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So my name is, um, Jack Burn. I'm a I'm a trans guy. Um, I'm a human rights researcher. Um, I'm from the west coast of the South Island, but I live in Auckland now, and I transitioned in Wellington. Um, and I'm here with I haven't got my hat on. I seem to have lost that. But, um, I'm here, um, with the hat on of counting ourselves, which is our community [00:00:30] led, um, trends or non binary health and well-being survey that heaps of you filled out. Um, this is a commute Was community led, um, research project, Um, the the Jamie who is the person who got the funding to be able to do it. Um, as a trans woman, she really wanted to be here today, but she's been away from home for about 10 days and and has some sick members. So she, um, had to fly home, [00:01:00] um, a little bit earlier. Um, and then I came on board part time to work on her. Got a community, a five week work, and our community advisory group has three people from here on it. Um, and also B. There were three people who are Wellington based, and they helped us come up with the questions and what really importantly, help with the outreach to get people to fill in the survey. So I'd ask you to say if you filled it in, but it's an an a survey, so I won't [00:01:30] do that. But, um, I can tell you that Wellington was the place that totally over achieved, and you got more than your proportion of the population, um, filled out. 26% of our respondents were from Wellington, so I don't know. You probably deserve a cap for And that means that for we had responses from people all over the country [00:02:00] and most places, that was about the proportion of the population, except because you over achieved everyone else is slightly underachieving for the proportion of the population. But, um, the youngest, the youngest that people could be was 14, and that was to get ethics approval because we asked some Really, as any of you who did it will know there was some kind of there were tough questions in there about, um, people who thought about suicide or attempted suicide. So 14 was the youngest. We could get [00:02:30] that we're allowed to ask. And we went. The oldest person who filled it out was 83. So a huge, huge range of people and the, um, regions, Yeah, it was all over the country. The, um the ethnicity mix we overrepresented and and the and the, um overrepresented Maori slightly choice that we did pacific sort about the proportion of the population and, um, Asian was slightly lower. [00:03:00] Asian Pacific participants are the are the four main groups. We divided it into that. We had enough people to report back on. And it's kind of hard, too, because we don't know what the the data about Asian participants, whether, um that's also the proportion of Asian trans and non-binary people in New Zealand or not. We don't know if if the proportions map the rest of the population in the same way. Um, but we got enough to be able to make to say some things about the experiences [00:03:30] of each of those groups that was slightly different from the others. We also, um, people with disabilities, huge proportion. A quarter of our participants had a disability. And when we use this technical term, the Washington Group short six questions that one of the ones we use because it's stats in users so we can compare against the overall population. So, um, that's why we use that. But we also asked about Neurodiversity, and when you added the people with disabilities and those [00:04:00] who are new neuro diverse, it was about a third of our participants. So it's huge. We've got a lot of disability data that we can analyse, and I know there's people who are interested in being part of of doing that. So I really wanted to thank everyone in Wellington who put such a huge effort in because not only did you get so many people to fill it out, but also, um, some of the resources we use, like gender minorities. You did poster, put [00:04:30] up posters about it around the country and just to promote, you know that and we tried to. We we used our resources and our social media stuff and places where we knew it was really hard to get. So we did. Lots of we did you know, we had posters up in on the East Coast in, uh well, we were a little bit restricted from where Phantom had billboards, but we put posters up, and we knew it was going to be harder to reach out to people who had transitioned a long time ago [00:05:00] who weren't so much on on social media. But, you know, people like Karen and who were based in Wellington for a long time. They, um, really reached out, um, through emails. People rang people to ask them to fill it out, and you could fill it out by hand. But did you know we could send paper copies out? So now I'm just gonna go move slightly over to where the laptop is. So, um, Felicia Brown Acton is one [00:05:30] of the community advisory group members, along with people who just shared their, um, words about why it was so important for people to fill out the survey that, um, we also wanted this to be really robust because we have got people that we're up against. Obviously, at the moment, we need really robust data. So we got the survey reviewed to make sure it worked for our community, and we also talked to people in government agencies to look at the survey [00:06:00] so they can give us some feedback and help professionals. And it was live from 21st June 2 days before my birthday. You can write that down if you want, um, till 30th of September. But a couple of people messaged me like at about 11. 30 on the 30th of September. So, to be honest, I let it stay open till about 10 a.m. on the first of October. But publicly, it was the 30th of September, but 1178 responses we could use [00:06:30] There were hardly any we didn't. We don't didn't have people were maliciously trying to do something to it. We thought there might be. I think it was just too long. You'd have to have been really dedicated to have stuck with it to really stuff up our responses. But, um, we did get some people who came in and then didn't come back or came in and came back later. So there were people who did it multiple, so we cleaned all that out. So we originally we started, you know, it was a bit bigger than that, but after we cleaned out all the multiple, but in that, um, [00:07:00] 1178 and lots of people spent a lot of time on it. I think the average was between one and two hours, so that's way, way too long for a survey. But we took out lots of questions at one point, and everyone kept saying, Put them back in So I know it was a huge effort from people who filled it out, and there were some really heavy things there, so immensely grateful for people for doing that. And, um, at one point we were trying to figure out the average. But we realised the person who just left their screen on for four days was stuff [00:07:30] and stuff stuffing up our average, so we haven't got an