they weren't gonna say things to us like, Oh, you're probably queer because you were sexually assaulted, which had been said to some of our people around the country. Um, they weren't going to be told [01:04:00] that that stuff always happens in lesbian relationships. OK, so they want They want to know that that stuff is not gonna happen to them when they seek help. Um, they want to know where to go, because actually, at the moment, firstly, the services are invisible, and secondly, there's a real lack of clarity around who can go with, and that's particularly true around gender stuff. So the fact that the sexual and domestic violence sectors treat sex as binary and as something that doesn't change from when you're born is a real problem for our communities, because that's [01:04:30] not how we experience our gender. Um, and finally, people talked a lot about wanting relationships between our rainbow agencies and our, um, our sexual violence and domestic violence specialist services. So actually wanting some surety that that stuff was going to be held well, yeah, OK, in terms of prevention, people said some really interesting stuff. Um, the first thing and this was said absolutely everywhere by many, many, many, many, many people [01:05:00] was that they wanted healthy relationships and consent information with visible rainbow content in our schools everywhere. So they wanted to have, um, ways to learn how to navigate and negotiate consent that were relevant to rainbow people. Um, I was kind of shocked about that. That's one of my passions, but I was really shocked that it was shared by 240 people around the country. It was awesome, Um, people at the second point, really interesting. People really want to see role models in a whole bunch of different [01:05:30] formats of what healthy relationships look like, and they want really diverse examples of that. So they don't want the idea that a healthy relationship is a relationship that lasted 25 years and looks like this. They want non monogamous relationships. They want relationships where people talk about what makes it healthy. Not I've been with that person for seven years. Therefore, it's a good relationship. I thought that was cool. I really liked it, and they also want to make sure that the people that we show around that aren't just as white people. Yeah, So there was lots of comment about that. Um [01:06:00] they wanted content about violence and relationships which was relevant to us, and I think you can see that some of our questions and some of the responses to that show that we're having quite specific experiences of violence. They want that visible and violence prevention content that's being created, Um, which is a good challenge for us, really. They wanted more rainbow support around vulnerable periods. And this is the stuff that you were talking about in terms of the coming out and the vulnerability. Or maybe I was talking about it in relation to you. [01:06:30] Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that stuff around, um, your rainbow age and that being taken, taken advantage of people wanted some stuff around that that was going to be safe and, um, wrap around. Really? Um, people wanted people talked a lot. A lot of queer men talked about, um, some of the, um websites and so on being really incredibly racist to to navigate. Um, So people in several who were in the country people [01:07:00] talked about no Asians being pretty universal. Um, so lots of conversation about how we dealt with that. And people wanted ways to handle violence inside our community because there was a distrust of what would happen when we report Yeah, which is challenging, I think, for many reasons. But OK, Pete. So we are at 4. 26. I have some quotes to share from things that people shared with us. We're supposed to finish at 4. 30. Would people like to [01:07:30] go through those quotes before we finish up? Is that OK? Yeah. OK, so I've I've chosen some quotes that I think illustrate some of the things that people talked about a lot. We had 30 pages worth of information on our barriers that we'd asked for. So this is someone who said they were molested between 11 and 13, raped at the age of 19. The night that they were raped. They phoned a rape helpline for help were told because they were transgender and not [01:08:00] a real woman. They wouldn't help when they phoned Gay Line. Although they were sympathetic, the person on the phone said they didn't have the skills to help them. This person says they felt more hurt by the women's refuge rape helpline than they did by the actual rape. Honestly, and for 30 years, they've never forgiven refugee and rape crisis because of it. Hm. So lots of conversations about people that had tried to access gender specific services and policing around gender, meaning that that service wasn't accessible [01:08:30] to them. Lots of conversation about that seeking advice This is someone who says that they work really hard to be seen as a man to avoid harassment and violence by strangers. Experiencing abuse at the hands of women and other non men undermines that as an a trans person. There aren't many places that this person can go to feel safe to talk about abuse repeatedly heard people deny abuse because partners too firm or not masculine enough to engage in violence feels really hesitant to report abuse [01:09:00] because they don't want to