average time and you had to be trans or non binary. You didn't have to use that word to describe yourself, but we had a number of questions that identified someone whose gender was different from their assigned at birth. So and whatever word you use and living in a and aged 14 or over, and that was the ethnicity mix that I showed you there. We had a great um, I was sharing [00:08:00] some data with some people yesterday and there's some wonderful quotes we've got. Where people particularly, um, Maori and Pacific people talked about how, um, a sense of their identity that, you know, gender was part of it. Um, but it was only a part of who they were and that there was the cultural context that supported who they were. I haven't got it on this one. Sorry, but we've got some wonderful quotes in the report. These, um these were some ones that [00:08:30] were I can tell the this was a presentation for some health providers, But for Pacific people, there were, you know, were amongst our community. I guess I could say some of the hard stuff. There were more people who had been, um, faced rejection from their family. So besides people some people saying there was a lot of cultural support, there were other people talking about the hard stuff. Um, And for our Asian part, um, participants. One of the biggest thing was, um, racism and particularly, um, in public places, [00:09:00] they were the group most likely to report racism in public places. Um and yeah, I'll I'll move, move on to some of the others. That was the regions which I already told you about. But there those were the words that people, um, could give you probably can't see it from a from a distance. But you had a long list you could put for your what your gender and non binary was by far the most, the most common. Well, it was the most common one [00:09:30] after with transgender just below it. But 40% of people identified as non binary and then lots you just identified as male or female. Trans men, trans woman. And you know, then we get to gender queer gender fluid. Um, the word that was, um, a non-english word that people most likely to use the most common was so 4% of the used um, and we had some other Pacific and Maori words. But this question here, the word cloud as we asked people if there was [00:10:00] a from their cultural background was was there a term that was used to describe um, the people people like them and, um and those were the the names there. Most of the ones you can see the bigger ones are Maori or Pacific terms, but there's a few other from other languages as well. The main point from this one is that our non binary and our trans masculine participants were more likely to be younger and our trans feminine participants on the [00:10:30] average mix. They were more likely to be a little bit older. So, you know, and these were the, um, we had we grouped people into these three groups because for some of the gender affirming care, the questions, you know, we want to know the differences between, um, trans masculine transfeminine people most of the time we we. So we can also divide the non binary people it's about. I think it's about three quarters of the non binary people were assigned [00:11:00] female at birth. So our community who answered this is more assigned female at than assigned male at birth. With that, um, we don't know if that's the mix or whether that's the people we were able to reach. Um, but it was harder to reach people who had transitioned a long time ago. But there are also people who transitioned a long time ago who filled it out. So this mix does kind of seem very similar to some surveys from Australia [00:11:30] and the US in recent times. Um, we can break it down more, but you can just see, you know, the There were very few of the age groups. Our youth are 14 to 24. Unless then, our older people are people like me, age 55 plus So there's there's not that many of us at all and A and a big chunk then also in that middle group. If anyone's got any questions as we go and just, you know, shout out and or we can do some at the end. So I already mentioned the disability [00:12:00] data, and, um, this is the interesting one, but not in this measure about disability. There's six things that get measured, and we were the only one that and people got counted. If they have, um, cannot do or have a lot of difficulty with any of these six things, and we were higher for all of those except for hearing. And I think that, um, probably is partly because, um, our our group is younger and a lot of [00:12:30] people who would take that might be age related hearing impairments. We were much bigger on a couple of them and the one that was the biggest was, um, reporting a lot of difficulty or could not concentrate or remember. And we've talked to a couple of different activists, and people wonder whether that's actually related to the stress on our psychological distress on our communities. Because unfortunately, this measure of disability doesn't differentiate between whether it's something that you [00:13:00] have always had or is likely to continue to have for the rest of your life, or that something that may be happening to you at this particular point in time. But really, you know, 18% of our participants said that they have a a lot of difficulty or could not concentrate or remember, and that's compared to 2% in the overall population. Now I'm not going to go into so much detail on all the slides because this was for a much bigger presentation, and I don't want to bore you. And maybe [00:13:30] if you want to talk more about activism and action and all the results but all of the types of gender of care, we ask you questions about all of them, and there's huge levels of unmet need for all of them. The the one where there was the least unmet need. You know that people wanted something but couldn't get it. That was access to home loans. And that's because, um, partly because of the cost that once you get on to them that they are cheaper compared to anything else we're trying to get. But, um, [00:14:00] but still, almost 20% of people wanted to get on hormone treatment and couldn't. And, um, and the biggest one was, um, chest reconstruction surgery. And the reason why that was the biggest level of unmet need is because I think it was 99% of trans people assigned female at birth who answer the survey wanted chest reconstruction surgery. But it was a really high proportion. Wanted it, and lots can't get it. So we've got a huge [00:14:30] proportion of unmet need. Um, for trans women, the biggest one, was an unmet need for voice therapy and for lower surgery. Feminising genital surgery cost for all of them was the biggest barrier and hardly any. The only ones that any decent amount of people had ever been able to have been able to get it through the public health system was hormones counselling, support and mental health assessment. Everything else, um, were much much, um, very [00:15:00] unlikely that people had received through the public health system. And even for things like that, people who wanted us didn't know how to get it in terms of, like, things like counselling these images. So, you know, those first images showed people talking and saying, Please fill out the survey when we came to and sometimes they were, like, you know, quite, um, passionate ones about the things that need to change. And then we wanted to have some uplifting images in the final report. So we asked, um [00:15:30] just to imagine that the that we had things the way we wanted. So this is someone turning up somewhere, and we've got our posters on the wall, and it kind of feels like it's a little bit more welcoming. So, um, that's that image. And, um and you know, the the quotes are around things like the cost of hair removal places where it's just impossible to get access to anything that's about to change. In Christchurch, they had a wonderful mix of [00:16:00] health professionals in the community coming together, and it's going to be announced before the end of the year that they've actually got some trans health pathways. Ironically, maybe some of the other pathways in the in the country. We're struggling to keep open, but you know, they've got ones happening in Christchurch and and then people talking about the really positive things of getting on to. So for each year we had recommendations and we didn't make up the recommendations. We went and looked at things that other people had already been and other documents. And so this is actually we [00:16:30] just need real informed consent models. We need to be able to get access to all types of gender affirming care training for people and also really specifically that we need, um, Maori and Pacifica, um, models of of of services available. And this was one of the examples of you know, this person is holding out how to access gender affirming care in your region. You know, that's the wish that in every part of the country you go somewhere they probably wouldn't give it to [00:17:00] you On paper, they probably give you the link, but it's kind of hard to draw a link online and in an image, but but That's the hope that we need that. But currently, most parts of the country clinicians can't even find where I need to refer people to let alone people in the in the community. And I know you've just announced stuff here really recently, which is great. Um, so this one, this one, You know that the gaps in what health providers know And, um, [00:17:30] this one about 13% of participants have been asked, um, unnecessary or invasive questions. And I love that. When I was at a conference yesterday that, um, Kate and Molly came to like already. When you're there, people are using the data like that's what it's here for. Please use these this stuff. Um, if you want to make sure you've got the prettiest graphs if you wanna go online because there's a few that we've tweaked since they were in the report. But yes, please use the data. Take it places. [00:18:00] Um, you know, people not going to access care because they worried that they would be, um, treated with disrespect. Um, and that was, um, 20% in the past 12 months, Hadn't gone. And so then it was about, you know, training for for all types of, um, health professionals. And we we specifically put residential care facilities there. We did have a few people in aged care facilities [00:18:30] who filled out the survey, but we also identified is a group that's going to get bigger. And, um, you know, Silver Rainbow in Auckland. That's the group that goes and does training and, um, aged care facilities. Um, when they can get in there, you know, share examples of that. You know, some people, it's maybe a partner has passed. They've now gone into care. Um, maybe that's the first time they can think about transitioning. And so, you know, their organisation actually has had [00:19:00] people approaching them in aged care facilities without wanting to transition. So, um, you know, needing training there as well. And that that was one of those positive ones, you know, finally found a good GP tick. So this is the ones you know, the the data around, um, suicide, psychological distress and violence. So, um, obviously, if anyone just doesn't want, you know, doesn't want to read the list to the staff or watch [00:19:30] it now, you know, there's no worries. Feel free to, you know, to leave or have a break. Pretend you need to put money in a parking metre. Whatever. Come back if you want, but just wanting to give people that chance. Then you've probably seen these because, you know, it's been in the media. This is some of the stuff we emphasised a lot. So, you know, 56% more than half of our community people who the people who answer the survey [00:20:00] had seriously thought about suicide in the last 12 months, and 12% had attempted. So that's not a surprise to our community. But it's still very stark to see it, and, um, and then 37% had ever attempted suicide. And we know, um, that the level of stress on our community and that the impact that has on people's lives we did a particular [00:20:30] the psychological distress. Um, it it's it's a scale, and that measures predominantly around depression and anxiety. And, um, this is the one here, Um, where where people were on this. And, um, our community is the high or very high. These two bottom ones. If you add them together, that's quick math. 71% compared to what it was actually 8% with the rounding for the overall population. [00:21:00] But basically, our community is nine times more likely to experience high or very high psychological distress. And we know that you know about minority stress when you come from a community that's marginalised, isolated, um, has all that stigma and discrimination? This is this is what it looks like. But we've got some other slides around the protective things that make a difference. And there are, you know, things that really do make a difference. And and [00:21:30] and so many of the things that are locating that stress are things that other people should be getting their shit together around, like waiting list when people need to access care and, um, and people affirming and supporting us. And so the recommendations, these ones pretty much came from the, um, rainbow mental health. Uh, you know, the, um, mental health and addiction inquiry. And there was a large lots of community groups filled out a rainbow submission and, you know, they were the experts. [00:22:00] They were the people working in this area. So it's, um, Moira, um, who wrote that submission? They spoke to her recently, and it's 33 words. The first is name us Name our community as a priority. The second one is train train. All those people working in mental health about, um, our community and the support we need And the other one is obviously resourcing resourcing often some of the best initiatives coming from our