contribute to the false stereotype of trans people. As as abusers, hugely complicated when our loyalty to our community is stopping us seeking help because we know that how that person might be dealt with is likely to be horrific. Lots of conversation about that. OK, this next one. So this is someone saying that no one talks about same sex, intimate partner violence or sexual violence that they knew they were [01:09:30] hurt. They knew it had changed them forever. They were too ashamed to seek help or label it abuse because they were both female, 16 to 18. When it happened, they were worried people would think they were lying because abuse only happens to people over 18 by people over 18. Didn't think anyone would believe them. Abusers stalked them for six months after the relationship ended. Even then, I still felt like I couldn't go to the police due to homophobia and ageism. Thought they would just think we were two teenage girls who were only friends, having spare about nothing when in reality [01:10:00] they'd been sexually assaulted, threatened with date rape, had threats made and carried out against their life, stalked, abused by girlfriend. What this person says is that the heteronormative that surrounds the subject of abuse prevented them from getting the help that they needed. So I think there's a whole bunch of stuff going on here around how seriously we take violence towards young people. A, as well as the homophobia that they're talking about. Nick [01:10:30] took this person seven years after they first experienced abuse to seek help. Barriers included being aware of lack of funding and support for sexual violence services, feeling like what they'd experienced wasn't bad enough to deserve help despite experiencing PTSD being unsure if they could find a counsellor who would understand them and that it might take time and trust to build up what had happened. Worrying organisations would be homophobic biphobic or transphobic about partners and make assumptions that they were queer because of being abused. [01:11:00] That was talked about a lot around sexual assault, that people had had experiences of going to services where that assumption had been made and that people were terrified of that assumption being made. OK, the quote I'm gonna finish with, we didn't, um we didn't have a section on Tell us how you feel about what we've done. But lots of people, um, took time and energy to [01:11:30] give us feedback through the survey anyway, which was incredibly generous and beautiful, and I'm really grateful for it. All of the stuff we got was along these kind of lines. So it was people talking about having tried to find somewhere that was specialised, wanting to do something like that themselves and feeling really grateful that the survey existed because they'd been able to talk about what had happened to them, um, and thanking us for the work that we've done to provide the [01:12:00] resources that were there on that are there on the site? Um, I have to say I felt incredibly humbled by that, and I want to kind of put it up there because I think this stuff is really hard to talk about. Hey, I mean, I don't know how everyone's feeling about what I've just shared today, but actually, we have to talk about it. It's not going anywhere if we don't talk about it A And I guess I want to honour the people that we're brave enough to share both in the community. Who [01:12:30] we And in the survey and honour the fact that lots of people, you know, we've got I've got hundreds of pages of notes now on this from around the country. Um, we've got a lot of work to do on it, and and and the next stage for us is really to put together this information in a format that doesn't involve me having to talk to it every time. Um um And to put together to tell people what what people around the country have asked for in terms of of doing things to, um, to interrupt how this violence is happening and doing [01:13:00] things to build more healthy communities for us. Um, but I feel it feels like the time is right to me. Like I feel like we wouldn't have got that level of engagement and that level of, um, people taking care if people weren't ready to do this. So I guess, Emory, that your comment at the beginning about where it had got to I It's got to people wanting to do something, and I'm thrilled about that. Yeah, and that's all I've got. Will this be published in a report format to make it? Absolutely. Some of us, [01:13:30] like I think there's a lot of government agencies that need the information sort of in a form to sort of say this because they can't just sort of say, Hey, I think that yeah, no, I completely agree. I went in to talk to Ms D about it, um, a week ago to present this to them, and they are going to hold a cross government on it, so yeah, that's gonna happen quite soon, I think. Anyway, thank you so much for coming and chatting with me. I really don't want people to be holding on to the horrors of what that was like. So [01:14:00] I hope we've got good self-care planned for the afternoon and evening. Um, so happy to talk about this afterwards with anyone who wants to stop and chat with me. Um, join the mailing list. If you're not already on it, you can do it by accessing the website. The information is on the website. Um, yeah, Let's do something about this thing. OK, cool.
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