communities, but resourcing for people working [00:22:30] with our communities and the substance juice from I just my really the only main one was, uh, cannabis use is a bit higher, but I think was, uh was that Oh, no, no. There are some other ones there, actually, you know, just this cannabis one is the biggest one, but the other. So these are, um, used near the following gloves. So actually, they're all a bit higher. The one also, I noticed that Jamie mostly talked about the cannabis [00:23:00] one. We were trying, um, with the quotes in the report. Um, we haven't put a judgmental thing about people's use. So someone there saying use helps significantly with my anxiety. So, um, but there was a bit more. There's more data that people working in that area would like to look at it quite a lot about people, actually, positively saying that when they transitioned, um, that was actually when they kind of sat down and got support [00:23:30] and talked to other people around alcohol and drug issues. So So for some people, transition was, um, kind of a very much linked in, and those two journeys were very linked schools. So we already know from, um, the youth 12 survey. We already knew data about young people, and our data pretty much is very similar to the youth. 12 normally a little bit worse, but but pretty much much the same that [00:24:00] the really high rates of bullying against, um, our community. So this was our was 21% to be bullied at school at least once a week, and the youth 12 data showed 19%. And that's compared to the year 12 measured for cisgender secondary school students, it was only 5% and we had 93 secondary school students. It's almost exactly the same pretty much around the same numbers as youth. 12. Um, their data is from as well. [00:24:30] It's interesting that our students are predominantly non non binary or trans, very few identified as, um as trans woman or as Trans Femine and most identified as as those other two words and lots of other words as well and the positive support you can get from a councillor and really, really, um, concerning story about, um, sharing of photos of of her genitalia and, um, [00:25:00] in in a at a school trip. And actually, that's one of the areas of bullying that was particularly experienced by Trans Woman was cyber bullying. So I don't know if I've got that that statistic here. But that was a difference for for trans Trans woman. And there are, you know, there were positive examples of what's happening at school, but it's, um, it seems quite sporadic or people saying we used to have a group. It's not, you [00:25:30] know, like it's it shows, You know, there's still a lot to happen. A lot needs to happen in schools, but people did give positive examples, too. Um, and then, once again, we looked at all the groups that have been doing work in schools and mirrored their their, um, their things around. Comprehensive sexuality and gender diversity education have ramo diversity groups address bullying the inclusive policies and practises and making sure they deal with things you know, some [00:26:00] of which are under attack at the moment. Like the stuff about single sex schools, you know, people's right to attend single sex schools, um, ability to access, whether it's a bathroom based on the agenda or a gender neutral one and changing rooms. So you know that are the areas where we need more guidance and one of the really nice things being in Christchurch last week, where we talked about that, you know, there were people there who talked about I don't know if you've seen in the media Christ College, as you know, supported [00:26:30] very, you know, traditional boys only schools supporting, um, a trans girl to to transition there. Yeah, um, the main thing that we said about sport is that really it's a health issue, too. All the media stuff has has been around, you know, trying to police trans women participating in sport. But people haven't been focusing so much on the issues around All of our all for all genders that we looked at, [00:27:00] you know, people were less likely to participate in sport, and it's a real health and well-being issue. There weren't many positive examples of sport. There were a couple, um, people who'd been supported when their teammates and the, um, the club had supported them when someone else had complained. But mostly it was the difficulties in sport. So the discrimination 12 3rd had experienced discrimination at some point in their lives. Or, um, [00:27:30] and if you had experienced discrimination, you were twice as likely to have attempted suicide in in the last year. So that's, um, we pulled out that data to show that you know clearly the link between minority stress, you know, discrimination and the impacts on our health and suicide attempts. Um, and lots of people didn't disclose at work 6 to 57%. They worried about being discriminated against, and they didn't tell other people at work that they were trans or non. [00:28:00] And so this one, this recommendation was like we all know, like trans and non-binary, people are protected under the ground of sex and the Human Rights Act, but it doesn't explicitly say gender identity or gender expression. It's important to have that, but we also need resources. So if you do get shit at school at work in any other environment, you can actually say, Look, there's this material that says You can't do that like if If the government's going to say we're already covered, we'll put some [00:28:30] teeth behind it and some information behind it So it's not up for question. So that's the the the the training and resources, And then we particularly put one there around police because we had some data about people's experiences with police, and so that was one group that particularly needed some training. We did ask people about, um, experiences in prison, but the number of people wasn't large enough for us to be able to break down that data. So I think, yeah, it was [00:29:00] we weren't enough people who were in prison. We tried to get into prison to to get people to fill it out, that we weren't possible to do that. It was hard because it was mostly online and it's really hard. You know, people in prison don't have access to online surveys, but we had other attempts weren't successful. But I, um the safety and violence is the other hard stuff, you know, this is this is a really clunky question, you know? Did someone try to have sex with you against your will since [00:29:30] you were 13. The reason we asked it is because we had some data someone else has asked it and another survey so we could compare us to the overall population. So a third of us, almost 32% someone had had sex with us against our will since we were 13. And that's more than four times the overall population. That figure was higher for trans women. Trans men non-binary all of us. Each of those groups have experienced that type of rape [00:30:00] and abuse more than whoops than women overall in the population or men overall in the population. And and if you had experienced that, you were twice as likely to have attempted suicide in the past year than people who didn't report that, so it's like these are the things that need to be addressed, you know, discrimination, violence against our communities, to be able to protect us and our health and our well being. And this one here about [00:30:30] you know, someone who's 14 years and had nowhere to go, it was there was no place within their school to be able to talk about an abusive relationship. And they said, surprisingly, only got those answers when I approached my local youth group, not ideal, that I had to join a church to get sex education. So that's to get information about what is abuse and what isn't, and and people's concerns about whether, as a non-binary person, they would be able to access a rape [00:31:00] crisis centre so that the need for, you know, clearly inclusive services. And, you know, that's again. It's actually having the services that recognise our specific experiences and also training and guidance for all agencies and some wonderful things. Like people from, um, help in Auckland came to our launch in Auckland like there are, um, you know, people working in the sector who are really keen to work and support [00:31:30] our communities, the identity documents, Um, hardly any of us have got the our our correct agenda on our birth certificate. 83% of us haven't so That was, you know, important one that we've you know, we've conveyed to the you know, the minister who's looking at changing birth certificates, and so we just, you know, clearly stood in support of the campaigns and the community. [00:32:00] There's someone filling out submission, um, around the bell. And, um, and the need to provide a non binary. You know, the biggest group in our community are non-binary people, and we have no non-binary option on birth certificate. So the need for non binary gender marker option accessible administrative process based on self declaration. We've also got this one about the recommendation about trans and non-binary refugees and asylum seekers. We had, [00:32:30] um, people who are refugees and asylum seekers who filled out our survey and that recommendations come from it's already been made in other spaces. You can't change your name in New Zealand unless you're a permanent resident. And, um, you can't change your gender on any document until your refugee came has been accepted. So and most many people who come here seeking asylum will never be able to change documents in the country they come from. Yeah, [00:33:00] the material hardship one. There's there's two other measures on this that, um, these are the four main ones. But on all of the measures of material hardship, there was a lot more material hardship, um, in our community. So this is this is measured in the general social survey So in the last 12 months have you done any of any of the following things to keep costs down? And, um and we had done things like, you know, cut back on trips to go to the shops or local [00:33:30] places, repairing things, putting up with feeling cold, gone without fresh fruit or vegetables. So those are questions. They are used to measure material hardship, and the group that was the most likely to experience that was people with disabilities. So amongst our in our communities and family farm, um, a positive one. If people are told that, um, someone in their family that they were, um, trans or non-binary more than half [00:34:00] said 57%. That said that most all of the people they told were supportive. So, um, and if you are supported by at least half of your family or you are almost half as likely to have attempted suicide in the last 12 months, so that means you know, that family support is a protective factor for us. And, um, and there was, [00:34:30] you know, people's experiences have been totally cut off from family through to, um, people who found a place for themselves. and their family. Um, I like this one. I just remembering. Now I need to be reading things out for the audio, so I'll read this one out. My pronouns and gender identity don't translate well into my cultural world. So when talking about my pronouns, it can get tricky. But I found a peace within myself around that, and I'm OK with it. And and [00:35:00] other people, you know, cut off. Did I put I'll just see whether I didn't put it here, but oh, God, I just quite a lot of us appear. So I like that. And and the the section on that, I'll just find it. And the other bit was, um quite a lot want kids as well, So I have to take my glasses off to read that, uh, mhm do do do do. [00:35:30] Oh, yes. Almost one in five people. 19% on a start with the ones do. I can't find the one that says how many are parents, but 4% had been pregnant since identifying as trans or non binary. Um oh, yes. One in six people were [00:36:00] were parents, 16% and 90 almost one in 5 19% of people were definitely like a child or more Children. And the thing that was really interesting is that Maori were much more likely. So almost a third of our Maori participants were definitely like a child or more Children. So, um, yeah, it was one of the things that I know. Um, people from the project were interested in cultural connectedness, um, or community connectedness. [00:36:30] So I am proud to be trans or non-binary person. We had a third of us strongly agreed with that, and another 29 somewhat agreed. That's over half of people, to some extent, agreed with. I am proud to be trans or non-binary person, and I think it's really important. We say that because I was in a presentation morning where someone, a health professional who's really supportive generally said, um, no one chooses to be Trans. [00:37:00] And why would you choose to be Trans when you look at all of this? These negative statistics and I think, um, well, that's the experience of some people that it doesn't feel like a a choice to them. It feels like, you know, born this way for some other people, there's a very active actually I grab this and I run with it, and I'm really, really happy about it. And I'm proud. So there's There's a mix of things there, so I think whilst saying that some of this [00:37:30] just feels like it. It just it's there. It's who you are. I don't think we have to deny the pride that we have, either individually or in our community. So, um and and you know, we're a community under stress, but we're doing a hell of a lot of support for each other. 58% provided a lot of support for other Trans or non-binary people, and almost the same felt connected to others. And I know that the people who felt connected are more likely to see the survey. But I still [00:38:00] think, you know, it's it's positive to see that, Um, or here's a Wellington one. Yeah, if you're very connected to the trans community in Wellington through volunteer work, maybe that's at the op shop. It's important to me that young trans folk never have to deal with any of the internalised issues that held me back from coming out for so long. Um, then harder for someone in a small town. I don't really get to meet other queer people, let alone trans or envy people. It's a bit is isolating [00:38:30] and people really valuing that there are other people that are very visible and also that comment. I'm so tired, and I understand that one. That's probably why I lost my mobile phone today. So these are some of the, um, differences. I think I've gone through some of those. The higher rates of mental health, um, issues for young and disabled participants, um, disabled people. Also, higher rates of discrimination, violence and hardship non binary were less likely [00:39:00] to to report positive experiences with with no accessing health care. Often, there was a real real, um um concerns about being not being understood, not being believed, Um, you know, by by health professionals, um, and trans men and not and Trans Women were more likely to say that, you know, since identify as trans quality of life had improved, that was less common with with non-binary people. I think [00:39:30] I I've talked about Asian and Pacific participants, and when we looked at everyone who who wasn't European, everyone who wasn't if if the typo, if If you had a strong sense of belonging to your ethnic group. You are less likely to have considered suicide in the last 12 months. So this this is the beginning of us starting to look at some of the data about connection to culture and how that that that supports people's health. And we're about [00:40:00] to do, do some work gonna next week. We're spending half a day in a, um with on a project to sit down and look at the data they've collected about, um, and cultural connectedness and and material we've got and see if together it can support. They can support each other and and painting a picture. And this is like resource US resource peer support and other well-being initiatives that are led by our communities [00:40:30] and including those developed by disabled people, Maori and Pacifica, peoples, Asian and other ethnic minorities and refugees and asylum seekers. So the people doing the work within particular parts of our community that that's where we need to get the resources and this image has got a trans flag at the back and a picture of lots of different trans and non-binary people and maybe some of their family who knows, um, of different ages and ethnicities and [00:41:00] that wonderful poster of the background Trans people have always existed. So that was that was us. Um, you know, our project team. I'm trying to see who they all of us are based in or in or in, um, Auckland. Some of you know, Tommy, because he lived here for a long time. Tommy provided lots of safety and support. We, you know, we had a little phone that I carried in case [00:41:30] the people. There was a number on the survey that people could ring us at any point in time. We didn't have a big budget, so it was the cheapest phone we can at the and it was, um, really hard to use, but I think I only ever got two calls on it. But we had it there as a as a as a backdrop. And, um, and he was there for support around how we phrased the questions. So I said B and, um, Tai was as well as he's based here in Wellington. B, Tai, um, [00:42:00] and and all here from Wellington on the community group. Um, Karen's name is listed there. This gender ally who did that? Um, editing of the report and put lots and lots of time into that. And, um yeah, thank you to anyone who sent us comments about how we can sort of make the questionnaire better. Um, and you can get a hold I've got like, [00:42:30] I think about Is this the end of your ones? Um, the ones out here. So there you've got a couple like two here that are left from your box that you had and I've got about, um I think I've got about 10, maybe 12 copies of the report and particularly, we want them to go to people and organisations who can use them. But, um, you can also find it online. And, um, I've got a hand up page the question, [00:43:00] but I can't remember. Um, Did you What? Sexual orientation in the survey as well, Because I could imagine that would be another area. Some people. Yeah, we've got the sex orientation data. It's just gonna We're gonna need to do more analysis of it, because we didn't just ask people. Um, we asked people all of the people that they were attracted to So it's a sexual attraction question [00:43:30] mostly. And, um so it's not as simple because we just thought Partly we asked it that way because we knew from other surveys and other things that we've done that often you would get. For example, a Trans woman who has who identifies the gender as female has identifies that that that she has sex with men and writes down her sexual orientation as gay [00:44:00] in other surveys. And we've had. So we just thought if we just we wanted to get more into the the mix of it. So, yes, we've got data, but it's quite complex that we haven't analysed yet. But we also got heaps of data. We asked people, um, has your sex life changed in any way since you identified as Trans or Non-binary? And then it's really interesting in terms of people's relationship to their bodies, both the hard stuff and the really good [00:44:30] stuff. Um uh, quite a few Trans, you know, some trans people saying having a relationship with another trans person is one of the most affirming things they've had, um, and that to be seen as fully as who you are, whoever it's by is the best sexual experiences that they ever had. Um and then also the stuff about the how the you know the impact of discrimination on you know, for some people, it made it harder to to find partners. Um, [00:45:00] so it's complex. It was a so so that's more about partners. That's more about sex and sexual behaviour. And we've got a lot of data about sexual attraction. But I can't tell you how many right off the top of my head now identified as a different label because we just kind of thought that was too simplistic to explain it. So we've got more work, and I guess that introduces me to. The other thing is that we've got lots more data. We'd love people in the community who want to help us analyse some [00:45:30] of that data. Well, you write it up, we've got the data, we can analyse it. But then people are saying, Well, what does this mean? And whether that's gonna be, uh, um, academic articles for people who are into doing that or whether it's going to be creating community resources like I already I talked to states about what's the first disability resource we create you know, I'm getting together a group of people to talk about doing that. We haven't got much funding. Our funding is pretty much, um, drying up now, But we've [00:46:00] got a commitment to keep doing the work, and we're going to keep trying to find funding so that at least we can keep, um, coordinating people to write things. And it's been great that people have created infographics already with stuff and are and are using it. But anyone else? Yeah, continuing that. One of the reasons why I asked that was the complexity of identifying mental health and addiction service needs because the research that Frank Peer, um and others did showed that by and pan communities [00:46:30] have higher depression, mental health and addiction abuse issues than either gay or straight community. So when you pile on top of that, the gender identity issues that you're going to have a really complex set of needs, and I think we just know whatever the sexual orientation of people at our community, those rates are extraordinarily high exorbitantly, you know, they, you know, really worrying concerning [00:47:00] and need attention. And then we could drill down more below that. But you know some of those particular things that are stressed are ones that trans people will experience. And non-binary people, particularly those trying to access gender affirming care, are going to, you know, those those are specific to not being able to get the health care that people are wanting. Is there anyone else who had any questions? The, um So the survey didn't focus specifically on something known as sex? [00:47:30] No, no, because that definitely would be something worth studying, because I'm pretty sure there's a large proportion that use P quite regularly. Unfortunately, Yeah, and it's based around them having sex while that whole particular side of it is quite different. Yeah, So I think we have got P as one of the as the people's use of it as they [00:48:00] see it. But yeah, so and I guess the only thing I could say is that for any of the questions we can compare, you know how people are answered one question with how they answered another one so we could see it for people who are more likely to have answered that whether there were the other. But the numbers are relatively small, so I don't know how much we would be able to tell. But that's the other thing we can do. We can, you know, compare to There's lots more ways we can compare [00:48:30] the data that we haven't done yet. Um, yeah, and and I guess it's just the final. But I'd say is really we want you to use want to use as an activist tool. We can use the data about, um, legal gender recognition just to show actually, heaps heaps of people are non-binary. We don't actually have that option at the moment. So no matter what you do to change the current process, it's not gonna be good enough for the for a huge proportion of our of [00:49:00] our community to identify as non binary. Um, we can use it to show just how much people are needing to access gender afferent care. And that's not been provided in the local DH B. We can yeah, about the sounds that you guys, you said you've got a lot more data that could be analysed and put together in certain ways. I'm wondering at this stage and your opinion whether it would be, um, better to I imagine it might be better to really all the data that you've got [00:49:30] to get the most out of it. But I'm also wondering how you thought it would be if there were smaller studies done or regional stuff done to build a look around, I guess. OK, so what's your opinion about the bye? And then other people like, uh, he might have thoughts on this as too, I think, you know, like for ages. We we had our stories, you know? You know, you wish that change happened [00:50:00] from sharing the personal stories, but, you know, numbers does have impact as well. So this was about getting numbers and then because we had an open boxes where people could share things and some people wrote heaps. So we've actually got stories there as well. I think we've got enough evidence now. I think it's actually about using it to bring about action. So even the bit about writing academic articles for that us. That's about action, because some health professionals, if we want to change [00:50:30] their behaviours, we have to get things published in medical journals. But if we want action on disability issues, for example, well, maybe the first priority is to get some of the resources available in an accessible form that people in the community will use. You know, like it's whatever the action is, we change is needed. What is the most important thing? But I personally, you know we can. There's always lots of questions, like the one you raised, you know, there's lots more we could ask, but there's enough. You know, there's such [00:51:00] a long list of things we need to action already. I think we've got enough data. If you can't find it in the report, you wonder if there's something just email us and we'll tell you if there is or not. But, um, I I'm really keen to hear what the activism people are working on and what sort of, um, because we asked people that before, What data do you need for your activism? That's why we had such a long survey. But now, then, you know, if you're working on something, you need a few statistics for a submission. [00:51:30] You know, I should know this the report quite well. I feel free to email me and say, Which pages do I find that on? Or there's people in this room you know who are doing that already? I think gender minorities could probably tell you it's on this page or that page. Um, I don't know. What do you think are here? You know, where Where do you think we are at that balance of needing more data, more surveys and action? Yeah, I guess there's always, um, more to know. Definitely. Uh, and, [00:52:00] yeah, there's always more questions that we could have more things about. And I think that there's like you said, There's heaps to work with here, So it's really cool. And I guess that people, the tricky thing is that, like it, it takes so much time to go. You know, I guess it's a huge process to get a simple like, whether it is a housing for just the larger region, Um, about like, precarious housing of a lot of [00:52:30] things. But, um, it's like a 25. It took us so much time in, and it's not perfect. So it's kind of, um I think the real important thing is that if you're gonna do the research projects to do them really really well, so you get little data that's very useful. And you don't waste people's in the the stories about about their lives. Especially if you're asking them. Of course. So, um, yeah, I think you know, more research is always good. [00:53:00] And also, some of the research could be really linked to actions like, um, you know, finding out whether the service that the groups that we're running nowadays Are they meeting the needs of all of our communities? Or, um, I was at a, um Who was the I was at a meeting on Friday morning where someone was reporting the results of data they collected around the experiences [00:53:30] of rainbow, um, ethnic communities. Is it just in Auckland, or is it all around the country? Camille's research and, um, they've got one lots of lots of material. I think it's mostly in Auckland. They still need funding to be able to do their transcripts. And, um and some of that's about, you know, people don't go and use some of the services we already have. So maybe that's some of the stuff we do. How to improve what we've what we've already [00:54:00] got. And, um, yeah, you know, So I think I think we I think we've got the data I. I think we need to be a bit I. I would love to find ways that we stay more coordinated with each other around the country. Like these opportunities you You've finally got your, um what are they called your Your your health pathway for gender affirming care is finally online here in Wellington. Is that is that true? Or so you put something on Facebook this week? [00:54:30] Yeah, um, but, you know, some of the best practise is, you know, when the Canterbury ones come up, which before the end of the year, they have done it in a way that you don't need to have been on hormones to access chest reconstruction surgery first one in the country that's gonna be on that. And that's [00:55:00] huge for non binary people. Let's you know, they just because they've got a pathway that says that we all know know that sometimes those pathways lead to shut doors or a door that's open for a little bit of time, and then it gets shut because there's no surgeon anymore. So I think if we're more coordinated and we can share what people have been able to achieve, and in each part of the country. Um, then we can, you know, stand by each other. I'm just so proud of how we dealt with yesterday, you [00:55:30] know, like it was, you know, and the fact that you organised this and you've had way more people through here today. You organised this. You've had way more people here today than people of a diverse range of ages and ethnicities and genders than who happened to go and listen to a very highly resourced meeting down the other end of town yesterday. [00:56:00] You know, we coordinated. They tried really hard to get a trans person on nation, and we always said no, like that level of coordination amongst the community where some people would probably quite like to be on DV. We all still said no, you know, like we do. We're doing really well. I think on our activism. Um, and it's hard. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I don't know any other questions. At the end of the day, some of you have been here [00:56:30] selling soaps or zines or bunting or whatever else all day, so I don't want to keep people, but, you know, I'd love us to be Co. You know, find ways to stay more coordinated and, um, find out how I love it. That would be great. People tell us when. Even simple as tell us if you use the stats and anything and presentations, maybe I'll see if we can put up on our website somewhere where people can a form that people can quickly send and tell us that they've done [00:57:00] that, Um, they are being used a lot around the country. Yeah. Um, if you haven't already seen Pacifica Television programme which did the Pacific Awards, it was on television this morning. It'll be online. At least two of the people who got awards were from the gender diverse communities and everybody was clapping. So, um was one of the people who won awards [00:57:30] and somebody for and it was like everybody was supportive and there were sort of bits of their stories. And the reach of that type of thing within the Pacific communities is way bigger than any of these negativities that we're getting. It's just like, you know, um, So I think you know, the more stories that are positive, that the better it is for everybody speaks to the the Pacific activists I know are doing, You know, we see them in our community coming to our events, [00:58:00] you know, which are their events as well. But they're also doing so much within their own community around, um, language or around, Um um, fundraising or, um and I think for some of I don't know, I just Yeah, how do we create those space? Because we're so busy creating the spaces for our community stuff to happen. How do we create the spaces where those people [00:58:30] who support us can be there with us, But we're leading that space. And that's what I think this is. This is a trans and binary led space. Whatever words you used for that and it's a space where allies can come into. And I think we could do with a few. We don't really have that so much in Auckland. Um, I think you do some some things remarkably well here for a lot [00:59:00] of people. 25 and, um, we actually brought back and me my clothes up with, um Alex. Um, thanks for coming. I'm Alex. This is Molly and Chase. And we're [00:59:30] on the, um, gender minorities youth team. um, and this is also Harry from the Newtown Community Centre. He's done a lot to, um, support this event, um, physically happening and obviously a he from gender minorities as well. Um, so this is the first event that we've ever put on like this. It's the first kind of, like, formation of gender minorities out our youth team as a sort of thing. And, um, we've been really surprised, to be honest, but very heart warmed at, like the success of this event, the positive reception we've had from, um, both the trans community and allies that have kind of made it come together. [01:00:00] Um, so I just wanted to do a couple of thank yous, Um, so, firstly, thank you to Harry and everyone at the Newtown Community and Cultural Centre for kind of hosting us and making giving us the opportunity to have this because yeah, as I say, like, most of us are just hiding in the little den auntie donnas most of the time. So it's nice to kind of like, get out into the community. Um, thank you to all the stallholder, um, for giving their time, um, to support this great event. some of them have left, and some of them are still here. Um, thank you to a and the MA for [01:00:30] giving us the support and encouragement to put something like this on. I think it's kind of given us a space to kind of bring together as people and as friends. Um, I like to say thank you to Jack. Obviously, he just spoke, and everyone accounting ourselves for doing such vital work for our community. And we're very, like, honoured to be able to give them the space to kind of like, promote that and discuss the implications for it and obviously engage with the community responses here today and just a general thank you to everyone that's attended both presently and earlier. Supporting your [01:01:00] trans youth means so much to us. It means as activists, but also as just people as part of this community that, you know, can feel quite neglected and marginalised knowing that there is such a positive reception. Um, to us and our work and our creations is really, really valuable. Um, so, yeah, Thank you to everyone. Um, Hope you have a good evening and get home safe.
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